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    Default France forbids vegetarian and vegan food in the schools


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandsty...ianism-schools

    http://saawinternational.wordpress.c...d-vegan-meals/

    It is banned!

    A governmental order issued on October 2, 2011 has determined that all meals served in school canteens in France must contain animal products, and that meat and fish will be served at a certain minimum frequency. This implies that by law from now on no vegetarian can eat at any public or private school in France.

    * What do you think? Is it okey or just crazy?


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    Default Re: France forbids vegetarian and vegan food in the schools

    that's just insane






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    Default Re: France forbids vegetarian and vegan food in the schools

    Yar, that's silly. To each their own, and all that... If it's not effecting people negatively, or at all - besides those who choose to purchase it - why ban it *shrug*

    It seems a poor choice, considering this is negatively effecting people more than providing vegetarian food would.

    Though I totally approve a no-vegetable approach to life

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    Default Re: France forbids vegetarian and vegan food in the schools

    How stupid. What will the vegan's do? Are they trying to make children go to weight loss camps.
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    Default Re: France forbids vegetarian and vegan food in the schools

    Ahhh those dumb french, now the only real competition with yon Americans for the "Dumbest Government Alive" award...... oh wait we've got that Tory prick in...... i seem to have lost my own argument

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    Default Re: France forbids vegetarian and vegan food in the schools

    I don't know about you, but every school I've been to except my hipster art school of a college didn't really cater to the vegans. If you were vegan you simply did not eat whatever entre with meat/fish was served and choose another option.. It's not like the entire menu has meat etc. in there.. It's not like they are starving anyone..

    .... I mean it's quite impossible to ban someone who is vegan from eating something in the cafe... I can understand not serving tofu but that's as far as I see this going.


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    Default Re: France forbids vegetarian and vegan food in the schools

    It says that by law all the food needs to have animal product in it, though, which as far as I know is against vegan... law. xD. Couldn't think of a better phrasing.

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    Default Re: France forbids vegetarian and vegan food in the schools

    So you're going to put animal product in my salad, cereal, fruit cup, pasta, mac n cheese?

    Looking at the lunch menu this month for my old school. Pretty much every entre is meat related.. Meh.. Bring your on lunch... >.> They can't kick you out for eating a banana and a BP&J sandwich rather than eating chicken nuggets.


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    Default Re: France forbids vegetarian and vegan food in the schools

    What? France forbids vegetables? Thats kind of pointless because vegetables are food. I wonder how much the obesity rate will go up this year.

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    Default Re: France forbids vegetarian and vegan food in the schools

    omg what an unconstitutional government overreach! get the Tea-Partiers, pitch forks, and torches!

    oh wait, this is happening in France, not in the US... silly France, what were you thinking? XD

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnimeFrost View Post
    What? France forbids vegetables? Thats kind of pointless because vegetables are food. I wonder how much the obesity rate will go up this year.
    You won't get obese just because you eat food with meat in it. They didn't ban vegetables over all, they are just serving foods with meat in them (Like a chicken Caesar salad, or maybe steak and veges, which are both OK)

    An this ban was only on the food served, they didn't mention any restrictions on food you bring. People could bring a salad to eat or something and it would save them money too.

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    Default Re: France forbids vegetarian and vegan food in the schools

    They needed somewhere to put all those excess frog legs.

    Also, this is pretty much on the same level of dumb as Congress declaring pizza an official vegetable. I don't see what the big deal is with having non-meat products in school lunches.

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    Default Re: France forbids vegetarian and vegan food in the schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Avido View Post
    You won't get obese just because you eat food with meat in it. They didn't ban vegetables over all, they are just serving foods with meat in them (Like a chicken Caesar salad, or maybe steak and veges, which are both OK)

    An this ban was only on the food served, they didn't mention any restrictions on food you bring. People could bring a salad to eat or something and it would save them money too.
    Ahh I misunderstood then. Thats a good thing then i guess.

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    Default Re: France forbids vegetarian and vegan food in the schools

    They won't serve leek anymore? T^T

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    Quote Originally Posted by blueangel06661 View Post

    Looking at the lunch menu this month for my old school. Pretty much every entre is meat related.. Meh.. Bring your on lunch... >.> They can't kick you out for eating a banana and a BP&J sandwich rather than eating chicken nuggets.
    Well you could still bring your own lunches, I agree on that. But still this ban, feels to me anyway, like a way to punish those who are vegeterian/vegans - since they are already paying for the food in the schools [It's included in the taxes]. So now it's like those who doesn't eat animal products are forced [or they are if they don't want to 'change their ways'] to pay x2.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Avido View Post
    An this ban was only on the food served, they didn't mention any restrictions on food you bring. People could bring a salad to eat or something and it would save them money too.
    What do you mean?




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    Quote Originally Posted by blueangel06661 View Post
    I don't know about you, but every school I've been to except my hipster art school of a college didn't really cater to the vegans. If you were vegan you simply did not eat whatever entre with meat/fish was served and choose another option.. It's not like the entire menu has meat etc. in there.. It's not like they are starving anyone..

    .... I mean it's quite impossible to ban someone who is vegan from eating something in the cafe... I can understand not serving tofu but that's as far as I see this going.
    Also, off topic but im curious ~, is it common in the states? I mean that they don't do any 'special food' for those who craves it? I have grow up with that the schools have to make special foods to those who 'needs it'. [vegeterians/vegans, jews, muslims exc - but then only them could take it], so for me what you just wrote sounds a little weird. But that is perhaps since we pay for it in the taxes here aswell.... I don't know.
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    Default Re: France forbids vegetarian and vegan food in the schools

    Wow to bad for my vegan classmate if he was in france but my classmate is a complete smart aleck so I don't care bout him

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    Save the students who bring their lunches money xD I forgot to specify.

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    Default Re: France forbids vegetarian and vegan food in the schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Avido View Post
    You won't get obese just because you eat food with meat in it. They didn't ban vegetables over all, they are just serving foods with meat in them (Like a chicken Caesar salad, or maybe steak and veges, which are both OK)

    An this ban was only on the food served, they didn't mention any restrictions on food you bring. People could bring a salad to eat or something and it would save them money too.
    I'm sorry, but this is pure discrimination! Why should they HAVE to bring in their own lunch? They should have an option, it's just common sense!
    Plus, surely not all meat eaters would want to eat meat for every meal, so it would encourage more meat eaters to eat lower fat, more eco-friendly food which doesn't involve the cruelty of intensive farming.
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    Default Re: France forbids vegetarian and vegan food in the schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Avido View Post
    Save the students who bring their lunches money xD I forgot to specify.
    I don't see how it would save them money, since they are already paying for the school lunches threw the taxes.

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    Default Re: France forbids vegetarian and vegan food in the schools

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Rebellion_of_1857.

    The discussion seems to be focused on vegetarianism as a lifestyle choice, but I have to wonder if there is a religious element involved here that is missing from the coverage. Especially with France being somewhat notorious in recent memory for the controversy regarding displays of worship in public schools. But anyhow.

    In my opinion, what you choose (or not choose) to consume through your mouth daily constitutes one of the most guttural, deep-rooted and intimate aspects of our lives, and hence something that we should have a degree of control over (within bounds of reason of course; a parent should still be able to tell his children to eat her peas). I enjoy horse meat because I've grown up in a culture where it's common for horses to be on the menu, but I feel slightly nauseated at the thought of eating dog meat. I imagine a culture that feels somewhat differently about horses (or dogs) would have a drastically different reaction.

    Also, although one can argue that people who decline meat can opt out, the important issue here seems to be one of tolerance. The question is whether people of diverse lifestyles and creeds feel that their public institutions accommodate their particular ways of life without dictating one as less legitimate than another.
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    Default Re: France forbids vegetarian and vegan food in the schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Datenshi View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Rebellion_of_1857.

    The discussion seems to be focused on vegetarianism as a lifestyle choice, but I have to wonder if there is a religious element involved here that is missing from the coverage. Especially with France being somewhat notorious in recent memory for the controversy regarding displays of worship in public schools. But anyhow.

    In my opinion, what you choose (or not choose) to consume through your mouth daily constitutes one of the most guttural, deep-rooted and intimate aspects of our lives, and hence something that we should have a degree of control over (within bounds of reason of course; a parent should still be able to tell his children to eat her peas). I enjoy horse meat because I've grown up in a culture where it's common for horses to be on the menu, but I feel slightly nauseated at the thought of eating dog meat. I imagine a culture that feels somewhat differently about horses (or dogs) would have a drastically different reaction.

    Also, although one can argue that people who decline meat can opt out, the important issue here seems to be one of tolerance. The question is whether people of diverse lifestyles and creeds feel that their public institutions accommodate their particular ways of life without dictating one as less legitimate than another.
    I totally agree with you! What people choose to eat is their decision...I'm a veggie, but I'd never dream of forcing meat-eaters to give up! So why are the French allowed to enforce a culture where meat-eating is almost dictated in schools?
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    Default Re: France forbids vegetarian and vegan food in the schools

    Honestly~ Don't they have bigger fish to fry? Oh you know that thing called the world recession that is going on and the fact that basically a lot of countries in Europe are bankrupt? Government shouldn't be sticking their noses on lifestyles that doesn't even negatively impact anything.
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    Default Re: France forbids vegetarian and vegan food in the schools

    Sometimes, I greatly wonder about the french in Europe and what they are thinking...(I am french Canadian) I can kinda see where they are coming from since they are concerned about kids receiving the right amount of minerals, iron, potassium, calcium, all those vitamins that everyone needs for daily living and the amount of energy food gives for regular function.

    However, I don't believe the school system should limit those two groups to the point of banning them from having to chose cafeteria food. They could have at least provided some substitute or other option without meat in it. Or, if the law continues, prepare your own lunch to bring to school. (My school didn't have a cafeteria. We had to bring our own lunch) :3



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    Default Re: France forbids vegetarian and vegan food in the schools

    the french do stuff like this all the time, they prevent expression of religion in public too

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    Default Re: France forbids vegetarian and vegan food in the schools

    Quote Originally Posted by stocksatron View Post
    they prevent expression of religion in public too

    What, exactly is the problem with this again?

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