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    I thought I would post this, for obvious reasons - though I do apologize for the length.

    http://www.mamamia.com.au/relationsh...eyre-bollocks/

    I believe as a heterosexual person it is my duty to stand up and say, “I’m secure enough in myself or my relationship not to be threatened by the definition of marriage becoming a little more inclusive of other loving couples.”

    Media professional, Rick Morton is gay and he is also an outstanding writer. Today he rebuffs the most comment arguments about gay marriage when he writes.

    So to help those who feel like they need to keep peddling the marriage-go-round of mistruths, I have compiled this Stupendous Compendium of Anti Gay Marriage Arguments (and why they’re wrong).

    You’re welcome.


    It’s about religion.
    No, it isn’t. Going to church is about religion. Loving thy neighbour is about religion. Marriage is a secular contract presided over by Government. Like taxes. Atheists get married. Religious people get married. Some churches won’t marry inter-racial couples, or previously divorced couples. They’re welcome to. That’s their right. But that doesn’t preclude these people from marriage altogether. Because it’s secular.

    Legalising gay marriage only affects a small number of people, why bother?
    There are two flaws with this. If we’d followed this logic then we would have had no black civil rights movement. And asking ‘why bother’ about a human rights imbalance is a little like ignoring the service station when your car is on fire and your face is melting. Tis merely a flesh wound, come back and I’ll bite your knee caps off! The ‘only them’ argument has consistently been shown, throughout history, to be reprehensible. We cannot afford to stand by while ‘only them’ becomes a chorus of our own inability to act. One day, and this is the lesson we still haven’t learned, ‘only them’ could become ‘only you’. It’s a lonely outpost. Would they care to make the same argument about disability funding?

    It’s about procreation.
    Then you might also want to ban marriages that take place later in life, beyond a couple’s child bearing years. Or you might consider banning marriage for heterosexual couples who don’t want children. Families are about procreation or adoption or surrogacy. Marriage is about love between two individuals. The idea that we must procreate to protect the human race was spawned, forgive the pun, during a time when sabre toothed tigers were an actual health threat and actual health care consisted of medicinal screaming. So yes, prolific bonking used to be a shared duty. The times have changed, somewhat.

    We have more important problems to deal with!
    This is disingenuous. Yes, I will help you with your civil rights movement but really, this trash isn’t going to take itself out. This is a familiar refrain. We have to fix health care! We have to fix the welfare system! And we do, we do. But if Government’s cannot multi-task, especially to instate a basic right of equality, then we are all in a little bit of trouble. And if you forever want to put gay marriage on the backburner, because the country has had a sudden need to legislate invisible cigarette packages, then we’ve successfully woven a beautiful too-hard-basket that would look simply delightful as the centrepiece on a hardwood table, fit for a gay.

    Homosexuality is against the natural order!
    And so are those farm animal ornaments with slinkies for legs. But they’re still in our homes. Truth be known – and science can be a wonderful master – homosexuality occurs quite often in nature. If you’ve never seen a pair of male dolphins doing miraculous things with their blowholes, you haven’t been watching enough SBS. Christian and philosopher Thomas Aquinas was a bit of a fan of looking to nature for validation of humanity’s own habits, which might explain the brief fad in the early days of raising our young in a burrow. There are actually some animals that spontaneously change sex from male to female and vice versa, so relying on the ‘natural order’ of things is rather a bit misleading.

    Homosexuality is a choice. They made their gay bed, let them lie in it.
    There is only one group of people capable of answering the question of choice and homosexuals. They are The Gays. I happen to be one of these. I was born this way. I like men the same way you know you like the opposite sex. Nobody taught you to. You just do. You’re hardwired and so am I. The implication that gay kids, a larger proportion of whom commit suicide because of horrendous bullying and identity issues, would choose to endure the torture of their childhoods is insulting. It’s insulting and you have no authority to tell us you know better. Because unless you’re gay, you don’t.

    It’s a slippery slope. Just wait until The Gays can marry their brothers. Who are also animals.
    Consent. Repeat after me. Animals cannot provide consent and beastiality is an avenue where consent cannot be provided in a ‘loving’ relationship. Unless you’re donkey has a Speak ‘n’ Say, there is no consent. And there are medical reasons why incest is frowned upon. But there is no decent, scientific, medical or moral reason why two loving, consenting, non-related adults should not be afforded the same rights as the majority.

    It’s about morality, man. Think of morality, won’t you?
    Two words. Las Vegas. Shotgun weddings that last 43 minutes aren’t really the pinnacle of morality. Nor are they sacred, for that matter. It’s only a slight affront that a heterosexual couple jacked up on cocaine and the better part of an entire bar can slur ‘I do’ with the full support of the law. That The Gays are forced to settle for ‘I Would’, even while measured against this same impressive yardstick, is simply unintelligible. Nothing is more moral, one would have thought, than a couple willing to devote themselves to each other for the rest of their lives. And this is true in the eyes of the law if you have both a penis and a vagina. You must have one of each between you lest you be cursed forever more to de facto relationships and cloudy legal rights in your old age. Morality indeed.

    I totally agree, but let’s not call it marriage. Let them have civil unions!
    Ahem. Let them eat cake? Those who adopt this argument can be the most frustrating as this is the one that glosses over the exact issue at stake here. This isn’t about every gay wanting to marry. This isn’t about the words themselves. It’s about what the options are and who has access to them. Apartheid South Africa had a water fountain for blacks and water fountains for whites. Essentially, nobody is missing out except that they’re both lapping at an entrenched division made possible by discrimination. Call it whatever you want. Call it Skiddlepop, if you must, but give it to everybody. If one doesn’t, then discrimination continues. Refusing to amend the marriage act is tantamount to saying The Gays are not worthy of the institution. And blacks aren’t worthy of the same drinking fountains, nor women the vote. Oh, history, it’s like an embarrassing echo.

    I like gay people, but I don’t think they should be allowed to marry.
    Let me guess, you also have lots of gay friends? And I have a hat made from kitten whiskers. You might like them – everyone has that token gay guy who hogs the karaoke machine at company functions and they’re a right hoot, I’m sure – but you don’t respect them. And respect is really what we’re after here.

    But the Marriage Act clearly says it is between a Man and Woman!
    Stop shouting. Yes, it does. Unfortunately that Act wasn’t amended by scholars in the 4th Century. It was amended by John Howard. In 2004. It was a deliberate move to exclude and it didn’t take long to execute. Amending the Act would be simple and absolutely no impediment to the debate whatsoever.

    Well, here’s my analogy about a soccer player joining an AFL Game and wanting the rules changed.
    Except the soccer player did choose to be a soccer player. And AFL isn’t the only game in town. And then all the men shower together at the end anyway. Hang on.

    But, why should The Gays get special treatment?
    If by special, you mean unequal. The Gays don’t want more than what the straights have. We want the same. Which is ironic, because that’s what homo means.

    But if we let The Gays marry, I might turn gay.
    No, you won’t. Honest. We’ll even promise to stop casting spells on your testosterone or oestrogen. Promise. It’s actually scientifically proven that touching a gay, or hearing about a gay wedding will have absolutely no bearing on your life whatsoever. Some very brave scientists risked homosexuality to empirically test this hypothesis, so best you show them some respect.

    But a gay wedding would ruin my heterosexual marriage!
    False. Unless a gay couple in the middle of their nuptials literally fell on top of your wedding ceremony, this is not going to happen. And I think you’ll agree that is a very unlikely course of events. Unless we all of a sudden legalise gay air weddings, which is just plain dangerous.

    But if we let them marry, then they’ll have kids and we’ll end up with a gay society.
    This one is simple. I am gay. My parents are not. Work it out.

    Just because.
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    Actually there is an issue when talking about gay marriage, but it comes down to Common Law marriage. Now with that said, most Common Law Marriages can be repealed, and are set to a time period where most folks living together that long are in a relationship. Roomies don't stay roomies for over 5-6 years. But with in lies the only real issue of Gay Marriage under an actual legal principle.

    Now, does anyone else have an actual legal reason that these people can't be joined in matrimony and not some religious, zealot, and bigitrous ideal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RescueCat View Post
    I actually thought Sakurakiss was a decent person :/

    I am in love with someone MALE. I kiss someone MALE. I'm marrying someone MALE. I share a bed with someone MALE. I'm going to have kids with someone MALE. I have a pet with someone MALE. I cook dinner for someone MALE. I cuddle someone MALE.

    I don't care if some 2000 year old book says that's wrong. I don't care if a 1 year old book says it's wrong. I don't care if you say it's wrong, because guess what? I LOVE HIM. I have cried just thinking about if he died. I genuinely would not want to live without him. If I had a choice in WHO I loved at all, it probably wouldn't be him. He's annoying, he's childish, he complains so much, but even with all that, I fell in love and I am STILL in love. Nothing will change that. Get over it.
    This post certainly hurt my feelings. I just expressed my opinions and I'm being called indecent? T_T
    I just realized all of you were too smart. too SMART.. I get it. I'm soooo getting over this. I don't want to be involved in such a thing ever. So, this is what I get for fighting for my opinion and all of my personality is judged.?

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    ^

    All of your laws are based on the bible from the beginning?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord View Post
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    All of your laws are based on the bible from the beginning?
    yes, most of it, some of then are what I learned and opinions.

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    Dude, sorry. What I wrote wasn't meant for you.. It was for the person above you, Death Blade xD


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord View Post
    Dude, sorry. What I wrote wasn't meant for you.. It was for the person above you, Death Blade xD
    Oh, Silly me. XD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord View Post
    ^

    All of your laws are based on the bible from the beginning?
    No. Sure one can say that, but it really only goes so far and killing, adultry, and stealing, in which every law has provisions for that. It's like saying a car comes standard with 4 wheels and an engine, of course they do, because it's common sense and they wouldn't function without such. Same as Law. Current laws follow the Babylonian laws more, so to say we based our laws on the bible is only half correct. We just have lighter punishments. I'm only talking about, using, and basing on the current American Laws. Local, State, and Federal. Why I prefer to use the current laws as opposed to ancient ones (Yes Biblical laws count as ancient ones, it may not make sense until you actually view the history of the bible)? Because the current laws are what must be dealt with, ancient laws are for ancient times; and if you're gonna get all uppity about the laws in the bible. I suggest talking to a jew about them, not some Christian. 2 reasons, 1) It's Jewish/Hebrew history, and 2) There was no Christ in the Old Testament where the majority of laws are, and no Christianity until after the death of Christ. Only Judism, so Adam and Eve were Jewish, same with Abraham and Isaac and so on and so forth (You can not find one Christian in the Bible). As the United States of America being a secular country that has no official religion, was not based on religion, but protects many religions and their freedoms, using any religious law would make no sense in this case.
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    What kind of gay person would I be if I didn't support them? I just don't understand how we're not seen as equals by others, what makes you deserve rights more than I?
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    I am against ALL marriages.

    But anyway, I think issues like the breakdown of the nuclear family was looooong established before gay marriage became an issue

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    I support Gay Rights, like @Arbacyk said, What kind of Gay person would i be if i didn't support?

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    I'm all for Gay rights. I mean they are people just like us, only thing that makes them different is... No wait NOTHING makes them different. They love, they feel, they cry just like us. They deserve just as much rights as a straight married couple. I was raised on Christianity but even I learned that it's wrong to keep people from fulfilling their dreams. The only thing I see are scared people, who don't like change and think because it's different that it shouldn't be allowed.

    I could go into more detail on this buuuut i'm just going to keep my mouth shut. I have a best friend who's gay and I feel so bad for him because he's in love with his bf but he knows he might not get to marry him. He's not getting to fulfill his dreams of marrying the person he loves because people are scared and think it's "wrong."

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    Who in their right mind would want to be heterosexual married let alone gay married? O________o

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    The real issue isn't gay rights but gay lefts. We must raise awareness for gay lefts, for without lefts there cannot be rights!


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    I support gay lefts!

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    I'm gay. Of course, I don't like females but I don't dislike females. I find them very-. Nevermind

    but this 'gay' topic needs to relax a bit. It hurts me to see some non-supports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickasaur View Post
    I'm gay. Of course, I don't like females but I don't dislike females. I find them very-. Nevermind

    but this 'gay' topic needs to relax a bit. It hurts me to see some non-supports.
    I'm raising awareness for your lefts. Don't be scared of my breeder capabilites, I got your back bro!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickasaur View Post
    I'm gay. Of course, I don't like females but I don't dislike females. I find them very-. Nevermind
    at least the dudes don't dislike chicks. Most lesbians have some strange unfounded hatred toward all guys. F*** those F****** B****!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleohano View Post
    i'mma stay out of his one...
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    I totally support gays lol short funny storie on yay gay day at my school they passed out bibles. Xd
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jozette Loves Grell View Post
    on yay gay day at my school they passed out bibles. Xd
    I would burn it and start cussing them the f'k out (not a good idea to beat up gays without a good reason. too easy to have it turn into a "hate" crime)! Not for being gay, don't care about that. Not for supporting gay day, don't care about that either. But for handing me a bible. Don't do it. It was funny, once some of those dirty mormon sewer creatures came a-knockin on my door. I just started screaming "Hail Satan!" and proceeded to chase them down the street on their little bikes still screaming as loud as i could. lol ah good times
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    I have a lesbian aunt that lives in america, she's really sweet and her partner is a bit on the feminist side but she doesn't bother me as much.
    yeah give the rights, all the rights...they're basically normal people who just like dating the same gender as they are. I see nothing wrong here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OminousCloud View Post
    I'm raising awareness for your lefts. Don't be scared of my breeder capabilites, I got your back bro!
    Thanks man! Going to work at Panera Bread is a pain in the donkey to deal with the girls there. All they complain about is bullshit this and bullshit that.

    But thanks to all the supporters etc!

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    Lets see, Gays can serve in the Military and die to protect our freedoms. They can serve in Congress and as your local politician. They can do any job, policeman, fireman, doctor, lawyer and all the rest.

    But cause some religious book, that keeps being taken out of context, to make points against gays, is the reason why they can't marry is idiotic.

    They are human beings, no different, they just happen to be attracted to the same sex. So yes they should be able to marry.

    I still remember when the argument against gay marriage, was that humans were the only species on the planet that had gay relations, and that was the reason that was also being used by the religious folks, that it was an abomination. Till of course folks pointed out, that almost all species have gay relations, then of course they jumped on some other reason they cant. Usually misquoting the Bible to prove some idiotic point.

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    Of course I'm for gay rights.
    People are people, no matter their sexual interest.

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    Lady Gaga's "Born This Way" pretty much sums up my opinion. I don't care whom you like or what you like, as long as you're a law-abiding citizen who treats others with respect, you're good in my book Let's see what happens in this November's election. Three states will be voting on the legalization of gay marriage.

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    It was funny, once some of those dirty mormon sewer creatures came a-knockin on my door. I just started screaming "Hail Satan!" and proceeded to chase them down the street on their little bikes still screaming as loud as i could. lol ah good times
    omg that sounds awesome! I wish I have the guts to do something as ridiculous as that lol

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