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    Default Black Student Hangs Confederate Flag in Room

    In college dorm rooms, as far as decorations are concerned, as long as its not on fire, almost anything goes. There was a guy a few doors down from me who had some half-naked chicks on his wall and one of my friends has a life size Jason statue with a gay pride flag in one hand (he's a gay horror movie buff).

    However, a Black University of South Carolina student decided to hang the Confederate flag hanging in his window. This of course sparked some controversy, with people taking offense to the flag. The school told him that it was inappropriate, that it went against their non-discrimination clause, and told him to take it down. After he defended his point on YouTube and on blogs, the school reversed their decision and allowed him to hang the flag back up again under free speech grounds (there are still some people on campus who are still pissed about the flag and while his family supports his overall ideals, they don't agree with his hanging of the flag).

    The reason that he wanted to hang it was because he believed that the flag was a symbol of Southern Pride and "state's rights", not slavery and racism.

    So what do y'all think?

     
    Although, despite their permission, he has decided not to hang it up since "the fight is not over".
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    Default Re: Black Student Hangs Confederate Flag in Room

    Someone please tell the Southerners that they lost the war.

    I'm sure there are others ways for him to express his "Southern pride", but the Confederate flag symbolizes a lot more than just the Southern area. It's a representation of the Confederate States and their obstinate stance on slavery.

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    Default Re: Black Student Hangs Confederate Flag in Room

    Crazy south american I say

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    Default Re: Black Student Hangs Confederate Flag in Room

    I hope people are not going to blow this to stupidity. We as observers giving that flag its meaning to ourselves. We would be over reacting if we thought it meant something more, or something irrational. "OMG, this is awful!" would be the typical response predicted, but not me. It's a symbol of whatever we make it out to be. Just be open minded and look both ways before crossing the street.

    Edit: People that stereotype corrupt the world and its chance for equality. Or I have be told.
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    Default Re: Black Student Hangs Confederate Flag in Room

    Freedom of Speech nuff said.

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    Default Re: Black Student Hangs Confederate Flag in Room

    That's nothing.

    In Sweden, there's a famous criminal who executed two policemen in the He is mostly famous because he, a black guy, was a member of WAR.

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    Default Re: Black Student Hangs Confederate Flag in Room

    First of all, The young man didn't feel that way to start with, only after doing the research of the Confederate Flag, it's meanings, and the people that use it.

    Second, Keep in mind we're taking about the 20th Century Confederate Flag. In which wasn't around until the Civil Rights movement, and also according to him and his research, the same ignit people using the Confederate Flag as a symbol for racism now were using the American Flag before that. Also technically speaking, every American is a Confederate, due to the Articles of Confederation written prior to the U.S. Constitution. And yes, the British dubbed us Confederates as well as Traitor, Scum, and many other terms.

    Third, Yes the South lost. We know that. But we celebrate the War for the same reason people celebrate Guy Fawkes in Britain. We celebrate for the fact that someone (some people) stood up against the oppression that the collective people faced. Now before this becomes a huge mess over what the South fought for. I will tell the truth. There Were Multiple Reasons. Just like when the Original 13 Colonies seceded from England. You have to read each individual Secession letter, there's 11 of them, to understand why each state seceded from the Union. And honestly if the South had won, there was a strong possibility that the Confederate States would break up into complete seperate and individual states/countries. Regardless, We still hail General Robert E. Lee as a great general because he choose the fight for the South over the North. (Because his homestead in Virginia fought with the South). And we honor all who fought on both sides, not just the South.

    I would like to meet this person, not because he flies the Confederate Flag, but because he's not listening to what other have to say about it. He did the research on the Flag, and came to his own conclusions. I applaud that.
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    Default Re: Black Student Hangs Confederate Flag in Room

    *Facepalm


    I live in Alabama. Somewhere around Montgomery, there's a massive Confederate flag flying that was put up by the Confederate Sons of America. Yet, in Mobile (a few miles from where I live) another one was to be raised, but everyone tried to protest it.

    People are idiots and will have problems with everything. No matter who you are, what race or nationality, people will always call the stupidest things racist, regardless of who does it.

    Reminds me of another story with a flag. A guy in Arizona was fined for putting a "Don't tread on me" flag on his house, which met every requirement. After that, every DTOM flag was seen as controversial, despite it's origin.

    I think I made a point somewhere, but I honestly lost interest halfway through the post...

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    Default Re: Black Student Hangs Confederate Flag in Room

    No crap? Where at in Alabama? I'm from Prattville. And actually the one in Montgomery (Overlooking I-65, I believe) As also been protested greatly. But trying to get people in the Heart of Dixie to toss the Confederate Flag out is like trying to get blood from a stone.

    Also, Really? The Don't Tread On Me Flag? One of the First flags the United States of America ever had.... That's frick'n stupid. Any worse and they'd be a ban on Ol' Glory itsself.
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    Default Re: Black Student Hangs Confederate Flag in Room

    Born and raised redneck. Surrounded by confederate flags. Most people I know do not take offense to them. Ever drove on i75? Well right when you get into Tampa you get this lovely flag.



    It's pretty big on the side of the interstate. Confederate flags are everywhere in the south to the point I don't really notice them anymore. I had a kid in my class who had a regular sized confed flag fly on the back of his truck via. fishing pole.. He'd lower it/raise it on the side of the road before and after school so he wouldn't get in trouble. But yet no one cares if it's on your shirt :/

    Just let the darn flag be.. Sure it stands for more ignorance than anything now but whatever it's none of my concern.


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    Default Re: Black Student Hangs Confederate Flag in Room

    Like you said, You're in the south. You can't walk 10 ft, without spotting a confederate flag on someone's house, car/truck/bike, shirt, paints, etc. Speaking of which I just found my Confederate Flag Belt Buckle. lol

    But it's like going through Alabama and 1) not hearing Lynyrd Skynyrd, and 2) not being asked about whether you're a Alabama or Auburn fan. Also, picking a third team/college that's not listed won't win you any points either, regardless if it's an Alabama team/college or not. You're gonna see it, it will happen, and you can simply just idly ignore it, and no one will mess with you.
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    Default Re: Black Student Hangs Confederate Flag in Room

    I say why don't we let the kid do what he wants and focus our opinions on what actually matters. Like the state of america, and how in just a few years, we'll be owned by china.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rythmol View Post
    I say why don't we let the kid do what he wants and focus our opinions on what actually matters. Like the state of america, and how in just a few years, we'll be owned by china.
    That's a splendid idea! Except for, as we say in the military, it makes too much sense! And because of that, Can't haz it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blueangel06661 View Post
    Born and raised redneck. Surrounded by confederate flags. Most people I know do not take offense to them. Ever drove on i75? Well right when you get into Tampa you get this lovely flag.



    It's pretty big on the side of the interstate. Confederate flags are everywhere in the south to the point I don't really notice them anymore. I had a kid in my class who had a regular sized confed flag fly on the back of his truck via. fishing pole.. He'd lower it/raise it on the side of the road before and after school so he wouldn't get in trouble. But yet no one cares if it's on your shirt :/

    Just let the darn flag be.. Sure it stands for more ignorance than anything now but whatever it's none of my concern.
    I've seen that flag. lol I wasn't born in the south but grew up in it, and I'm Asian. I can say I have some Southern pride to some extent. It doesn't bother me so much and I can honestly say I think of that flag shows Southern pride? Nothing as offending, not for me anyway.
    In this case, how I see it is that some people views the flag in a negative way that it represents the confederates for slavery. But some think it's just for showing pride...

    I'm only giving my opinion on it that it doesn't bother me and I'm not entirely offended, I choose to ignore. If it was directed to my own race, for an example, I choose to give some opinions then ignore it after. And perhaps it's only to get attention. o_O

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    Default Re: Black Student Hangs Confederate Flag in Room

    ^^^^ exactly seung.. It's a pride thing.. Everyone who uses the flag forwhatever reason are just proud southerners and have no problems showing it.

    Ask them, they do NOT tie it to slavery, that's what anyone who doesn't know it's purpose in 2011 thinks. The flag changed it's meaning over the years. I'm pretty sure 99.99% of the people I know are anti slavery and have african american friends and what not. But just because it's the southern flag and was created while fighting to keep slavery doesn't mean it's THE pro slavery flag... It just means it's THE southerner flag.

    Sheesh.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DeathBlade/13.666 View Post
    Also technically speaking, every American is a Confederate, due to the Articles of Confederation written prior to the U.S. Constitution.
    I should point out that that's wrong as hell. The Constitution effectively replaced the Articles, so we are no longer a confederation.

    Quote Originally Posted by DeathBlade/13.666 View Post
    Now before this becomes a huge mess over what the South fought for. I will tell the truth. There Were Multiple Reasons.
    There were multiple reasons, yes, but a lot of those reasons can easily be tied to slavery. Hell, the issue of "state's rights" can be tied to the South getting pissed at the North's ban on slavery (and the potential threat of the expansion of that ban). Slavery wasn't the only thing the South fought for, but it was still a reason (and a major one at that).

    Now, I will admit that after being harassed by a bunch of Black hatin' rednecks for years, I'm a little jaded. At this point, while I'm not instantly offended by the sight of the Confederate flag (a sight that's rather hard to avoid in Richmond, the freaking former capital of the CSA), I can't help but glare at it at times. I know that people don't always use the flag for some racist purpose, but I've seen more of the bad than the good; for every one time that I've heard someone talk about "Dixieland pride", I've had five people stare right at me (if they haven't thrown a rock already) and tell me to "go back to where I came from". I'm not going to tell someone to take it down; hell, I'll defend their right to wave it (I'll just have chills going down my spine every time I see it).

    Of course, as long as people are waving it around spouting things about Southern pride and state's rights, people should know certain fact about the flag such as how that particular flag wasn't waved in battle (the battle flag is square) nor did it represent the CSA as a whole (of the three CSA national flags, the "Confederate Flag" wasn't one of them).
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    Meh, as far as every american being a confederate. It depends on who you ask, but it's almost borderline semantics.

    As far as your argument of States Rights and Slavery, You're wrong. Yes the slavery can be tied to a point, but the larger point that no one mentions is the fact that the railroad tycoons weren't living up to their promises to bring more railroads into the south. The Yankees were trying to expand along the Western Frontier, whilst the South was trying to meet up the demands for more agricultural resources. Granted a lot of that was also driven by agricultural tycoons trying to keep the prices up, and with more railroads to increase supply to the world, they'd have to lower the prices. (Supply and Demand.)

    NOW before you go off on and say "See you just proved me right!" The majority of that was due to the social economic times, and not racism. There was a fair amount of racism, yes, but there were for more people that didn't care. Proof is in the pudding. First the Secession Letters, only 4 out of 11 states even bothered to cite Slavery in the letter. THUS making it only a MINOR Issue. It didn't become a Major Issue until 1862 (After the attack on Fort Sumter {That started the Civil War} in April 1861) when the Emancipation Proclamation was issued and signed by Lincoln. And the majority of the South's issue with Slavery was with the hypocracy of the North over the banning of it. Because The North wanted the South to stop, but the North wouldn't stop either. To include the Emancipation Proclamation, in which only freed Southern Slaves that fought for the North. So if you're a Northern Slave fighting for the North, you're screwed, and still a slave. And there where many southerners that were willing to let the Blacks be free. Mostly because they already had plans to let the Prior Slaves become Share-Crop owners, (and it's a practice that still exists today) or simply just hired hands. Even when the Yankees came through to hand out farms and property to the freed blacks, most of the plantation owners gave up the lands freely before the Government could demand it. (Thus this area of the South where most of the lands were given is dubbed the "Black Belt", mainly because the lands formed a bit of a belt-like line/loop.)

    Also you're wrong about the Flag, there's a lot of them and the basic design of the Confederate Flag is flown today was a part of many of those. But the 20th century one, as far as I can tell is a cross between two flags. It's the Naval Jack that was a square with the same colors as the 20th century, and the Land forces had rectangular flags that were colored different. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_Flag explains it all pretty will. And I know someone might say, "When it's still Red and Blue, with White. What's does it matter if one uses a lighter blue than the other?" Well, it matter's enough for people to actually distinguish the types to seperate them. And it's not the only flag like that.
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    Default Re: Black Student Hangs Confederate Flag in Room

    I guess in the South people are used to seeing the Confederate flag so they don't think much about it. I, on the other hand, have never seen a real Confederate flag in my life, so I'll need some time to get used to it... (Where I live right now, Maryland, is as South as I have ever been lol.)

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    Default Re: Black Student Hangs Confederate Flag in Room

    Well come on down to Alabama. Especially in Montgomery on MLK Jr. Day, when there's just as many people celebrating Robert E. Lee's birthday too! Granted most of them aren't racist, they tend to celebrate both Legends of American History.
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    Default Re: Black Student Hangs Confederate Flag in Room

    It has always been in the South's best interest to secede. It has never been in their best interest politically to be part of the U.S. The South is at the complete mercy of the North. It is like being a non-Democrat in California. Their vote is a gesture with little teeth at the end of the day. This is why you hear talk about States Rights and you see Confederate flags raising. You often see Northern culture perpetuating anti-Southern stereotypes. What's with that? They could let go of the South at any time but they know it's in their best interest to keep them within their jurisdiction.

    Slavery was the main reason for the civil war, but even if slavery had not existed at the time, there would have been others reasons to secede. The abolition of slavery became possible under a context in which the South was losing national efficacy and consequently sovereignty. This was the fundamental problem, and it still is a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeathBlade/13.666 View Post
    Meh, as far as every american being a confederate. It depends on who you ask, but it's almost borderline semantics.
    Semantics nothing. Its an issue of one getting their facts straight. If one thinks that America is a confederacy, then they need to 1) look up what the word "confederacy" means and 2) realize that the Constitution replaced the Articles, making us a republic.

    Quote Originally Posted by DeathBlade/13.666 View Post
    And the majority of the South's issue with Slavery was with the hypocracy of the North over the banning of it. Because The North wanted the South to stop, but the North wouldn't stop either.
    Still wrong. The North banned slavery (and thus, there weren't any Northern slaves). It was only in the border states where it was allowed (and the war was well under away during that little issue, so it certainly wasn't an issue to start the war). The South's issue (well one of them) was that they wanted to have their slaves go with them place to place and still be slaves; the Northern states didn't allow this. Of course, there was a lot of crap dealing with slavery during the Civil War; that was merely one of them.

    Quote Originally Posted by DeathBlade/13.666 View Post
    It's the Naval Jack that was a square with the same colors as the 20th century, and the Land forces had rectangular flags that were colored different.
    Wow. You gave me a link to the flags and you were still wrong. As I said, the "Confederate Flag" as we know it is basically a rectangular version of the Battle Flag used by the CSA (the Battle Flag is square). The Naval Jack wasn't a square, it was a rectangle. And it didn't have the same colors; it used a lighter blue than the Battle Flag and the one used on the "Confederate Flag".

    Look, here's my main point before this turns into a thread about the damn Civil War (or rather, before I end up arguing with you about points that you apparently only barely understand). I am very much aware that slavery wasn't the only issue that the Confederacy fought for, but it still was one (as long as you're using Wikipedia, I suggest you take a peak at it). And as long as one is waving around a flag representing the CSA (in any capacity), this should still be in mind; you can't pick out a few issues that the South fought for, but ignore one of the most controversial ones.

    Again, I recognize that people use the 20th century version of the CSA battle flag to represent Southern pride (hell, I live in the South). While I have way more negative thoughts about that flag than positive ones (as I said, its not just the fact that I'm Black, but because I've beem harassed by people who wave that flag around), I still support the fact that people have the right to fly it, hang it, or do whatever with it.
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    Default Re: Black Student Hangs Confederate Flag in Room

    Please don't tell me you're a black girl who thinks that the states owe you money just because some ancestors long down the line were slaves so they owe YOU.. totally unrelated.. something too.. -rolls eyes- Trust me, I had an annoying girl in my class think this.. So no one really liked her because she was stupid and annoying...

    You're trying to tie something in to something that isn't related anymore. Hell the title CLEARLY says "black student hangs confed flag in room".... I'm almost 100% he doesn't support his race being a slave again... It's JUST a pride thing.

    You obviously have some problems with people who don't like the fact that you are [I'm assuming] 1. black... 2. a witch lover or whatever you call yourself.. 3. gosh knows what else.... I think a mixture of the two is what got you so much negativity... Not just being black alone... And hell if you started up this debate with someone flying the flag.. Of course you're going to get negativity from them.. The flag does NOT affect YOU in any way shape or form.. Unless YOU went out of YOUR way to make it.. It only affected your ancestors. It's in their right to get mad about it, not in yours. You're leisurely sitting in a nicely built house with amenities and food with internet. not in a 1 bed hut with 13 other people in the coldest of winters and hottest of summers just to be whipped and forced to plow everyday. You were not there. You probably don't even know someone who was..

    It's because of people like you that we can't have nice things in life.. Always griping and complain' over history >.> Sure go ahead and express hate towards a stupid flag. But do it on your own time.

    It's just a flag of the south.. it's not the flag of slavery etc. etc. What about the Union flag.. You don't hear the people in the south wanting to get rid of those? And complaining every time they see one.. Even though for them it was just as bad as it was for the northerners to see slavery.. The south lost their main crop growing system. That was a big deal to them.

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    Well ok, Let's look at the definition of confederate. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Confederate
    con·fed·er·ate

    /adj., n. kənˈfɛdərɪt, -ˈfɛdrɪt; v. kənˈfɛdəˌreɪt/ [adj., n. kuhn-fed-er-it, -fed-rit; v. kuhn-fed-uh-reyt] adjective, noun, verb, -at·ed, -at·ing.
    adjective
    1. united in a league, alliance, or conspiracy.

    2. ( initial capital letter ) of or pertaining to the Confederate States of America: the Confederatearmy.
    noun
    3.a person, group, nation, etc., united with others in a confederacy; an ally.

    4. anaccomplice, especially in a mischievous or criminal act.

    5. ( initial capital letter) U.S. History . a supporter of the Confederate States of America.
    verb(used with object), verb (used without object)
    6. to unite in a league, alliance, or conspiracy.


    Origin:
    1350–1400; Middle English confederat < Late Latin confoederātus (past participle of confoederāre to unite in a league), equivalent to con- con- + foeder- (stem of foedus ) treaty ( see fidelity) + -ātus -ate1

    Related forms
    half-Con·fed·er·ate, adjective
    non·con·fed·er·ate, adjective, noun
    pro-Con·fed·er·ate, adjective
    un·con·fed·er·at·ed, adjective

    Synonyms
    3.
    associate, partner, cohort.

    And you're wrong. There were many Northern Slaves until the 13th Amendment. Mostly in the rural parts of the North as farmers/ farm hands, and as Maids and Butlers in the cities. Until the 13th Amendment, you've got to go state by state to see when each state freed slaves.

    As for the flag, oh my bad. The second and third generation Conferedate Flags had the 20th century flag as a square in it, as it was a rectangle. And from Wiki, "The Army of Northern Virginia battle flag was usually square, of various sizes for the different branches of the service: 52 inches square for the infantry, 38 inches for the artillery, and 32 inches for the cavalry. It was used in battle beginning in December 1861 until the fall of the Confederacy. The blue color on the saltire in the battle flag was navy blue, as opposed to the much lighter blue of the Naval Jack." So it's a stretched out Battle Flag, instead of a Stretched out Naval Jack with a darker blue. Oh My The Difference!
    Either way, we both agree on the fact that the flag being flown now, and in the case of this young college student, is a 20th century flag. That has never seen battle. Regardless if we disagree on Confederate flags that flew from 1861-1864, we can agree on this.
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    LOL people getting angry at me and thinking I'm a north american person when in actual fact I'm British. GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!!!

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    I say why don't we let the kid do what he wants and focus our opinions on what actually matters. Like the state of america, and how in just a few years, we'll be owned by china.
    What you have to remember is that China has a 1/3 of the world's population living there in squalor conditions hence why they are able to do so well in the economic front, thats why human rights and decent wages are not in their interest because look whats happened to the western countries no one gives one about anything and we sue over the slightest thing to get money leaving businesses bankcrupted.

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    Default Re: Black Student Hangs Confederate Flag in Room

    Quote Originally Posted by aether View Post
    LOL people getting angry at me and thinking I'm a north american person when in actual fact I'm British. GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!!!
    >_> I'm aware that you're British but your post wasn't necessary, have nothing nice to say you're better off not saying it.
    Plus this is South America and North America are the folks above them.

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