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    North Carolina will put an amendment banning same-sex marriage on the ballot in May after the state's House and Senate passed the measure.
    The measure cleared the Senate by a vote of 30-16, according to Mark Johnson, spokesperson for governor's office. On Monday the House also passed the measure by a vote of 76-41.


    If the constitutional amendment is approved by voters during the primary in May, North Carolina would become the final state in the Southeast to add a constitutional amendment regarding same-sex marriage.
    Proponents of the measure said they felt it was important that the amendment be added so that it would protect the state's policy on gay marriage. North Carolina currently has a ban on same-sex marriage, but legislators are seeking to protect that ban by chiseling it into their constitution.
    “We think the people of this state – not judges, bureaucrats, or politicians – should define marriage, which I personally believe should be between one man and one woman," Senate President Pro Tem Phil Berger said in a statement after the measure passed. "We look forward to eight months of healthy debate before voters decide this issue at the polls.”
    full article: http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/13...n-2012-ballot/

    like, wth? same-sex marriage is already banned in the state. they want to make it 'super-banned' now? what a total waste of time.

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    America honestly makes me sick, sometimes. First we were discriminatory against different races, and now we're discriminating against a sexual orientation. People are people, regardless of their own personal traits or preferences. It's the differences that should eventually come to bind us together.

    The Bible? No offense to the religious here, but isn't there a section (right next to the verse that claims homosexuality as a sin), that says that eating freaking shellfish is also considered an abomination?

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    Rep. Dale Folwell, a Republican, said the vote is really about allowing the people to have control of their own constitution.
    Yes, because the fact that you live in a predominantly Republican state in no way affects what the results of the poll will be. I bet you would still propose this if you were in a Democratic state, ya? It would be fine either way, because it's the people (not the government, of course not) who have control over the constitution.

    If you ask me, they should apply the whole Equal Opportunity Employment deal to everything in general; if they let the disabled get married, if they let those with different ethnicities or religions get married, then why not let homosexuals marry? This is the Land of Opportunity, isn't it?

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    Default Re: NC tries to ban gay marriage constitutionally

    Just glad I don't live in a conservative/red state. I can side with Republicans when it comes to fiscal policies, but the Republicans' stand on social policies really turn me away. On the other hand, my governor will sponsor a gay marriage bill next year (following NY's lead), and I think it's got a pretty good chance of passing, so that'll even out with what silly North Carolina is trying to do.

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    People just don't like what they don't understand. And deem what they don't understand as unnatural. Then because it's unnatural to them it must be evil and as such must be stopped. And has anyone noticed that it's really only christians against it? I don't mean all christians are but it still doesn't change the fact. And if you confront them about it they just go in circles and sort of avoid the question and bring up the bible every two seconds. It's like they can't think for themselves. There's also the fact the bible is nearly 2000 years old. Culture and society has changed since then. I guarantee if the bible was written today it'd be very different. These people just can't seem to think for themselves and listen to whatever some talk show/radio host tells them and doesn't question any of it or ask the basic question of why.

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    Default Re: NC tries to ban gay marriage constitutionally

    Sometimes im so glad that I am not an american. How people even can think about wanting to discriminate people like that is so unreal for me.

    Havn't we come further then this? It's a new centuary now! You think people would think another step and not base all their choices on some old book, but (if they now are religious) instead see it as a guideline but look at it threw the eyes of today. The bible was written for the people 2000 years ago, you have to look at it with updated eyes if you don't want things like that article to happend.
    If the bible was written today, instead of when it actually was written, I am convinced that it would look different just as @GameGeeks said.

    If God exist I don't think he hates homosexuals because he was in that case the one who created them. So he intended them to be like that. I mean.... even amoung other animals (almost every species have been found to have it - everything from apes to worms) homosexuality is something that exists! It's natural so saying that it's un-natural is just a proof of being ignorant and/or un-educated.
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    Default Re: NC tries to ban gay marriage constitutionally

    The Bible is a horrible thing to use.

    America isn't horrible.
    Certian people in America are.




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    Default Re: NC tries to ban gay marriage constitutionally

    Quote Originally Posted by ★ Tobifreed ★ View Post
    The Bible is a horrible thing to use.

    Doesn't that depend on how you use it? Most of the ten commandments isn't bad and such.

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    Default Re: NC tries to ban gay marriage constitutionally

    Quote Originally Posted by RyuTama View Post
    America honestly makes me sick, sometimes.
    North Carolina is not the entirety of America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuXrys View Post
    Doesn't that depend on how you use it? Most of the ten commandments isn't bad and such.
    well, my take on that is that "don't kill", "don't steal", etc, should come off as pretty common sense things.

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    Default Re: NC tries to ban gay marriage constitutionally

    It apalls me that people are so petty about lettings others live as they wish to.
    But regarding Christianity, there was a survey here in Australia recently indicating more Christians were for gay marriage then against. To me it seems that the problem lies with those in power - a bunch of old people that can't get over the hang-ups they were raised with. Fortunately as old people they'll die sooner rather then later.

    If people are going to be so strict about homosexuality due to what the bible says, they should also be against any sex not for the purpose of procreation and also avoid certain foods such as delicious bacon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeschylus View Post
    North Carolina is not the entirety of America.
    But North Carolina isn't the only part of America that discriminates. I was in the heart of California when Prop 8 was passed; it wasn't pretty. I realize that not every other country is all fair and nice to their people, but it just doesn't make much sense to me how we claim to be the "Land of Opportunity", when a lot of the time, we seem to be evoking a lot of opportunities to only a select group of people; first it was women and African-Americans, and now homosexuals are the primary focus of discrimination.

    "The Land of Opportunity (so long as you're straight)"

    Really now? I don't get it. I was merely using NC as an example of how the US as a whole really needs to open up its mind.

    Of course, this is all my opinion. Everyone else can think or say as they please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuTama View Post
    Really now? I don't get it. I was merely using NC as an example of how the US as a whole really needs to open up its mind.
    The problem with the US is that we have a strong sense of state identity vs. federal union. The states have become so polarized in recent years that when you move to a different state it's like moving to a different country altogether. (For example, no Democratic presidential nominees would bother campaigning in CA or NY, just like no Republican nominees would in Texas or Arizona.) Because the states value their own identity and ideologies so much, that it's hard for us to come up with a national resolution on anything.

    So yea, many people in the US need to open up their mind, but the US as a single entity is more complicated than it looks. Massachusetts rivals many European countries when it comes to open-mindedness, while some other states can be as conservative as some African country.

    Eventually, we'll probably need the Supreme Court to settle this once and for all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by animeyay View Post
    So yea, many people in the US need to open up their mind, but the US as a single entity is more complicated than it looks. Massachusetts rivals many European countries when it comes to open-mindedness, while some other states can be as conservative as some African country.

    Eventually, we'll probably need the Supreme Court to settle this once and for all.
    historically speaking, what happens in New England, usually trickles down to become the rest of the nation. which is usually why I'm optimistic on social issues like these.
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    Default Re: NC tries to ban gay marriage constitutionally

    @RyuTama Yeah, the term land of oppertunity hasn't applied to us in a very long time. The better phrase today would be The land of the rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuTama View Post
    But North Carolina isn't the only part of America that discriminates. I was in the heart of California when Prop 8 was passed; it wasn't pretty. I realize that not every other country is all fair and nice to their people, but it just doesn't make much sense to me how we claim to be the "Land of Opportunity", when a lot of the time, we seem to be evoking a lot of opportunities to only a select group of people; first it was women and African-Americans, and now homosexuals are the primary focus of discrimination.

    "The Land of Opportunity (so long as you're straight)"

    Really now? I don't get it. I was merely using NC as an example of how the US as a whole really needs to open up its mind.

    Of course, this is all my opinion. Everyone else can think or say as they please.
    Explain to me how not not marrying detracts from someone's opportunities?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GameGeeks View Post
    @RyuTama Yeah, the term land of oppertunity hasn't applied to us in a very long time. The better phrase today would be The land of the rich.
    I wouldn't really say that... especially with the economy in the shape its in (although, who do we get to blame for that :X). Sure, there are plenty of people who are much better off than the majority of America, but that's simply because there's not much to compare it with. The middle class is being stretched farther than ever in the recent years; most citizens are either high class or lower class it seems. You're either wallowing in money or you're barely making it by. It's mainly because the government (there's that nasty word again), decides to either provide benefits to the wealthy, or make itself look good by providing for those suffering from poverty.

    Then again, I'm not even 20 years old, so I don't pretend to know everything about politics or economics; this is just what I see going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeschylus View Post
    Explain to me how not not marrying detracts from someone's opportunities?
    For reference. Although, I never knew about this passage toward the bottom,

    If you are in a same-sex marriage in one of the states where same-sex marriage is allowed (Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont, and D.C.), or if you are in a domestic partnership or civil union in any of the states that offer those relationship options, none of the benefits of marriage under federal law will apply to you, because the federal government does not recognize these same-sex relationships. For example, you may not file joint federal income tax returns with your partner, even if your state allows you to file taxes jointly. And other federal benefits, such as Social Security death benefits and COBRA continuation insurance coverage, may not apply.
    I stand somewhat corrected I suppose, but this passage just seems to irritate me more.

    Aside from legal benefits and the like, there's the simple fact that many homosexuals are already deprived of their freedom of expression and personal preference. In a lot of people's eyes, marriage is what defines someone as a complete, independent person, I guess you would say (or at least this is what I was raised believing). If someone is in a relationship that lasts and lasts without ever escalating into a officially recognized marriage, then a lot of people could view that relationship as something not worth having; a waste of time. This applies to hetero and homosexual couples. I actually have a cousin who refuses to marry, even though she already has two children with the same man, and everyone in my family strongly disapproves. ...But that's besides the point.

    In short, not being able to marry makes homosexual couples appear to have nothing but meaningless relationships.

    And then, there's the dispute about the whole "sex before marriage" deal. Couples, regardless of sexual orientation, will have sex, yes? Whether during marriage or out of wed-lock, people's opinions and views vary. But what about the homosexual couples that aren't given the opportunity to marry? Does having sex out of wedlock even put more "sin" on their shoulders, even though they're "already going to hell"?

    The whole idea just makes homosexuals look like uncivilized beasts; which is wrong.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuTama View Post
    there's the simple fact that many homosexuals are already deprived of their freedom of expression and personal preference.
    Being married expresses something? Not marrying prevents people from choosing who they would like to take to the carnal carnival?

    Quote Originally Posted by RyuTama View Post
    In a lot of people's eyes, marriage is what defines someone as a complete,independent person, I guess you would say (or at least this is what I was raised believing). If someone is in a relationship that lasts and lasts without ever escalating into a officially recognized marriage, then a lot of people could view that relationship as something not worth having; a waste of time. This applies to hetero and homosexual couples. In short, not being able to marry makes homosexual couples appear to have nothing but meaningless relationships.
    So, signing a contract makes the relationship valid, gives it actual meaning?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeschylus View Post
    Being married expresses something?
    It expresses that the relationship between two people is accepted and approved.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aeschylus View Post
    Not marrying prevents people from choosing who they would like to take to the carnal carnival?
    I don't recall saying that. Don't put words in my mouth, please.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aeschylus View Post
    So, signing a contract makes the relationship valid, gives it actual meaning?
    To some, no. To others, yes. To homosexuals, I'm sure they would very much appreciate having their relationships accepted by the state. If I were wanting to marry someone the same sex as I, I would feel rather betrayed by my people for denying my right and desire to marry the person I love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuTama View Post
    It expresses that the relationship between two people is accepted and approved.
    So, being married expresses that the state approves of the relationship?

    Quote Originally Posted by RyuTama View Post
    there's the simple fact that many homosexuals are already deprived of their freedom of expression and personal preference.
    I don't recall saying that. Don't put words in my mouth, please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeschylus View Post
    So, being married expresses that the state approves of the relationship?
    Have I been missing something?

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    I was referring to their sexual preference, not where they chose to take their partners for entertainment. T.T

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    So, being married expresses that the state approves of the relationship?
    In a way, yes, they should be able to receive all the benefits a man and a women get. Such as the right to make medical decisions, joint taxes, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuTama View Post
    I was referring to their sexual preference, not where they chose to take their partners for entertainment. T.T
    Carnal carnival = sex/ sexual relationship

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeschylus View Post
    What is gained from having the state approve of the relationship?
    All those legal benefits and the like that I stated earlier, perhaps?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aeschylus View Post
    Carnal carnival = sex/ sexual relationship
    Thank you for clearing that up.

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    I hate to say this but considering America is suppose to be a country that 'brings democracy' to the rest of the world it sure loves dictating to it's own citizens on what they can and can't do. It's essentially Nazi Germany except its in disguise and I wouldn't be supprised if they started a holocaust of their own.......oh wait they already are in the middle east with the supposed war on terror. I think you'll find that the simplest way of stopping terrorism is by getting rid of the reason why terrorists act under which is the invasion of the Middle east.

    Wake up America from your paranoid slumber, the whole world isn't after you its just that you are making your own enemies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aether View Post
    I hate to say this but considering America is suppose to be a country that 'brings democracy' to the rest of the world it sure loves dictating to it's own citizens on what they can and can't do.
    North Carolina will put an amendment banning same-sex marriage on the ballot in May after the state's House and Senate passed the measure.
    Oh yes, giving people something to vote on is highly undemocratic.

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