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    Default Re: Black Student Hangs Confederate Flag in Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Seung-li View Post
    >_> I'm aware that you're British but your post wasn't necessary, have nothing nice to say you're better off not saying it.
    Plus this is South America and North America are the folks above them.
    Sorry, you're confusing me a bit. Do you mean Southern United States, or South America the continent?
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    Jeesh can't take a bit of British humour.

    Let me set the record straight British humour mocks alot of things from ourselves to everyone and thing in the world.
    I mean I wouldn't take offense if someone mocked the Monarch because although I am a Royalist through and through I understand that people do it as a joke just like the English mock the Welsh and what they do with sheep.

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    Default Re: Black Student Hangs Confederate Flag in Room

    Quote Originally Posted by DeathBlade/13.666 View Post
    Sorry, you're confusing me a bit. Do you mean Southern United States, or South America the continent?
    That's South America the continent. I'm from the south of the United States. ;3

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    Okie doke. Now I understand. And aether, Only Brit's get British humor. J/K.
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    Default Re: Black Student Hangs Confederate Flag in Room

    Quote Originally Posted by DeathBlade/13.666 View Post
    Okie doke. Now I understand. And aether, Only Brit's get British humor. J/K.
    LOL true true
    Once you get the knack of it British humour is some of the best


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    Default Re: Black Student Hangs Confederate Flag in Room

    It's "'kind of weird'"


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    Default Re: Black Student Hangs Confederate Flag in Room

    Anything can be seen as offensive, everyone has different perspective and upbringings. There will be people offended by it but in the end he IS free to hang it.

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    Default Re: Black Student Hangs Confederate Flag in Room

    i find it funny how the black kid is going to college, but he doesn't even understad how racist the flag is, and how it has nothing to do with "southern pride"

    i thought college grads were supposed to be smart..... *shrug*
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    Quote Originally Posted by blueangel06661 View Post
    Please don't tell me you're a black girl who thinks that the states owe you money just because some ancestors long down the line were slaves so they owe YOU.
    I'm not. In fact, I find the very idea preposterous.

    Quote Originally Posted by blueangel06661 View Post
    It's because of people like you that we can't have nice things in life.. Always griping and complain' over history >.> Sure go ahead and express hate towards a stupid flag. But do it on your own time.
    You appeared to have missed my point, one that I have made twice, so let me repeat it to you once again.

    I don't immediately take offense to the flag (as I said, I live in Richmond; rather hard to avoid seeing the Confederate flag here; if I took offense to it each and every time I saw it, I would live in complete and utter misery). Hell, I support one's right to fly it. Put in on a shirt, in their yard, in their window, on their car, I don't care what they do with it. And if someone tells them to take it down, I'll be one of the first ones to support them. HOWEVER, at the same time, I don't have positive feelings for the flag (I don't think I ever will), and that's ONLY because I've had negative experiences with people who wave it, NOT because of any connection to the CSA.

    I am very much aware that people use it as a symbol of Southern pride, however, I had much more experience with people using it as a White Power symbol. I haven't just seen people being attacked because of their race; I HAVE BEEN, more than once (physically), by ignorant people who use that flag to express their ideals. So again, I support a person's right to have the flag, but I still have negative feelings for it.

    And my point earlier was that as long as one is waving the Confederate flag (in order to connect them to the CSA), they should be aware of EVERYTHING that the CSA fought for. Slavery isn't relevant now (as an issue anyway), but it was still something that the CSA fought for (how major or minor the reason doesn't matter) and that shouldn't be forgotten or thrown to the wayside. I'm not saying that anyone who displays the flag is instantly supporting slavery, but that one shouldn't say that the CSA only fought for state's rights (or worse, that slavery was never part of the equation).

    Quote Originally Posted by DeathBlade/13.666 View Post
    Well ok, Let's look at the definition of confederate. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Confederate
    'Kay. And your point is what? I already knew the definition of the word and your post doesn't change a thing. So what's your point?
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    Default Re: Black Student Hangs Confederate Flag in Room

    Well, a Confederate is one that is united with others in a league or alliance, and the United States is well, states united in a league or alliance of/under a larger body of government. So we're all confederates! ;P
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    Default Re: Black Student Hangs Confederate Flag in Room

    Quote Originally Posted by DeathBlade/13.666 View Post
    Well, a Confederate is one that is united with others in a league or alliance, and the United States is well, states united in a league or alliance of/under a larger body of government. So we're all confederates! ;P
    *sigh* No.

    A confederation, as the definition stated, is comprised of allied sovereign states under a larger government body, meaning that the political units in question are sovereign with the only thing connecting them all is a mutual alliance and the government ruling them all.

    If you've cracked open a US government textbook at all, you would've realized that this is not the case here. Our individual states are not united by an alliance with each other (we are not in a "league"). The US is a federation (the world's oldest one, in fact), not a confederation, because while the states are effectively self-governing, they are only partially sovereign; they have powers reserved just for them, but our Constitution sets up a central government that unites us all (its called a federal government; get it: federal government, federation; simple isn't?).

    We certainly were a confederation a long time ago, when the states were truly sovereign. But when our Constitution was ratified, we were no longer a confederation of independent states; the states didn't have full sovereignty and the federal government that was put in place by the Constitution, not an alliance with each other, is what united us.
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    Default Re: Black Student Hangs Confederate Flag in Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Gauntlgrym View Post
    I find it funny how the black kid is going to college, but he doesn't even u̶n̶d̶e̶r̶s̶t̶a̶d̶ understand how racist the flag is, and how it has nothing to do with "southern pride."

    I thought college grads were supposed to be smart..... *shrug*
    I'm guessing you missed the lengthy discussion about how the flag means different things to different people.

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    Default Re: Black Student Hangs Confederate Flag in Room

    what people "think" it means doesn't matter.
    i can say that in my "opinion" or "to me" the sun orbits the earth. that doesn't make it true or relevant.
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    Default Re: Black Student Hangs Confederate Flag in Room

    Actually your wrong. The entire discussion, is all about what people think, and have thought since possibly the Civil War, or at least the Civil Rights movement.
    The issue is that of public and private opinion(s).
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    Default Re: Black Student Hangs Confederate Flag in Room

    the civil war was fought over slavery, plain and simple.
    the confederacy was formed to try and keep the slaves.
    wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War

    "The American Civil War (1861–1865) was a civil war fought in the United States of America. In response to the election of Abraham Lincoln as President of the United States."
    (Lincoln wanted to abolish slavery)
    "11 southern slave states declared their secession from the United States and formed the Confederate States of America."
    (only slave states were in confederacy)
    "After four years of warfare, mostly within the Southern states, the Confederacy surrendered and slavery was outlawed everywhere in the nation."
    (this is the closing sentence in the first paragraph on wiki)

    people can say that the civil war was about whatever they want, but the fact is it was about slavery.
    that was the CORE of the war. we would have never had the war if we didn't try to end slavery.
    the confederacy would have never even been formed.
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    Default Re: Black Student Hangs Confederate Flag in Room



    I'm all for it. I love expression through symbols, and sometimes I do similar things to piss off passbyers, and if any of them are little bright, I even manage to make them see my point.
    But, I honestly like southern America bettern than northern and I say: If the South Shall rise again, may it!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gauntlgrym View Post
    the civil war was fought over slavery, plain and simple.
    the confederacy was formed to try and keep the slaves.
    wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War

    "The American Civil War (1861–1865) was a civil war fought in the United States of America. In response to the election of Abraham Lincoln as President of the United States."
    (Lincoln wanted to abolish slavery)
    "11 southern slave states declared their secession from the United States and formed the Confederate States of America."
    (only slave states were in confederacy)
    "After four years of warfare, mostly within the Southern states, the Confederacy surrendered and slavery was outlawed everywhere in the nation."
    (this is the closing sentence in the first paragraph on wiki)

    people can say that the civil war was about whatever they want, but the fact is it was about slavery.
    that was the CORE of the war. we would have never had the war if we didn't try to end slavery.
    the confederacy would have never even been formed.
    Appearently someone hasn't been paying attention to what others have already posted in this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gauntlgrym View Post
    what people "think" it means doesn't matter.
    i can say that in my "opinion" or "to me" the sun orbits the earth. that doesn't make it true or relevant.
    Oh lord, you dun did caught the stupid, again.

    Actually, if a large amount of people believe asymbol has a certain meaning, then that symbol has that meaning to them. You're trying to say that a symbol means the same thing to everyone one, and simple analysis of the swastika proves you wrong. Unless you are seriously trying to say that symbols never change in meaning, in which case, I stand by my statement made quite a while ago: You're a twit.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeschylus View Post
    Oh lord, you dun did caught the stupid, again.

    Actually, if a large amount of people believe asymbol has a certain meaning, then that symbol has that meaning to them. You're trying to say that a symbol means the same thing to everyone one, and simple analysis of the swastika proves you wrong. Unless you are seriously trying to say that symbols never change in meaning, in which case, I stand by my statement made quite a while ago: You're a twit.


    and you are apparently are a child if you can't have a discussion without calling people names.
    cause we all know that a well thought out, and logical response MUST have low-blows in it to make it seem more valid, right??

    anyways, as i said b4.....
    what people "think" something means isn't really relevant. the only thing that matters is the true meaning of the symbol.

    if i get pulled over by a cop for running a stop sign, i can't just say "well officer, to me the stop sign doesn't mean stop."
    why can't i say that?? because it doesn't matter what i think something means. what it actually means is all that matters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gauntlgrym View Post
    what people "think" it means doesn't matter.
    i can say that in my "opinion" or "to me" the sun orbits the earth. that doesn't make it true or relevant.
    Except that argument is rather irrelevant at the moment (there is a difference between solid fact and an opinion based on it). Apparently you missed not only the discussion I was having with other people, but the overall point of the thread: that symbols mean different things to different people.

    As I just finished explaining, the 20th century Confederate flag didn't fly on the battlefield; it is a variant of the battle flag but not the actual one. It wasn't used until around WWII by sailors who served on the USS Columbia. They used the flag to represent the state of South Carolina (which, as we all know, was the first state to secede from the Union) AND NOTHING ELSE.

    True, some racist groups have taken the flag and have used it as their symbol, but that is honestly no different than how Satanists corrupted the pentagram or how Nazis corrupted the swastika. For example, if you go to Asia and accuse them of being Nazi sympathizers because they have the swastika all over the place means that you are the one who is ignorant, not them.

    Again, I don't like the Confederate flag. I glare at it every time I look at it. However, my negative feelings are based off of personal experience. In the back of my mind, I know that not every one uses the flag as a racist symbol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gauntlgrym View Post
    if i get pulled over by a cop for running a stop sign, i can't just say "well officer, to me the stop sign doesn't mean stop."
    why can't i say that?? because it doesn't matter what i think something means. what it actually means is all that matters.
    You can't run the stop sign legally, but you can claim that stop sign doesn't mean stop and that it has another meaning. If the government put up a bunch of signs which said "go" and you were legally required to stop at the signs, the same logic would apply. You can't run the "go" sign legally, but you can claim the go sign doesn't mean stop and that it has another meaning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gauntlgrym View Post
    and you are apparently are a child if you can't have a discussion without calling people names.
    cause we all know that a well thought out, and logical response MUST have low-blows in it to make it seem more valid, right??
    No, they don't need to insult you to be correct, that's just how I roll. To be fair, calling you a twit isn't a horrible hyperbole as you are trying to state that symbols only have one interpretation. I could just as easily call you a scathing indictment of the education system, and that still isn't exaggerating very much.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gauntlgrym View Post
    anyways, as i said b4.....
    what people "think" something means isn't really relevant. the only thing that matters is the true meaning of the symbol.
    True meaning of the symbol; ergo, what it is presented as;ergo, what someone wants to represent based on their interpretation of the symbol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gauntlgrym View Post
    if i get pulled over by a cop for running a stop sign, i can't just say "well officer, to me the stop sign doesn't mean stop."
    why can't i say that?? because it doesn't matter what i think something means. what it actually means is all that matters.
    Changing the type of symbol does not validate your point. Tennessee Williams, you probably haven't heard of him as that would require something similar to an education, has very specific meanings assigned to the symbols in his works; however, something like the swastika has many meanings, and only how it is presented can determine what the presenter is trying to symbolize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gauntlgrym View Post
    because it doesn't matter what i think something means. what it actually means is all that matters.

    Just like Fag used to mean happy.. Now it means gay..

    Just like saying "That's so gay" as opposed to "That's so stupid" While gay means same sex, it can and has been used to mean multiple different things. While insensitive that's just the way it is.

    People have their own interpretations of many different things now. That it's origin hardly matters anymore. "Gay" doesn't mean "happy" anymore if they call you gay they are NOT calling you happy, they are calling you a homo etc.

    Some people still think it means happy, while others [majority] do not.
    Some people still think the rebel flag means slavers, while others [majority] do not [ southern pride]

    Same thing can be applied to symbols. Why? Because symbols are just a language using pictures/shapes. Like hieroglyphs for example. Language meanings ALWAYS change.. So can signs and symbols..
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfgirl90 View Post
    Except that argument is rather irrelevant at the moment (there is a difference between solid fact and an opinion based on it). Apparently you missed not only the discussion I was having with other people, but the overall point of the thread: that symbols mean different things to different people.
    i didn't miss it, i simply disagree.
    a symbol has an intended meaning, that's why it was made in the first place.
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    it matters little what people might interpret them as. only thing that matter is what the true meaning is.

    As I just finished explaining, the 20th century Confederate flag didn't fly on the battlefield; it is a variant of the battle flag but not the actual one. It wasn't used until around WWII by sailors who served on the USS Columbia. They used the flag to represent the state of South Carolina (which, as we all know, was the first state to secede from the Union) AND NOTHING ELSE.
    so if i drew a "variant" of a swastika, does that mean it's ok for me to wear then?? it's not racist at all??
    even though it's almost the exact same as the original??

    True, some racist groups have taken the flag and have used it as their symbol, but that is honestly no different than how Satanists corrupted the pentagram or how Nazis corrupted the swastika. For example, if you go to Asia and accuse them of being Nazi sympathizers because they have the swastika all over the place means that you are the one who is ignorant, not them.
    i'll admit that symbols do change from culture to culture, but we are talking about what an american did, at an american school. so.......

    Again, I don't like the Confederate flag. I glare at it every time I look at it. However, my negative feelings are based off of personal experience. In the back of my mind, I know that not every one uses the flag as a racist symbol.
    i feel that it IS a racist symbol, and anyone using it is either racist, or too dumb to know it's racist.
    OR they are like this kid, and just trying to get attention. i think that's why he did it in the fist place, just for the attention.

    @Wio

    You can't run the stop sign legally, but you can claim that stop sign doesn't mean stop and that it has another meaning.
    you are right, i CAN.
    however it really wouldn't matter what my thoughts on it were.
    just like someone CAN say the confederate flag isn't racist, but doesn't change the fact it is.

    If the government put up a bunch of signs which said "go" and you were legally required to stop at the signs, the same logic would apply. You can't run the "go" sign legally, but you can claim the go sign doesn't mean stop and that it has another meaning
    right, but as soon a the new signs are put up, they would then have a SPECIFIC meaning. the go signs would then mean stop. it's not up for interpretation.

    @Wio , @blueangel06661 , @wolfgirl90

    i just wanted to add that i DO agree that symbols can change, and they CAN be interpreted different ways.
    i'm just saying that "change" implys that the old meaning has been dropped, and the interpretation of a few people doesn't matter.

    even if 200,000 people think a stop sign means go, it doesn't change the fact that it means stop. the vast majority of people say it means stop, so that's what it means from a technical standpoint.
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