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I come from a family that has severed proudly in the military (brothers in the Navy and Army currently) I have not one problem with the repeal of "Don't ask, don't tell" Of course there will be discrimation amoung the ranks in the service. It's not right but that's just the way it is. I think its a great idea to futher open the door so that those willing to sacrifice their time and their lives for this country can serve openly. I don't believe a flamboyant homosexual is going to stay flamboyant in the military for very long. It's your superior officers job to break you down and build you back up. Again, I think it is wonderful that they repealed "Don't ask, don't tell" but I fear for the discimiation within the military that will come of it.
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I don't tell you to go out and become shot, but it's always someone who starts it all. Were exacly do you live?
But then Jonathan said it was something he must do, even if it was dangerous. ‘Why?’ I wondered.
‘Otherwise you’re not a human being but just a piece of dirt’ said Jonathan." Jonathan to Scotty, from The Brothers Lionheart (1973)
Well, have you done anything?
If you don't think that internet campains works, then why doing something else? Why not go and stand infront of the white house, holding a speech, while standing on a box? Opinions does change things, not only money. If a opinion is strong enough then even the most selfish politican can ignore that fact.
Go and join the politics and fight the system from inside, it will do much more then just talking negative about it on a internet forum.
Besides, being active in politics is fun!
Oh no... don't come talking about the mormons! I will just start thinking about South Park! .... burp to late! Noooooo! xD
Now my dreams of this night are ruined, thank you very much.
Well Im glad you don't think the way you were raised, since homosexuals don't have any "sins" to begin with.
I think that, about being afraid that they will be blackmailed, that everything will take time to get used to. In the beginning then sure people will behave like something dumb that a dog found in the trashes, but then the only thing that you really can do is to ignore them or telling them to behave like normal people, to make them stop. If you don't give wood to smoke then it will not become a fire, it will die and disapear. After awhile homosexuals in the military will not be a strange thing. Everything just takes time to get used to, it's natural. It's up to you as a human being to help homosexuals being open with their sexuality if that is what they want to. If you hear someone talk bad about something like that, like talking bad about homosexuals in the army exc, then you have to take responsibility to stand up and tell them that they are wrong, and not being afraid to do so. It's the only way to do things the right way. Both for their well being and for your own, not stand up and tell people what you think only makes you feel bad. Atleast that is how I feel, and I hope others feel the same way.
No one should be less valued because they are homosexuals. It's just as natural as being straight.
Everyone is created in one way and the only thing you can do is to accept that fact.
Sorry if the text is full of wrongs, but it's really late here and im to tired to correct it / and to tired to even see all flaws at the moment.
Have you discussed this new happening in your family?
No matter where you live, it works pretty much the same. Try hard enough, and things will change. Just look at the history when woman got to vote.
I have relatives living outside New York, so I know some of how it is there since we talk to them now and then, and they are visiting us also sometimes.
I still think that being active in the politics is a better way then doing nothing.
I think if the opinion is strong enough they have to reduce their income. But at the moment the opinion and the "force" against it isn't strong enough. People didn't thought that the system with the monarchy would ever change in old Russia either, and see just how that workt out. People even stormed the winterpalace to make their voices heard ... Now atleast it isn't an monarchy. Things do change if you stand up to it strongly enough, I really don't think that it's a fact to be denied.
Has anyone heard about the Justice Department's $16 muffins? That's 2 days' worth of food money for me!! Outrageous!
If an entire department can conspicuously waste money like this, I really have absolutely no hope for individual politicians.
On the news, almost everything is about the government and politics, and almost every piece is negative, (some on the President, some on the Democrats, some on the Republicans, and some on everyone.) When people are angry, a news station had better find someone or some organization to place the blame. Besides, there really is no happy story about the gov't to share right now...
This is the American government in a nutshell:
Picture a kindergarten class. This said kindergarten class is explaining to their teacher (the American public) that another child has broken the teacher's prized vase (we'll let that vase be the American Economy) Now let's say that the class is then divided into two groups (the republicans and the democrats) and each group is shouting and accusing the other group of the damage. Then, one student from each group is selected to be the "leader." Now these two students are talking with their groups quietly to form a reasonable and plausible story to tell the teacher about the vase (This would be the time where the two parties are preparing for their campaign after selecting a candidate for each party.) They then explain their sides to the teacher and the teacher selects a side that is most believable. The party that is selected will show off and try to be the good students. At the end of the day, however, they all return to being little kids who cry for their juice and a nap. They never change and never will. Does that make any sense to any of our non-American members here who had any question about the American government?
I face palm at suXrys. This is why I have a hatred for Norwegians. They come from a "perfect" society and they just do not understand how things are in america. What you think is normal and what actually is are two different things. What you're used to being subject to and what we are used to being subject to on daily basis's are two very different things. It's like asking a white rich guy what's it like living in the projects. They don't know. All they know is what they hear on TV. It's very different you just don't compare it. You guys are not used to all the mass crime or government walking all over you or anything.
I'll tell you right now. Campaigning and petitioning all that jazz is bologna. In fact petitions never work and I like to believe they don't exist. My brother is a politician so I know first hand how much it doesn't work. You can rally up in front of the white house all you want but nothing is going to happen. You can speak into a microphone all you want but people are going to walk right past you. People do not stop and listen these days. And even if they did listen at the end of the week they'll have forgotten they were even listening to you and what you talked about. If you do not understand America try not to get into it's politics. Stick to your own government.
Anyways. I'm thrilled about the don't ask don't tell. It made me happy for my gay friends! Growing up there wasn't much they could do. But slowly and surely the rest of the world is opening up to them and slowly accepting them and that's amazing. They are your brothers. sisters. neighbors. friends. I don't understand why the world shuns them because they kiss someone with the same body parts.
I spent the last 2 days "debating" this subject of FB.
Bloody religious people annoy me.
Religion starts wars.
The "baddest" thing that happened in Norway was that Bank Assault, something that happens 23123123123123 here, and not to mention it was a hot topic throughout a few years, according to Kazuha.
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EDIT: Of course, we had this conversation before the drastic and horrible terrorism attack in Oslo back in the summer. My friend and I were having a serious discussion about it.
Im not from Norway. How you can mix up norwegians with swedes is a mystery to me.
But I get the point, America is another country that Im not used to, but I still don't understand how it can be so hard to actually do anything. Just the thing with just complaining and not do anything yourself annoys me to the end of this world! But I don't think that I feel that way just because I am from Sweden, absolutly not, but rather I would say it's because I am political active myself and thus want others to be the same. Even if you say it doesn't work my whole soul still screams "but do something then!" but again.... I guess it's the "politican" in me speaking.
Also I don't get why you hate us from nothern Europe, Isn't that a bit harsh? Specially since I don't get the feeling that you have been here either and thus don't know if this "perfect" sociaty is so "perfect" after all.... I sure don't think that, and I am the one living here.
Crime still happens here, you just don't hear them all. But uh, don' talk about that attack... That just one man can carry so much hate inside and actually do something so terrible still makes me feel awful inside. One of the survivors had a blog where she wrote about the attack and that just made me cry so much. So it was on the american news aswell? huh, didn't knew that.
Last edited by SuXrys; 09-23-2011 at 03:29 PM. Reason: my english grammar makes me cry...
Blue's aversion towards Scandinavians is kinda silly, but I somewhat understand where she's coming from. You guys don't really get the stuff some that happens here because your society is actually calmer.
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