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    Quote Originally Posted by Robin Sena View Post
    Who can say "karma," as you call it, may one day in the future bite back on Obama and the murderous SEALs that did their diry work, along with the rebels that did their thing on Kadafi?

    "Murderous SEALs" .. I take that very offensively being a Marine. I can't believe you just said that. Seal Team 6, did their job, they killed a man who laid countless people to rest. I applaud, Seal Team 6. May they rest in peace.

    I'm curious, what would you do if had, Gaddafi or Osama captured? Would you hold a trial, read him his rights, give him a bed and food to eat? Cause I'm almost 100% sure they wouldn't show our POW's that kindness. They would execute them and move on.

    Also, anyone who questioned Osama's fate, needs their head examined. He is just another person who received 'Karma'. Universal justice.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Equilibrium View Post
    "Murderous SEALs" .. I take that very offensively being a Marine. I can't believe you just said that. Seal Team 6, did their job, they killed a man who laid countless people to rest. I applaud, Seal Team 6. May they rest in peace.
    They did so without permission on the sovereign soil of a country the US is not at war with. This is pretty much the textbook definition of murder, namely "unlawful killing".

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    I'm curious, what would you do if had, Gaddafi or Osama captured? Would you hold a trial, read him his rights, give him a bed and food to eat? Cause I'm almost 100% sure they wouldn't show our POW's that kindness. They would execute them and move on.
    Prisoners of war should be treated according to the Geneva convention (which, among other things, means you can't gun down surrendering enemies). Failing to do so is a war crime. War criminals are tried in the war crimes tribunal in Hague. Even if the enemy does not respect the Geneva convention, there is no reason to stoop to their level. In fact, doing so is surrendering any sort of moral high-ground you may have in the conflict, turning you into yet another uncivilized brute.

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    Also, anyone who questioned Osama's fate, needs their head examined. He is just another person who received 'Karma'. Universal justice.
    He was assassinated without trial. That is not karma. That is not justice. That is barbarism, and a grave breach of the Geneva convention, which guarantees war criminals the right to a trial.

    It's important to realize that you can't stop savagery by stooping to the savage's level. Even if the savage dies, this means you shoulder his blood stained cloak, and now it's you that is the barbarian. Savagery can only be defeated with civilized behavior. This includes staying your sword and granting the criminals due process.
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    Default Re: Do You Believe In Revenge or Karma?

    It's natural to want revenge, but in the end, it really only makes things a lot worse. So, can't say I believe in Karma, either.

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    Default Re: Do You Believe In Revenge or Karma?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eris View Post
    They did so without permission on the sovereign soil of a country the US is not at war with. This is pretty much the textbook definition of murder, namely "unlawful killing".



    Prisoners of war should be treated according to the Geneva convention (which, among other things, means you can't gun down surrendering enemies). Failing to do so is a war crime. War criminals are tried in the war crimes tribunal in Hague. Even if the enemy does not respect the Geneva convention, there is no reason to stoop to their level. In fact, doing so is surrendering any sort of moral high-ground you may have in the conflict, turning you into yet another uncivilized brute.


    He was assassinated without trial. That is not karma. That is not justice. That is barbarism, and a grave breach of the Geneva convention, which guarantees war criminals the right to a trial.

    It's important to realize that you can't stop savagery by stooping to the savage's level. Even if the savage dies, this means you shoulder his blood stained cloak, and now it's you that is the barbarian. Savagery can only be defeated with civilized behavior. This includes staying your sword and granting the criminals due process.
    My sentiments exactly. Kudos for what you said, Eris. It's also how wars get started and it continues the cycle.
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    Default Re: Do You Believe In Revenge or Karma?

    Quote Originally Posted by SuXrys View Post
    - I do belive in both revenge and in karma.


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    Default Re: Do You Believe In Revenge or Karma?

    I do. I went outside in the unkown world, I did things as I pleased and got backstabbed.
    Though there are some things that happen to me in a negative way that I can't explain.
    Sometimes I tend to think I'm ''just'' unlucky, though I hope I can change it to something positive.
    Karma... yes. I will give you an example.
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    Default Re: Do You Believe In Revenge or Karma?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eris View Post
    They did so without permission on the sovereign soil of a country the US is not at war with. This is pretty much the textbook definition of murder, namely "unlawful killing".


    Under the United Nations Charter we are prohibitted from using force insde Pakistan without their consent.. Here is the catch.. The host country is both capable and willing to deal with problems itself. The U.S. was justified in concluding that Pakistan was unwilling or unable to stop the threat posed by Osama bin Laden, and that Pakistan's consent was not necessary.



    Quote Originally Posted by Eris View Post
    Prisoners of war should be treated according to the Geneva convention (which, among other things, means you can't gun down surrendering enemies). Failing to do so is a war crime. War criminals are tried in the war crimes tribunal in Hague. Even if the enemy does not respect the Geneva convention, there is no reason to stoop to their level. In fact, doing so is surrendering any sort of moral high-ground you may have in the conflict, turning you into yet another uncivilized brute.
    Protocol I to the Geneva Conventions, if someone is "hors de combat," or "outside the fight," then targeting even military objectives is a war crime. In other words, "Under the laws of war, you are allowed to target enemy fighters unless they are clearly surrendering or are disabled by injury.

    He showed no sign of surrendering they said.




    Quote Originally Posted by Eris View Post
    He was assassinated without trial. That is not karma. That is not justice. That is barbarism, and a grave breach of the Geneva convention, which guarantees war criminals the right to a trial.

    It's important to realize that you can't stop savagery by stooping to the savage's level. Even if the savage dies, this means you shoulder his blood stained cloak, and now it's you that is the barbarian. Savagery can only be defeated with civilized behavior. This includes staying your sword and granting the criminals due process.

    Osama and Al Qaeda are stateless combatants, in that they are claimed by no nation-state nor so they claim to be part of any. As such it is difficult to really apply legal concepts such as those in the Geneva Convention.

    Under international law, bin Laden is an enemy combatant. Shooting bin Laden is legal because it was not an "assassination" of a political leader but the killing of a military commander at best as part of an operation i.e. in a military combat. And, in a military combat, an enemy can be lawfully killed even if he is unarmed.
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    Default Re: Do You Believe In Revenge or Karma?

    So much for The Geneva Convention.

    Seriously though, did Jesus seek revenge on Herodias and Herod as well as the axman when John The Baptist lost his head? Did Jesus seek revenge on the Romans when they first scouraged, then crucified him? He could've done all that, but no--he said, "Father, forgive them, for they not know what they're doing." Nor was there such a belief on karma at hand for that matter. As such, I would not kill people. Nor would I harm them. I would rather lay down my life than take another's. You know, Jesus could have killed everyone who was after Him. He could have ousted the Romans and taken over the world. He could have lived forever imposing the Truth on everyone. That's what a lot of the Jews wanted. That's what the devil tempted Him with. Instead He died. What's with that? Well, if that's what Christ chose to do, that's what I'll do. Instead of turning to revenge and karma.
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    Yes, I believe in Kharma, and I believe in Dharma ("points" being added up from your previous life and used to help decide your situation when born into the next) as well. I try to live by two philosophical rules. 1.) "E'er mind the Rule of Three, for what you do comes back to thee;" and 2.) "If it harm none, do what you will." Basically, treat others how you would like to be treated, and if it has no effect on your life, leave be -- read: as long as the people involved are consenting adults, then I don't really concern myself with it.

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    Under the United Nations Charter we are prohibitted from using force insde Pakistan without their consent.. UNLESS.. The host country is both capable and willing to deal with problems itself. The U.S. was justified in concluding that Pakistan was unwilling or unable to stop the threat posed by Osama bin Laden, and that Pakistan's consent was not necessary.





    Protocol I to the Geneva Conventions, if someone is "hors de combat," or "outside the fight," then targeting even military objectives is a war crime. In other words, "Under the laws of war, you are allowed to target enemy fighters unless they are clearly surrendering or are disabled by injury.

    He showed no sign of surrendering they said.







    Osama and Al Qaeda are stateless combatants, in that they are claimed by no nation-state nor so they claim to be part of any. As such it is difficult to really apply legal concepts such as those in the Geneva Convention.

    Under international law, bin Laden is an enemy combatant. Shooting bin Laden is legal because it was not an "assassination" of a political leader but the killing of a military commander at best as part of an operation i.e. in a military combat. And, in a military combat, an enemy can be lawfully killed even if he is unarmed.
    And who can say, on the subject of karma, that karma may one day get back at Osama and the said SEALs, in the distant future?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robin Sena View Post
    And who can say, on the subject of karma, that karma may one day get back at Osama and the said SEALs, in the distant future?
    Well, the Seal's who entered the compound and killed, Osama, have allegedly been killed in a plane accident. But that could just be a cover up to protect them from retaliation.

    As for, Obama.. I can't really say he deserves any kind of, Karma. He is just doing what he thinks is best for our country.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Equilibrium View Post
    As for, Obama.. I can't really say he deserves any kind of, Karma. He is just doing what he thinks is best for our country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marvel_phoenix View Post
    Some people could really argue with you about that one.
    Meh, I'm talking about killing, Osama. And everyone is entitled to their own opinion.


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    Default Re: Do You Believe In Revenge or Karma?

    I don't believe in karma as a supernatural force as I am not a Budist by religion. I believe SOMETIMES something will happen to get a person back in the end but that usually comes from a person being cocky and getting bolder in what they do bad until someone finally catches them and the law dishes out the prescribed punishment. Alternatively it can come from a person making someone else ticked off and then they get revenge on the offending party. However I do not practice revenge myself as I believe getting revenge to be a sin. The only revenge that SHOULD happen is that which is dished out by God (in the Bible there's a verse which states "Vengeance is mine, sayeth the Lord") , but that's not "karma" as it isn't on an "action by action" basis. God punishes those who don't believe in Christ by sending them to hell, and by saving those who do believe in Christ by letting them get into Heaven. He doesn't in modern times exact revenge for each sin that a person commits (if he did, as he did in the Old Testament, then that would be a form of "karma" though I prefer to not use that word as it is specifically relating to the Budist religion).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Equilibrium View Post
    Well, the Seal's who entered the compound and killed, Osama, have allegedly been killed in a plane accident. But that could just be a cover up to protect them from retaliation.

    As for, Obama.. I can't really say he deserves any kind of, Karma. He is just doing what he thinks is best for the nation.
    I heard from the news the ones that died weren't the ones that went to Pakistan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robin Sena View Post
    I heard from the news the ones that died weren't the ones that went to Pakistan.

    Again, it could be a cover up for their own protection. Not to mention, Seal Team 6, is made up of more then.. I think 80 or so members. So it's really hard to say, without knowing the names of the, Seals who killed, Osama.


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    That makes sense; the irony is all that can't protect them from car crashes, cancer, food poisoning, robbery related muders, drugs, suicide, domestic murder or accident, nor plane crashes, and to top ot off, getting killed in action in a future mission--another example of karma.


    Pity they don't get to have ticker tape parades, let alone the talk show circuit.
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    i kinda believe in both.
    exacting revenge/punishment on someone that deserves it...... is good karma
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    karma.

    thank you momo!!!!!haha and thank you illu!
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    believe in karma and coffee : p
    seriously Karma is best

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    Revenge usually causing more trouble and does not help with anything.
    I believe that everything you do comes back to you. So basically I'm for Karma

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