Boy Wants To Be A Girl Scout And Rejected

[Xeyuzio]

Bobby Montoya is a 7-year-old boy from Denver. Unlike a lot of young boys, Bobby has no desire to join the Boy Scouts. Instead, he wants to be a Girl Scout.

We first saw Montoya's story over at 9news.com. The NBC affiliate reports that when the boy's mother, Felisha Archuleta, tried to sign her son up for Girl Scouts, a troop leader told her no.

Archuleta spoke with 9News about the incident. "I said, 'Well, what's the big deal?' She [the troop leader] said, 'It doesn't matter how he looks; he has boy parts, he can't be in Girl Scouts. Girl Scouts don't allow that, [and] I don't want to be in trouble by parents or my supervisor.'"

Reporters with 9News contacted Girl Scouts of Colorado about Montoya's application, which prompted the group to release a statement: "Our requests for support of transgender kids have grown, and Girl Scouts of Colorado is working to best support these children, their families and the volunteers who serve them. In this case, an associate delivering our program was not aware of our approach. She contacted her supervisor, who immediately began working with the family to get the child involved and supported in Girl Scouts. We are accelerating our support systems and training so that we're better able to serve all girls, families and volunteers."


We placed a call to Rachelle Trujillo, vice president of communications at Girl Scouts of Colorado, for further clarification. She replied with this statement: "Girl Scouts is an inclusive organization, and we accept all girls in kindergarten through 12th grade as members. If a child lives life as a girl and the family brings the child to us to participate in Girl Scouts, Girl Scouts of Colorado welcomes her. Girl Scouts of Colorado respects the privacy of all girls and families we work with. When a family requests membership for their daughter, we do not require proof of gender, we respect the decisions of families."

So it would seem that Bobby will get his wish. Gender-identity issues are becoming more common, especially among young children--which makes it more likely that the policy of the Girl Scouts will face future tests in the months and years ahead.

Original Article (has a video): http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/upshot/y...210130922.html

So yeah...

[RohanDarkling]

I don't even want to live on this planet anymore.

[Xeyuzio]

I don't even want to live on this planet anymore.

Why?

@blueangel06661 Why would you send him to the boyscouts? If he wants to be in it let him, there's nothing wrong with that.

@Loki Of course there isn't. :3

[blueangel06661]

[COLOR="orange"]Why?

@blueangel06661 Why would you send him to the boyscouts? If he wants to be in it let him, there's nothing wrong with that.

Rules are there for a REASON? Girls should be in girlscouts and boys should be with boyscouts. Doesn't matter if your a tranny or gay or whatever that's just the way it is. We shouldn't have to make exceptions for "certain cases". Like I remember reading an article about a mentally challenged kid who was officially registered on his high schools football team roster. The whole school loved him he couldn't actually PLAY but he got his jersey and went to every game thinking he was part of the team. HOWEVER he's slow so he's been held back a few years understandably. But there's a rule for high school football that you must be under a certain age limit. Eventually he didn't fit that rule and had to be cut off of the team by RULES. And as much as no one wanted to tell this kid no they had to anyways there was nothing to be done. Handicapped or not. Tranny or not. Rules are rules.

[RohanDarkling]

Why?

Because I am not at all fond of the company it keeps.

[MusashiKatana]

People suck donkey.

[blueangel06661]

Not really rejection if he got in...............

And doesn't surprise me that he was originally rejected. If it were me I'd still make him go to the boyscouts. Hardly a difference except one ties knots and the other sells cookies.

[Senjou_Akira]

This world gets worse every second don't you think? -.-

[Archaic Devices]

I had a girl friend who was a boy scout. Nothing odd about it.

[Manhattan_Project_2000]

I had a girl friend who was a boy scout. Nothing odd about it.

I know Canada does this sort of thing* and I think some other scouting organizations do too, but I'm pretty sure Boy Scouts of America refuses. Then again, BSA is a pretty conservative organization, to the extent that if you admit to being an atheist it qualifies as grounds for expulsion. Which is garbage because the BSA is a government sponsored organization to the extent that the President is the honorary figurehead.

*- When I was 13ish we went on a CanAm scout trip where a bunch of Canadian and American scout units get together and goof around in the woods. Most of my scout unit (myself excluded, because I didn't care/wanted to sleep) absconded into the woods at night to meet up with and chat with some female boy scouts. Of course, they got caught and either got rounded up by the Explorers (read: older scouts more focused in one vocation, in this case police) or slipped away and back to camp.

[Hanamaru Kunikida]

I find it really silly a boy wants to be a girl scout the amount of discrimination about this is just unfair.

[RyuTama]

I wanted to be a boyscout. I knew the oath and everything. Much better than selling cookies outside of Walmart.

[DOOM!]

Oh-Emme-Gee111 somebody call the LGBA immediately, there's a spoiled kid in distress!

LGBA here to the rescue, with latex masks, whips and an overpowered position in govt! We'll teach them to be loving and tolerant by FORCE!

[RyuTama]

To be blunt you guys, I think there's a reason they're called "Boy Scouts" and "Girl Scouts"; they are separated intentionally. As with most things, there will obviously be special circumstances or exceptions, but if someone doesn't get their way, it seems pretty pointless to make it public, because, well, boys were meant to be in boy scouts, and girls were meant to be in girl scouts. I think that if that boy would have made it into girl scouts like he wanted, he may have become very uncomfortable, and as he grew up I'm sure his parents and the parents of the girls he was teamed up with would start being concerned (for obvious reasons).

Anyway, the boy didn't make it into girl scouts. That's unfortunate for him, but I'm sure he will eventually let it go. In High School and college, he'll probably even be thankful that he doesn't have to hide the fact that he was once a Girl Scout.

I was rejected from boy scouts. I was a bit put off when I was a kid, sure, but now I feel kinda stupid for it because I'm not a boy.

Edit: Lolwait so he was actually accepted? Well, good luck to him then...

[jamesedwards]

I don't see the benefit of a boy becoming a 'girl scout'. But there are a lot of negatives, both short and long term.

[Wio]

he has boy parts

The 8th deadly sin.

[RyuTama]

The 8th deadly sin.

I thought that went along with envy?

[Wio]

I thought that went along with envy?

Nope, it's standalone. It takes a good 5 years off life expectancy.

[catie]

Wow I'm amazed he didn't give into peer pressure. But won't it be weird for him to be the only boy in the group. He would regret it when he grows up.

[Gjallarhorn]

I was in the Boy Scounts for 3 years; it was horrible. At least the Girl Scouts get amazing cookies.

[solidarmor]

I don't think its so much about rules, other than the fact that this child is referring himself the female gender.

This child is already going to have a difficult time growing up with gender identification. But if Bobby wants to be a Girl scout because that is how he is identifying himself and his parents are ok with it why all the negativity?

I believe there have been instances where girls joined the Boy scouts, not because they identified themselves as being of the male gender...but because they wanted to make a big deal about it. "Anything you can do" double standard.

[wolfgirl90]

Bobby was INITIALLY rejected by the Girl Scouts but, as the article clearly points out, he was eventually accepted because apparently the Girl Scouts don't reject "girls" based on their "parts"; if the kid lives life as a girl, is raised like a girl and is presented to the Scouts as a girl, then they welcome them as girls. While the initial rejection was kinda understandable (this certainly doesn't happen very often), if the Scout leader had appealed to her supervisor (who apparently understands the policy about dealing with issues like this), this wouldn't have happened in the first place. Also, the Scout leader could have handled the situation a little better (according to several other articles, the leader made remarks about Bobby's "boy parts" and his name while he was still standing in front of her).

Apparently, as far as Bobby is concerned, he's a girl. According to his mom, he has known that we was a "girl" since he was very young (about 2 or 3). She went through the motions for years (buying him dolls, throwing him Tangled and pony parties), thinking that he would grow out of it, but then he wondered why he wasn't born a girl. So she started raising him as a girl. Which is where we are now.

I think its kinda funny that the Scout leader mentioned his "boy parts" considering the fact that, with his dress and Barbie, he kinda looks like a girl to begin with. As his mom pointed out, unless somebody told the other girls that Bobby was a boy, the only way anybody would know for sure that he had "boy parts" would be to pull his pants down; hell, the "boy parts" issue opens up a new can of worms (such as girls who actually have "boy parts").

I have seen girls on football teams. Guys in drag. At this point, a transgender boy in the Girl Scouts is rather benign compared to other things that I have seen.

Rules are there for a REASON? Girls should be in girlscouts and boys should be with boyscouts. Doesn't matter if your a tranny or gay or whatever that's just the way it is.

And girls should play with Barbies and boys should play with Power Rangers. Girls should have tea parties and boys should play pirate. Girls should be in home economics and boys should be in wood shop class. Girls should be cheerleaders and boys should play football. Girls should stay home and clean while boys go out and work. Girls should marry boys and boys should marry girls.

I think these were all "rules" at some point.

[blueangel06661]

And girls should play with Barbies and boys should play with Power Rangers. Girls should have tea parties and boys should play pirate. Girls should be in home economics and boys should be in wood shop class. Girls should be cheerleaders and boys should play football. Girls should stay home and clean while boys go out and work. Girls should marry boys and boys should marry girls.

I think these were all "rules" at some point.

Uh no? That's just hobbies and preferences. Not actual groups made up of all of GIRLS or BOYS. Hence the... oh I don't know...NAME? There's a fine line there.

And as for the football thing girls can't play on a co-ed football team except rare instances if they are a kicker. But they don't actually play the sport WITH boys. Girl scouts should be girls only and vice versa for boyscouts. Ewww all the cooties for ruining the system.

[wolfgirl90]

Uh no? That's just hobbies and preferences. Not actual groups made up of all of GIRLS or BOYS. Hence the... oh I don't know...NAME? There's a fine line there.

They may be hobbies and preferences, but there have been gender "rules" placed on them. People make a fit over gender lines being crossed about toys, classes, jobs (hell, the simple fact of HAVING a job), just like how people are making an issue over the scout issue. If a boy is wearing a dress or if a girl is wearing a suit (a man's suit, not a dress suit), then people raise eyebrows. Why? Because social norms dictate that it should be the other way around.

If there is a line, what is it then? While people are making a issue about how the two big scouting programs are separated by gender (and how they shouldn't mix), we have technically already crossed that line with co-ed scouting programs like Camp Fire USA and the Boy Scouts' Venturing program (girls can technically be in the Boy Scouts by becoming a Venturer). If we are simply talking about the rules of the organization itself, well, the Girl Scouts already stated their opinion on it (and it was posted and I repeated it).

Like I said before, if we are going to being exclusive based upon what "parts" someone has, then we have a separate issue to deal with, such as girls who identify themselves as girls but don't have girl parts (and vise-versa). Remember, the main argument that the Scout leader gave for rejecting Bobby was the fact that, despite his gender identification, he didn't have the proper equipment.

And as for the football thing girls can't play on a co-ed football team except rare instances if they are a kicker. But they don't actually play the sport WITH boys. Girl scouts should be girls only and vice versa for boyscouts. Ewww all the cooties for ruining the system.

I play on a co-ed football team; its part of the reason why I brought it up . And by definition, I do play WITH boys.

All of those "rules" that I brought up earlier were things that I had done personally (in some form).

And like I said before, the "system" has apparently already been "ruined" because the Girl Scouts already had a policy in place about transgender individuals and the Boy Scouts allow girls via the Venturing program.

I don't think it was ever established that only girls play with barbies, and only boys play with action figures.

Oh yes it has. The rule is still there. If a boy were to be seen playing with dolls, he is going to be teased for it (gender identification aside). Why? Because he is acting "like a girl" because only girls should play with dolls. Of course, there is an obvious double standard because most people won't say much of anything if a girl plays with a dragon figurine or something (they'll call her a tomboy) but if a boy plays with girl toys, he's a sissy or he's gay.

Insults that aren't directed at Bobby's mother are directed at Bobby himself, calling him a "freak", and this is for his wearing a dress and playing with dolls, not about his wanting to be a Girl Scout.

Talking about a boy entering a girl-exclusive group is completely different than talking about a boy who dresses in his mom's high heels for fun.

Indeed. However, there is also a difference between a boy who dresses in his mother's high heels for fun and one who dresses in high heels because he identifies himself as a girl.

And as I telling blueangel06661, if this about gender exclusivity in scouting, it has long been broken. If this about the rules of the scouting organizations, then there are already exceptions to those rules. The only difference is that we are dealing with someone who is transgender (a boy who believes that he's a girl), not someone who wants to break social norms in order to be a rebel, "to fight the system, man" (like a girl who wants to be a Boy Scout simply because she doesn't like Girl Scouts).

[blueangel06661]

They may be hobbies and preferences, but there have been gender "rules" placed on them. People make a fit over gender lines being crossed about toys, classes, jobs (hell, the simple fact of HAVING a job), just like how people are making an issue over the scout issue. If a boy is wearing a dress or if a girl is wearing a suit (a man's suit, not a dress suit), then people raise eyebrows. Why? Because social norms dictate that it should be the other way around.

No... There are boy barbies and girl power rangers. etc. etc. It's not about what you do personally. This is an all girls scout. Not all girls + boys who are confused...

If there is a line, what is it then? While people are making a issue about how the two big scouting programs are separated by gender (and how they shouldn't mix), we have technically already crossed that line with co-ed scouting programs like Camp Fire USA and the Boy Scouts' Venturing program (girls can technically be in the Boy Scouts by becoming a Venturer). If we are simply talking about the rules of the organization itself, well, the Girl Scouts already stated their opinion on it (and it was posted and I repeated it).

They may have stated theirs but myself and pretty much all the comments I read on the article pretty much said he shouldn't be there regardless. Girlscouts should be for people with a born BODY of a female and boy scouts should be for people with a born body of a male. Girls are girls and boys are boys at the end of the day no matter if you call yourself the other. Hell a person can call themselves a bunny rabbit but at the end of the day you're just a human. So HE should just so sign up for the boyscouts and be sassy there or just do nothing at all. Like I did.

Like I said before, if we are going to being exclusive based upon what "parts" someone has, then we have a separate issue to deal with, such as girls who identify themselves as girls but don't have girl parts (and vise-versa). Remember, the main argument that the Scout leader gave for rejecting Bobby was the fact that, despite his gender identification, he didn't have the proper equipment.

You either ARE or are NOT a girl. A boy "Identifying" himself as a girl still leaves him as a boy at the end of the day, Vice Versa. You can't run away from that. And honestly looking at the video and comments to me it sounds as if the mother of the child wanted a girl so she bought him all girl clothes/toys. Being a child who doesn't know the difference in what is normal for him to play with has accepted it as his fate at this age. Because really kids play with anything you give them up until they see other kids like them then they play with what the other kids play with. To me it seems like he was a victim of a girl wanted mother.

I play on a co-ed football team; its part of the reason why I brought it up . And by definition, I do play WITH boys.

Not professionally you don't..and never will.. College and pro football do not allow women to play with them. Sure there are female leagues of the same sport but those consist of.. Well... All females obviously.. Hence female league.. And I quit here. You write a whole novel.