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    Default Human Cloning

    Do you think it's ethical to clone humans?

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    Default Re: Human Cloning

    Eriku, the discussion was about a lot more than just the "ethicalism of human cloning". O:

    It was human cloning (and meat, and organ cloning) in general.

    But yes, I think it would be okay. Only thing is... I think it would fail miserably.

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    Default Re: Human Cloning

    Ethics are mostly arbitrarily made.
    In other words, no, I don't find it unethical to clone humans, as long as the one being cloned gives consent.

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    Default Re: Human Cloning

    So long as the clone is not required to do anything and the person from which they were cloned has no control over them, I'm fine with it.

     
    Oh, and they will be treated exactly like any other person.

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    Default Re: Human Cloning

    If its for cloning human organs, limbs, or perhaps hair then by all mean clone away. Though you are going to get those people who say its bad because of the experiments leading up for a successful clone. You've also got the problem of the clones cellular degeneration, if it occurs, and humans relying on cloning to live or prolong their existence. If there is cellular degeneration within the clones then the clones won't live for that long and leading to a group or race going extinct.

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    Default Re: Human Cloning

    But if we get around the cellular degeneration then perhaps we could use them as companions for the lonely in society who have no confidence in themselves to meet new people. That way they could become more confident and then society might become a better place for them


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    Default Re: Human Cloning

    Quote Originally Posted by aether View Post
    But if we get around the cellular degeneration then perhaps we could use them as companions for the lonely in society who have no confidence in themselves to meet new people. That way they could become more confident and then society might become a better place for them
    They already have those kinds of people. They're called therapists.

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    Default Re: Human Cloning

    Bah who needs therapists? after all who knows you better than anyone else? yourself of course


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    Default Re: Human Cloning

    Quote Originally Posted by Aeschylus View Post
    So long as the clone is not required to do anything and the person from which they were cloned has no control over them, I'm fine with it.

     
    Oh, and they will be treated exactly like any other person.
    This, I think it's completely right and it could really benefit us by cloning the "special" people because of what they can do that others cannot. Also it would be nice to see a loved one that has died before.

    EDIT: Won't be the same person but it's "close enough".
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    Default Re: Human Cloning

    It's not a question of ethics. It's a question of consequences and utility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ensifer View Post
    If its for cloning human organs, limbs, or perhaps hair then by all mean clone away. Though you are going to get those people who say its bad because of the experiments leading up for a successful clone. You've also got the problem of the clones cellular degeneration, if it occurs, and humans relying on cloning to live or prolong their existence. If there is cellular degeneration within the clones then the clones won't live for that long and leading to a group or race going extinct.
    You seem to be under the assumption that you can duplicate memories. Even if cloning a human was successful they would be lacking both the memories and personality that evolved because of those memories. So such a method to prolong ones existence is folly at best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teto View Post
    This, I think it's completely right and it could really benefit us by cloning the "special" people because of what they can do that others cannot. Also it would be nice to see a loved one that has died before.

    EDIT: Won't be the same person but it's "close enough".
    We could clone thousands of Einsteins and none of them could ever help us with physics.

    We could clone thousands of Hitlers and none of them could bring about a war.

    We could clone thousands of Gandhis and they could all be a unit of soldiers.

    Quote Originally Posted by aether View Post
    Bah who needs therapists? after all who knows you better than anyone else? yourself of course
    You can't clone personality, genius. A clone is a genetic copy of a person. We can't clone a people's experiences.

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    Default Re: Human Cloning

    who's to say that memories don't get stored in our genetics like it says in assassin's creed?


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    Quote Originally Posted by GameGeeks View Post
    You seem to be under the assumption that you can duplicate memories. Even if cloning a human was successful they would be lacking both the memories and personality that evolved because of those memories. So such a method to prolong ones existence is folly at best.
    Yes I'm under that assumption. However, I'm also under the assumption, after you pointed out, that by then we can transfer our conscious mind into the replica. Prolonging ones existence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeschylus View Post
    We could clone thousands of Einsteins and none of them could ever help us with physics.

    We could clone thousands of Hitlers and none of them could bring about a war.

    We could clone thousands of Gandhis and they could all be a unit of soldiers.



    You can't clone personality, genius. A clone is a genetic copy of a person. We can't clone a people's experiences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ensifer View Post
    Yes I'm under that assumption. However, I'm also under the assumption, after you pointed out, that by then we can transfer our conscious mind into the replica. Prolonging ones existence.
    Depends on how such things are stored in the brain. It could end up being that the way the brain stores information it simply isn't possible in any way to transfer memories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GameGeeks View Post
    Depends on how such things are stored in the brain. It could end up being that the way the brain stores information it simply isn't possible in any way to transfer memories.
    The last time I checked (in my neurobiology class), memory is a result of neuron interaction. Different neurons will make different contact points with each other, and a group of closely "contacted" neurons will respond in a cascading fashion to a stimulus, provoking the "recalling" process of any particular memory.

    Therefore, to duplicate memory, you will have to be able to completely duplicate the neurons, down to every single contact point. Unfortunately, this is NOT stored in our DNA, but rather formed throughout our development by our experiences and environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by animeyay View Post
    The last time I checked (in my neurobiology class), memory is a result of neuron interaction. Different neurons will make different contact points with each other, and a group of closely "contacted" neurons will respond in a cascading fashion to a stimulus, provoking the "recalling" process of any particular memory.

    Therefore, to duplicate memory, you will have to be able to completely duplicate the neurons, down to every single contact point. Unfortunately, this is NOT stored in our DNA, but rather formed throughout our development by our experiences and environment.
    If that's the case chances are that it wont be possible as there's way to many variable that can quickly change once you get down to the subatomic level.

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    Yea that's what I was trying to say lol
    You would have to live in the world of Harry potter to be able to duplicate memory XD

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    Quote Originally Posted by animeyay View Post
    Yea that's what I was trying to say lol
    You would have to live in the world of Harry potter to be able to duplicate memory XD
    If you lived in the world of Harry Potter you could just obtain immortality and screw the hassle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aether View Post
    who's to say that memories don't get stored in our genetics like it says in assassin's creed?
    protip. not such a good idea to learn biology (or science in general) from video games.

    rather, try wiki, a library, or collage courses.

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    Some of you have recited the plot point of the film "The Island" and fed Ewan McGregor's E-Peen.

    A man goes on the run after he discovers that he is actually a cloned "harvestable being", and is being kept as a source of human replacement parts, along with others, in a Utopian facility.

    Do I think it's even a matter of Ethics? Not really. It's a question of consequences and utility. As Aku no Hikari said.
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    We went over cloning in a religion class last semester. The Catholic Church [well, mostly just my Catholic professor] said their main problem with cloning is that it denies the clone a chance to be born a "normal" birth and live a "normal" life, by which of course the silly Catholics mean you need a married mommy and a daddy, but my fights with the professor over homo/bisexuality are a different story.

    The only thing I don't remember is if he meant cloning in which you make a baby a genetically identical being to a human adult, or if you do like the movies and make an exact copy of a person and make them the same age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velvet_Nightmare View Post
    The Catholic Church [well, mostly just my Catholic professor] said their main problem with cloning is that it denies the clone a chance to be born a "normal" birth and live a "normal" life
    You should ask them how in the world we can ask an unborn human being how s/he wishes to be born. I think the Catholics are just generally against any biological innovations/technologies.

    So by the same logic, when they baptize babies, they're denying the baptized a chance to choose their own religion or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by animeyay View Post
    You should ask them how in the world we can ask an unborn human being how s/he wishes to be born. I think the Catholics are just generally against any biological innovations/technologies.

    So by the same logic, when they baptize babies, they're denying the baptized a chance to choose their own religion or something.
    I agree, but sadly the Catholics are a stubborn bunch.
    Sorta off topic story, but a humorous one. My university held an interfaith event, in which they invited Christians [again, mostly Catholics], Jewish folk, and Muslims to come and share the similarities in their faiths. The speaker for Christianity was my professor, and he said just a few days earlier, "Catholicism is right, everything else is wrong, don't listen to it."

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