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    Default I just felt like sharing this

    The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand.

    "You're a Christian, aren't you, son?"

    "Yes sir," the student says.

    "So you believe in God?"

    "Absolutely."

    "Is God good?"

    "Sure! God's good."

    "Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?"

    "Yes"

    "Are you good or evil?"

    "The Bible says I'm evil."

    The professor grins knowingly.. "Aha! The Bible!" He considers for a moment. "Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?"

    "Yes sir, I would."

    "So you're good....?"

    "I wouldn't say that."

    "But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't."

    The student does not answer, so the professor continues. 'He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Can you answer that one?"

    The student remains silent.

    "No, you can't, can you?" the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax. "Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?"

    "Er..yes," the student says.

    "Is Satan good?"

    The student doesn't hesitate on this one and replies, "No."

    "Then where does Satan come from?"

    The student falters. "From God"

    "That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?"

    "Yes, sir.."

    "Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?"

    "Yes"

    "So who created evil?" The professor continued, "If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil."

    Again, the student has no answer. "Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?"

    The student squirms on his feet. 'Yes.'

    "So who created them?"

    The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. "Who created them?" There is still no answer.

    Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized. "Tell me," he continues onto another student. "Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?"

    The student's voice betrays him and cracks. "Yes, professor, I do."

    The old man stops pacing. "Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?"

    "No sir, I've never seen Him."

    "Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?"

    "No, sir, I have not."

    "Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?"

    "No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't."

    "Yet you still believe in him?"

    "Yes"

    "According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?"

    "Nothing," the student replies. "I only have my faith."

    "Yes, faith," the professor repeats. "And that is the problem science has with God.. There is no evidence, only faith."

    The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of His own. "Professor, is there such thing as heat?"

    "Yes."

    "And is there such a thing as cold?"

    "Yes, son, there's cold too."

    "No sir, there isn't."

    The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain. "You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit down to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees. Everybody or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it."

    Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer.

    What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?"

    "Yes," the professor replies without hesitation. "What is night if it isn't darkness?"

    "You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word. In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?"

    The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester. "So what point are you making, young man?"

    "Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed."

    The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. "Flawed? Can you explain how?"

    "You are working on the premise of duality," the student explains. "You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it. Now tell me, professor... Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?"

    "If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do."

    "Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?"

    The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.

    "Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?"

    The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided.

    "To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean." The student looks around the room. "Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?" The class breaks out into laughter. "Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir. So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?"

    Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable. Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers, "I guess you'll have to take them on faith."

    "Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life," the student continues. "Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?"

    Now uncertain, the professor responds, "Of course, there is. We see it every day. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil."

    To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is
    just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light."

    The professor sat down.





    PS: The student was Albert Einstein.
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    Default Re: I just felt like sharing this

    Uh, Einstein was Jewish and agnostic, just so you know. Not that it really matters. He was a physicist, not a theologian.

    I fail to understand why people feel the need to attribute these things to Einstein. If the message doesn't stand on it's own without being attributed to some famous person, then the message isn't worth reading.
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    Default Re: I just felt like sharing this

    I won't lie, some of them kind of p*ssed me off a little but I'm aware that religion and science don't do well at all. Kind of like an oil and water deal.
    If you just ask me about this, science I think, is all man made thing that man wants to find out reason why things are the way it is. Religion is more of a way how to live life with good principles and give some kind of hope in life.
    Not trying to shove it all down peoples' throats, fyi.

    "So who created evil?" The professor continued, "If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil."
    God created everything, but evil was done out of His own control. We have a free will that God gave to us, I mean God COULD make us be controlled under him but He didn't. I guess that professor (and maybe anyone) think that God did "bad" things for just the sake of it. It just happens, but its us as humans to decide what is right and wrong than blame that things ended this way.

    btw, evil is an action caused by one's choice where as good is just like the same thing when you make good choices. What those two have in common is that its done by your own will.
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    it was an interesting debate, but i can't agree with the closing statement
    "Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is
    just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light."


    this implies that all atheists are evil, and i don't/can't agree with that.
    i'm atheist, and i'm not evil at all...... imho.
    in fact, i do good deeds on a regular basis, and i enjoy helping others.
    also, there are plenty of other "good/non-evil" atheists out there.

    on a side note, read my quote.
    "If you talk to God, you are praying. If God talks to you, you have schizophrenia."

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    Default Re: I just felt like sharing this

    It's the "You can't prove he doesn't exist so he does" approach again. wake me up when the world grows a brain.

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    Default Re: I just felt like sharing this

    I don't know how many freaking times I have seen this story (I read "atheist professor of philosophy.." and immediately knew what this was) and I am a little sick of it.

    Like Eris said, Einstein wasn't the student in the story; hell, neither the student nor the professor can be accurately attributed to any one person (I once read that the student was Dr. A.P.J Abdul Kalam, the "Missile Man of India"). In fact, it appears that this story is made up, a modern day parable involving a religious student one-upping a (rather annoying) atheist philosophy professor.

    Religious people tend to get frustrated trying to explain their believes (or rather, the validity of them) to those who don't believe. And this often happens randomly (versus someone trying to convert another person to religion), so this story appears to have been made to appeal to them, with Einstein thrown in to increase the intelligence of the student and to make the story more believable and valid.
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    Default Re: I just felt like sharing this

    Personally, people should be allowed to believe what they want without having to worry about others trying to crush their beliefs. If someone believes in god, let them, it's not harming anyone, and not all religious folk try to shove it down other's throats. I'm not religious, but my family is and I have friends who are, just like I have friends who are atheist.

    I just didn't really like the idea of the story, where the professor tries to down the kid's beliefs.

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