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    Default Re: Violent riots brake out in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Wio View Post
    How could it be more violent? Do you think people are going to get into gunfights over a widescreen TV?
    I've heard some people in America getting into fights over bumping into each other in the street. Also even if there are looters faced with someone armed with a gun ... won't those looters have guns themselves, and therefore have more confidence? The one man could only take action by shooting one of the looters; the looters would then all shoot that man in retaliation. Legalizing guns won't solve anti-social issues ... over here, it'll probably make it worse.
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    Default Re: Violent riots brake out in London

    Okay we may riot over Alcohol, Football, Religion, Drugs, Rugby, The English, The Rain, Golf, Politics, The Irish, Alcohol Prices, The French, Low Wages, Fuel Prices, Privatization, Horse Racing, The Welsh etc.... but we've yet to have a riot based on Greed.

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    Default Re: Violent riots brake out in London

    We haven't burned down any of our city yet due to a riot.. Maybe a few cars but not this.. I mean the U.S. hasn't done ANYTHING of this magitide yet.. It's crazy...





    I mean all of this started because mark duggan shot at armed police so they immediately shot back which killed him. (they are trained to do so) and now people are angry because he was killed and they think it was because he was black and it wouldnt of happened if he was white. So what do you do? Riot and destroy the place apparently :| yaaaay for once I think the U.S. wins this battle of common since. Was there a need to riot of that incident? No. Was there a need to burn the buildings and loot? no. Why didn't everyone go burn down Orlando when no one liked the end of the Casey Anthony trial?... Oh... Cause there isn't a need to... We go about our day and complain online rather than destroying where we live smh...





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    Default Re: Violent riots brake out in London

    Quote Originally Posted by blueangel06661 View Post
    Least we Americans don't go burning down half of New York cause some guy was killed.
    I assume you don't know about the riots of 1968, when Martin Luther King Jr was assassinated. Or the Harlem 1964 riots.
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    Default Re: Violent riots brake out in London

    Quote Originally Posted by blueangel06661 View Post
    I mean all of this started because mark duggan shot at armed police so they immediately shot back which killed him. (they are trained to do so) and now people are angry because he was killed and they think it was because he was black and it wouldnt of happened if he was white.
    No he didn't. The police investigation found his gun had not been fired.

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    Default Re: Violent riots brake out in London

    Quote Originally Posted by blueangel06661 View Post
    We haven't burned down any of our city yet due to a riot.. Maybe a few cars but not this.. I mean the U.S. hasn't done ANYTHING of this magitide yet.. It's crazy...

    I mean all of this started because mark duggan shot at armed police so they immediately shot back which killed him. (they are trained to do so) and now people are angry because he was killed and they think it was because he was black and it wouldnt of happened if he was white. So what do you do? Riot and destroy the place apparently :| yaaaay for once I think the U.S. wins this battle of common since. Was there a need to riot of that incident? No. Was there a need to burn the buildings and loot? no. Why didn't everyone go burn down Orlando when no one liked the end of the Casey Anthony trial?... Oh... Cause there isn't a need to... We go about our day and complain online rather than destroying where we live smh...

    Riots are usually caused by a trigger, that discharges a collection of long held feelings of frustration by a group of people. In Britain, it was the lower class, but in theory it could be any group, since the general rule of thumb for psychology is that you can only push a person so far until they feel they have nothing left to lose.

    Given turmoil that's been going on in the US since the housing market crashed, we've actually pretty lucky that people haven't tried anything to the extent or scale as seen in Britain. (except for the occasional person that trashes their own home after the bank forecloses on it)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eris View Post
    No he didn't. The police investigation found his gun had not been fired.
    Either way.. Did he have it out and was pointing at the police? Even then you're still in the right if you feel threatened. If you had a gun in your hand and so did the other guy and he was pointing it at you or something would you shoot first or just let them kill you? Cops don't play around..

    Quote Originally Posted by Shingo XXII View Post
    I assume you don't know about the riots of 1968, when Martin Luther King Jr was assassinated.
    Bad example. MLk= HUUUUGE public figure at the time.. This guy =/= mlk on any levels............. They were rioting with a CAUSE.. I mean this guy was a huge chunk of the civil rights movement and he was assassinated. Not too many people were happy. In london however people probably don't even know this guy nor heard of him prior.. And they are looting footlocker.. What cause is that?? Some guy gets shot so you loot some random store.. I don't see much of a connection..
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    Default Re: Violent riots brake out in London

    There's no point to the riots. They just show how hopeless things seem for kids and young adults there. Many of them probably feel like they have no future. Does it make it right, no but people can only take so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blueangel06661 View Post

    Bad example. MLk= HUUUUGE public figure at the time.. This guy =/= mlk on any levels............. They were rioting with a CAUSE.. I mean this guy was a huge chunk of the civil rights movement and he was assassinated. Not too many people were happy. In london however people probably don't even know this guy nor heard of him prior.. And they are looting footlocker.. What cause is that?? Some guy gets shot so you loot some random store.. I don't see much of a connection..
    I guess you didn't notice the edit about the Harlem 1964 riots. But i picked MLK since people know more about it than the other. There were plenty of other riots in American history where it didn't start over someone was killed such as the Watts Riots, Detroit Race Riots of 1863 and 1943, 1967 Detroit riots, Harlem Race riots of '35 and '43, and of course The L.A. Riot of 1992. Are these good any enough examples for you?
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    Default Re: Violent riots brake out in London

    Well it seems that some of the affected councils have seen sense and have already started evicting families of those caught rioting from council properties (plus these people could be stripped of any benefits which is a good thing considering the amount of taxpayers money it going to take to repair the damage these louts have caused).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shingo XXII View Post
    I guess you didn't notice the edit about the Harlem 1964 riots. But i picked MLK since people know more about it than the other. There were plenty of other riots in American history where it didn't start over someone was killed such as the Watts Riots, Detroit Race Riots of 1863 and 1943, 1967 Detroit riots, Harlem Race riots of '35 and '43, and of course The L.A. Riot of 1992. Are these good any enough examples for you?

    You are entirely missing the point here. Most of those were started with a valid cause. Be it unrest related to racism and the military draft. Or poorly executed arrest seen by on goers etc. etc. But what do we have in london? Those people are not rioting for any justice seeking cause

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    Default Re: Violent riots brake out in London

    If you're pissed at your government, change it. If you can't do it peacefully, use only the force needed to make needed changes. Riots do nothing but empower the worst of society to take advantage of the chaos and endanger everyone else.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranshiin View Post
    I've heard some people in America getting into fights over bumping into each other in the street.
    This means nothing. "Some people" means one or more people. Every society has some people who do ridiculous things. Some people in the UK burn down peoples stores, which might be occupied, for fun. See what I did there?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ranshiin View Post
    Also even if there are looters faced with someone armed with a gun ... won't those looters have guns themselves, and therefore have more confidence? The one man could only take action by shooting one of the looters; the looters would then all shoot that man in retaliation. Legalizing guns won't solve anti-social issues ... over here, it'll probably make it worse.
    I think the rest of my post already explained why this scenario is unlikely. I'm not saying that the gun makes the store owner capable of winning the fight. I'm saying it makes the looter unwilling to engage. Looters are not willing to get shot. Having a gun will not protect looters from getting shot. Thus they do not loot in the first place when they see a store owner with a gun, regardless of whether the looter has a gun or not.
    Banning guns has enabled thugs to loot and disabled citizens from defending their lives and property. Never ever give up your rights especially your right to bear arms. You can't trust the government to protect you all the time, and these riots are case in point.

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    Of course they do, but only the most organized of them. This means the police won't need to worry about guns in routine arrests.
    You could just as well cite the burdens of free speech. Don't expect me to give up that right any time soon though.
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    Also I heard on the news a few days ago ... it has been considered that the government should enforce 'media banning', that is, censorship of such social networking sites such as Twitter and Facebook; two sites that were apparently the main method of spreading information between rioters.

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    Good idea I say

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    Default Re: Violent riots brake out in London

    here's me personally parodying the retarded rioters.



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    Whilst that video isn't suitable for the forums, I will admit to completely laughing my butt off.

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    Default Re: Violent riots brake out in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Eris View Post
    Never. Ever. Give. Up. Your. Rights. You'll never get them back. Just look at the "temporary" measures in post-9/11 America. Fat chance they'll ever be revoked.
    Thank you, Eris.

    On a related note, for a wonderful example of how martial law can exacerbate an already tense situation, I refer readers to Boston, circa 1770. (The situation was not the same, I grant you, but the dynamic between the mob and the soldiers should be familiar enough.)

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    I'm not saying that we should give up your rights. We just need to reduce them slightly, just enough to help with the situation.
    You haven't really paid attention to our shenanigans in the US, have you?

    The problem is that the notion and practice of legal precedent creates an environment chock-full of slippery slopes just waiting for one unscrupulous politician to exploit them to their fullest potential. Give them a small, qualified deal, and they'll take everything they possibly can and try for more still.
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