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    Default Re: Wolf XIII: Digimon Edition

    Uh... is it just me or would PMs really just create another level to the intrigue of the game?

    You shouldn't consider anything you receive in a PM from another player to be automatically true any more than you consider anything posted in thread to be automatically true. There is nothing preventing the mafia from sending PMs to townies to wig them out. Even if a seer is able to confirm an individual's identity, that individual has no reason to trust such a revelation received in PM. After all, the mafia know everyone who's not a part of their faction too. Unless they have reason to believe that individual is acting pro-town, they have no reason to give credence to any information received in a PM.

    Alice and Bob are mafia; Charlie is a vanilla townie. On night 3, Bob sends a PM telling Charlie 'Hey I know you're not scum because my Seer Powers told me so. Also you can trust Alice.' Charlie reads through the posts from the first couple of days. Alice doesn't really seem to do much but Bob seems fairly town, pressuring people, asking good questions.

    Should Charlie trust this information or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aranneas View Post
    Uh... is it just me or would PMs really just create another level to the intrigue of the game?
    Just you. xD

    You're not really getting it. But I give up explaining this, I'm just gonna play half-assed because I can't do nothing about it, I mean, since I am not participating in these PM fiasco I am going to be at a disadvantage anyways. Probably just post to make the vote, because it so much fun that way.

    It's Wolf 8 all over for me...looking forward to it.
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    Default Re: Wolf XIII: Digimon Edition

    Let's face it, no matter which route we go, there will always be people who are unhappy with it. Therefore, I say we just let the majority decide. Maybe the host should call a vote after the signup closes?

    Personally, I'd like everyone to keep all discussions in the thread without the use of external communication, but but seeing that the majority is reluctant to change our current form of playing, I really don't want to force anything on anyone.

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    Default Re: Wolf XIII: Digimon Edition

    Quote Originally Posted by Kαitou View Post
    Just you. xD

    You're not really getting it. But I give up explaining this, I'm just gonna play half-assed because I can't do nothing about it, I mean, since I am not participating in these PM fiasco I am going to be at a disadvantage anyways. Probably just post to make the vote, because it so much fun that way.

    It's Wolf 8 all over for me...looking forward to it.
    well to be quite honest I've never been in one with a completely free PM system so I'll just assume you're right

    I kind of want to join a game but no posts whatsoever does not sound like much fun to me either >_>

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aranneas View Post
    well to be quite honest I've never been in one with a completely free PM system so I'll just assume you're right

    I kind of want to join a game but no posts whatsoever does not sound like much fun to me either >_>
    It's not like there will be no post but all the action will be held via PMs and if you are going to play like me, refuse to PMing or read PMs then you're pretty much doomed.


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    Default Re: Wolf XIII: Digimon Edition

    Quote Originally Posted by Kαitou View Post
    There's no such things Wolf vs. Mafia, because WOLF is MAFIA. Even Shini said it, he decided to call it "Wolf" because it fits more in an Anime Forum than "Mafia". But it's the same game, dear.
    Yeah, I know - AF's wolf and NF's mafia are two versions of the same game. But I think they're still different enough for me to refer to the debate as wolf vs. mafia for the time being.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kαitou View Post
    See Maverick, you not wanting PMs will put you in a huge disadvantage because you will be behind everything.

    It happened to me on Wolf 8, no one, not a single person was talking to me and not even on the thread....I didn't even know what was going on. O_o It was boring as hell for me. And now that I am against it, it's gonna be worse.
    It could be a disadvantage but it's still better than to pm back and have what seems to be like a hollow victory now - and I'm sorry that happened Kaitou D:

    Quote Originally Posted by Aranneas View Post
    Even if a seer is able to confirm an individual's identity, that individual has no reason to trust such a revelation received in PM. After all, the mafia know everyone who's not a part of their faction too. Unless they have reason to believe that individual is acting pro-town, they have no reason to give credence to any information received in a PM.
    Well players get a character role with their general role, for example “You are Kari (townie)”. If a player didn't tell their character role to anyone and the seer checks them, all the seer has to do is tell that player they are Kari, a regular townie, and that player will probably trust them. But some of us are trying to play so all the info you need to play is in the thread so there's no inside information hidden from you.
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    @maverickgirl
    I'll just see how I do here because, in Wolf 8 I wasn't trying to be left behind now I am 110% not PMing people so I bet it's going to be a lot worse to be in my position.

    Yeah, the Seer can secretly leak info behind people's back. I don't call that an strategy, I call it a very cheap and weak tactic. You're not suppose to form an ultimate freaking alliance.

    Mafia/Wolf is a Detective game, you use your own deduction skills and that's how you develop a good scum radar, not a game where you gather a few buddies and form alliances. Again, because you're not really suppose to strategize, you are supposed to look hard through the post to get a lead of who might actually be scum.

    ---------- Post added at 09:39 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:38 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Kαitou View Post
    So at the beginning of the game, I was revealed as Kurama from Yu Yu Hakusho thanks to my little silly but good friend @The Butcher who was Storm from X-Men. One of his (her<Storm>) abilities was to publicly expose a players role and The Butcher chose to expose me, so everyone knew I was Kurama and all my abilities. Later, a user by the name of Sphyer, the original Seto Kaiba died because he killed Mafia/Wolf. (The ability was, if the Mafia dies he doesn't die alone, he dies with his killer). So a member by the name of Friday whose ability was to give an alive the player of a dead player, he chose me. So I was no longer Kurama but Seto Kaiba - The Best Role in the game (heck, the best role I ever had). So ever since then, three members by the name of Kue, Vash TS and gumy2ms wanted me dead. At first I was going with it until they insisted that people should kill me because I was recruited by the Strawhats, and they didn't trusted we were pro-town. I was so suspicious of them because of how bad they didn't trusted me and wanted me dead so I decided to purchase a kill on them but it didn't work because Darth Vader was controlling all my moves. So I died later on the game, so did Darth Vader. Later on my three suspects that wanted me dead..you know what they ended up being? MAFIA (WOLVES)!

    I was right. So yeah, PMing people is useless. People can get their own information by actually trying. And it's actually how you become a better player. AND IT WAS A BLAST!
    Again, explaining how it can be done. People just have to try.


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    Default Re: Wolf XIII: Digimon Edition

    Quote Originally Posted by Kαitou View Post
    Just you. xD

    You're not really getting it. But I give up explaining this, I'm just gonna play half-assed because I can't do nothing about it, I mean, since I am not participating in these PM fiasco I am going to be at a disadvantage anyways. Probably just post to make the vote, because it so much fun that way.

    It's Wolf 8 all over for me...looking forward to it.
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    Default Re: Wolf XIII: Digimon Edition

    All it takes is a little effort. One game I was working 50ish hours a week and had social commitments on top of that and I still made the effort to PM people and got replies from most of them. And as Wolves/Independents can play other players through PM as has been said there's a level of complexity to it.

    If any do play purposely half assed, it's in effect sabotaging the game for those on their side and what would make a repeat of past horrible games. I hope few are that petty.

    Oh and though riding a bike bears little in common with a forum game, to answer that question, I never rode with training wheels. But I never really found constant conventional rules all that interesting after a while anyway - you should see the bastarised version of rugby the lads here play - so much more fun then the actual game - others have had the same idea, look at all the different codes of football each with different rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furore View Post
    All it takes is a little effort. One game I was working 50ish hours a week and had social commitments on top of that and I still made the effort to PM people and got replies from most of them. And as Wolves/Independents can play other players through PM as has been said there's a level of complexity to it.

    If any do play purposely half assed, it's in effect sabotaging the game for those on their side and what would make a repeat of past horrible games. I hope few are that petty.
    You haven't played other games outside that mentality. Actually, yeah, the wolves can play the townies in-thread. It's up to the townies to press that member if for them they sound suspicious.

    See, you even said it, with Scruffy posting the PMS in-thread, people will stop trusting him and he will be out of the loop when he's actually doing the right thing --not keeping everything a secret.

    Quote Originally Posted by Furore View Post
    Oh and though riding a bike bears little in common with a forum game, to answer that question, I never rode with training wheels. But I never really found constant conventional rules all that interesting after a while anyway - you should see the bastarised version of rugby the lads here play - so much more fun then the actual game - others have had the same idea, look at all the different codes of football each with different rules.
    Read your own post, bro.
    Quote Originally Posted by Furore View Post
    Hey now, you saw that last game! By the time they did (mainly thanks to my screw up) the game was pretty much theirs. XD
    Because we can't play the advance way(without the training wheels), you want to back out to the coward way and send PMs also known as the training wheels.

    But since you built your game way before, then I guess it's okay, it doesn't really matter since starting from Xey, zero communication will be in place. =P

    As for for your rugby football statement---just so you know, @Scruffy , @The Butcher and myself---players that played almost 4 games here and some games on NF(Scruffy) and over 20+ games (Butcher and me) like the way we're trying to present more. And we have some members that like the idea as well, because it's really more challenging.

    The PMing idea will also be stop us from using many awesome and new roles, for example; the Janitor, is a Mafia/Wolf role that covers up death, for example...

    Wolves killed Furore[???]

    [???] hiding your role from everyone because you have been janitor'd.

    Okay, let's say the Seer already has his little alliance so that player was either part of the alliance or checked that player, in case of the latter, that player(seer) will just PM everyone that player's role of his little alliance of ACTUAL townies (no wolves involved).

    What about the hated townie? A townperson who appears as Wolf upon investigations...he can send like PMs..."YO! IM TOWN!" breaking his role...

    With that, tell me, what would be the point of the Janitor then? What would be the point of the many roles that can help make the games fun for us?

    Sorry if I am getting offensive, but you have to realize this PM is really stupid and is freaking cheating.

    You're only stopping us from improving our games with that PMing idea, because again, like I said, if we allow PMs, we would have to not to add a lot of fun roles just to avoid cheating.
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    Default Re: Wolf XIII: Digimon Edition

    so I guess I will /in on this

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    I'm in.
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    Default Re: Wolf XIII: Digimon Edition

    Ok guys, I'm hoping for 20-30 players, so signups will remain open a while longer, but if we're still down in a week, I'll close signups and have the roles randomly selected and distributed for an earlier start.

    Kaitou, this will be my last post addressing PM angst.
    I spent some time building this game around a system with PMs.
    If I remove them I'd have to drastically change the game's planning.
    When a game is built around certain premises, removing them can ruin it, I've seen this happen many times.
    PMs will NOT neccesary make a game easier. Likening it to video games, look at a genre's sub-genres. Some can differ quite harshly in complexity, but that doesn't always translate to difficulty.

    You've admitted there are many of the type of game you like elsewhere, why not play some of those concurrently and point them out to all interested parties?

    How many janitors and such does my game have? None. I did not create my incarnation with them in mind, and when I looked at adding some things, I decided it best not to as it would negatively effect my own well thought out game.

    Finally, no-one's forcing you or Scruffy to take a handicap - that's all your own decisions. If Scruffy wishes to play properly without exposing people's PMs, he can come out and say so here. There may even be times it is beneficial for someone to share PMs in thread though - that's why I'm allowing it. But betraying one's own side through such actions will likely result in negative reactions from other players.

    Any further posts on the matter will be ignored by me. Think what you wish, but I've had a new member PM me after seeing all this thread garbage - I tried to assure him it was abnormal.
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    Default Re: Wolf XIII: Digimon Edition

    The wolf games and rules will be decided by the host. I thought that was already established. I think its fun to have the games change instead of staple rules each and every game, its makes them all different experiences. Hell, I still havent decided if I'll allow pms in mine or not.

    Is there a date that we'll definitely be starting? Just curious =3

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaruDashi View Post
    The wolf games and rules will be decided by the host. I thought that was already established. I think its fun to have the games change instead of staple rules each and every game, its makes them all different experiences. Hell, I still havent decided if I'll allow pms in mine or not.

    Is there a date that we'll definitely be starting? Just curious =3
    Yeah, everything should be up to the host.

    But I think NO outside communication should be strongly encouraged. That's the only thing, really.

    and like you said, we need to try something new then, and that's playing the games without PM or any outside communication. xD

    @Furore : I am not asking you to change your game, because I know you worked hard on it and it will tough to recreate it (I don't see why PM will make a difference but I will take your word on it) rather, I am trying to make you understand allowing PM disallows us from adding other stuff. We need to add new stuff to make our games fun you know? But allowing PM will hold us back, trust me.

    I'll play your game good, I just won't using PMs (unless I get one).
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    Default Re: Wolf XIII: Digimon Edition

    Quote Originally Posted by Furore View Post
    Any further posts on the matter will be ignored by me. Think what you wish, but I've had a new member PM me after seeing all this thread garbage - I tried to assure him it was abnormal.
    Yeah, abnormal seems an interesting word for it, LOL. Seems more like a conflict of interests.
    OH, and for any curious to my posting,,, I'm the new member he's referring to.
    But from what I've seen,,, and having looked thru some of the previously played games also, seems that if anything Wolf/Mafia should be separated altogether. After all, I see a few people comment they have enjoyed the way it was before. Then you have a few, especially one who wants it to be one way and one way only and that's as Mafia.
    Honestly, I don't see why the whole thing is such a big deal really? If you don't like it,,, don't play it. I really haven't seen much as far as complaints about previous games until this one, course I haven't checked them all out word for word, post for post. But frankly, after seeing how this game is supposed to be played being such an issue, I really have no more interest in joining it.

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    Unless we get a large influx of interested players quickly, I'm thinking signups will end a week from my previous post and the game itself will start not this Sunday, but the next. Not this Saturday but the Saturday after at 4pm by East US time. That will give me enough time to get all the PMs sent out and make sure everything's in order.

    If wondering why the times are set at 6am, my local time, I discovered that at least five days a week I'm home at that time and the others I'll post the results in brief on my phone and edit story related stuff in a few hours later. Just too draining to type long posts on a virtual keyboard with an annoying auto-corrector that occasionally even corrects legit words.
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    I invited some of the old players.


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    Default Re: Wolf XIII: Digimon Edition

    Is it too late to sign up? lol if no, then I could try another go.
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    Default Re: Wolf XIII: Digimon Edition

    This is me signing up. If it'snot too late...


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    Default Re: Wolf XIII: Digimon Edition

    Not too late at all.
    Glad to have you both, I'll edit you both in when I get home as the reception on this particular site is horrible and when I try to edit the post it times out.

    And much thanks Kaitou, I was thinking of doing the same when I got home, but you've saved me the trouble.
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    Default Re: Wolf XIII: Digimon Edition

    Most definitely predicting some inactive-kills or one-post-per-day from a lot of people here =S

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    @Furore ; Scruffy is right, I think the least you can do is to maybe enforce a 2 post requirement? =S


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    Default Re: Wolf XIII: Digimon Edition

    Two posts a day? I'd probably get even more inactive kills, especially if people are having trouble accessing the net on any given day.
    It's popped up semi-often in past games.

    I suppose if players are willing to make the commitment I could put such a rule in place. Opinions everyone?
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