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    Default Illegal Immigrant Working at Nuclear Plant

    Palo Verde Nuclear Power Plant officials say that the illegal immigrant was never allowed into any secure areas or into the plant itself. They say he was simply on company property in an administrative area.

    "To some extent," Arpaio says, "security at this nuclear power plant worked. But still, an illegal immigrant was permitted to gain access to this facility. This raises the question: how safe is Palo Verde really if an illegal alien can gain access to this nation's largest nuclear power facility?
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    I've read several different sites on this and I'll just post the local news as the least biased/ least extreme. So, opinions, thoughts, humorous musings?

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    Default Re: Illegal Immigrant Working at Nuclear Plant

    It's an illegal immigrant. It'd be racist to be concerned about this.

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    Default Re: Illegal Immigrant Working at Nuclear Plant

    He lived there for 15 years and he is still considered illegal immigrant?
    Well...I guess that's law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanromml View Post
    He lived there for 15 years and he is still considered illegal immigrant?
    Well...I guess that's law.
    He had 15 years to try to gain citizenship. It probably took him 15 days to realize that being a tax paying legal immigrant was a raw deal.

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    Default Re: Illegal Immigrant Working at Nuclear Plant

    every one needs jobs, i dont think that shoud even matter.



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    Default Re: Illegal Immigrant Working at Nuclear Plant

    What can I say? Illegal immigration needs to be properly, sternly, and urgently addressed.
    Although I identify myself as a social liberal, I understand perfectly the meaning of "illegal".
    There will be a public referendum in my state next year on whether illegal immigrants deserve in-state tuition. I'm sooooo voting "No."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wio View Post
    He had 15 years to try to gain citizenship. It probably took him 15 days to realize that being a tax paying legal immigrant was a raw deal.
    From what I understand, you can't apply for citizenship from within the US. You have to go back to your home country, and then file for citizenship, and then maybe come back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eris View Post
    From what I understand, you can't apply for citizenship from within the US. You have to go back to your home country, and then file for citizenship, and then maybe come back.
    You have to have legally reside in the U.S. to even file for citizenship here. You have to apply for a visa or green card to legitimize that residency, but there is no reason one can't file for those things from within the U.S.

    Legal immigration is a raw deal, because police don't know how to deal with illegal immigrants. Anything they might do is racist, so they look the other way. There was this one traffic stop effected in L.A. in order to catch and deter drunk driving. Because so many illegal immigrants were driving without licenses, and the mandatory protocol was to impound their vehicle, the stop was labeled as racist and shut down. Even I.C.E. is too busy harassing legal citizens to do much of anything. Every couple years or so they have some minuscule raids that get sensationalized by the media and say "See? See?! Don't make us do this to these poor people!"

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    Default Re: Illegal Immigrant Working at Nuclear Plant

    Eh, as long as the person does the job right and well, whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wio View Post
    You have to have legally reside in the U.S. to even file for citizenship here. You have to apply for a visa or green card to legitimize that residency, but there is no reason one can't file for those things from within the U.S.
    From what I understand, you can't apply for a visa within the US. You need to go back home, apply for a visa, wait for application to be handled, fly to the US and be questioned, and then wait for ages until the administration is done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eris View Post
    From what I understand, you can't apply for a visa within the US. You need to go back home, apply for a visa, wait for application to be handled, fly to the US and be questioned, and then wait for ages until the administration is done.
    No, I'm pretty sure you can apply for a visa or whatever from the inside the U.S. My Grandmother's neighbor has a quid pro quo situation/agreement with a Colombian woman, in which she "lives with him" until her documents are sorted out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeschylus View Post
    No, I'm pretty sure you can apply for a visa or whatever from the inside the U.S. My Grandmother's neighbor has a quid pro quo situation/agreement with a Colombian woman, in which she "lives with him" until her documents are sorted out.
    I think Cuban immigrants may be treated differently because the US doesn't have an embassy in Cuba.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eris View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Aeschylus View Post
    No, I'm pretty sure you can apply for a visa or whatever from the inside the U.S. My Grandmother's neighbor has a quid pro quo situation/agreement with a Colombian woman, in which she "lives with him" until her documents are sorted out.
    I think Cuban immigrants may be treated differently because the US doesn't have an embassy in Cuba.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wio
    You have to have legally reside in the U.S. to even file for citizenship here. You have to apply for a visa or green card to legitimize that residency, but there is no reason one can't file for those things from within the U.S.
    Actually there is a reason an illegal immigrant cannot file for either of those.
    Current U.S. immigration laws do allow for immigrants to file for them but this right is usually limited to people who entered the United States legally and didn't stay beyond the date on their I-94 card. For other applicants, particularly those who entered the United States illegally or overstayed a visa, filing in the United States may cause their deportation.*
    In these cases actually for the immigrant applying for visas or green card is the worst thing they can possibly do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aeschylus
    No, I'm pretty sure you can apply for a visa or whatever from the inside the U.S. My Grandmother's neighbor has a quid pro quo situation/agreement with a Colombian woman, in which she "lives with him" until her documents are sorted out.
    If you are in this country legally sure you can, even if not you still can apply but clearly that will likely lead to deportation. If you have entered the country illegally you have instantly made the naturalization process almost next to impossible. There are cases where they can gain citizenship but this usually involves marriages, having kids, or a business helping you.


    *=source here

    Anyway, for what this thread is actually about I also agree it would be racist to concerned with this. What has this world come to when stories like this and faux celebrities become our primary concern? We really have more important things to be worried about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jose View Post
    Actually there is a reason an illegal immigrant cannot file for either of those.
    Current U.S. immigration laws do allow for immigrants to file for them but this right is usually limited to people who entered the United States legally and didn't stay beyond the date on their I-94 card. For other applicants, particularly those who entered the United States illegally or overstayed a visa, filing in the United States may cause their deportation.*
    In these cases actually for the immigrant applying for visas or green card is the worst thing they can possibly do.
    Would you let kids keep eating cookies even after they've stolen into the cookie jar? They broke the law, and they get a free bus/ plane ride home at the expense of the tax payer.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jose View Post
    Anyway, for what this thread is actually about I also agree it would be racist to concerned with this. What has this world come to when stories like this and faux celebrities become our primary concern? We really have more important things to be worried about.
    You do realize Wio was being sarcastic, right? It is not racist to enforce immigration laws.
    Also, this is a breach in security at a nuclear plant. That is generally defined as important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jose View Post
    may cause their deportation.*
    ...
    likely lead to deportation.
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    instantly made the naturalization process almost next to impossible.
    You've made a gradual progression from your actual source may (possible) -> likely (probable) -> (definite). Anything that would lead to exposing their status to authorities may lead to deportation, but will it? The dude spent 15 years flouting immigration law and faced no consequences. He wasn't unable to naturalize, he didn't feel any desire let alone need to do so.

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    Default Re: Illegal Immigrant Working at Nuclear Plant

    This just proves how wrong so many things in this country are. I think, personally, we need to stop worrying to much about always being politically correct. If they thought the traffic stop was racist, then why did no one ever bother offering any counter evidence? And as for the plant situation, that was just absolutely careless. Everyone worries about everybody being properly documented but they so rarely check to see if the documents are all valid. That, I think, is one of this countries biggest problems.
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    @Aeschylus the only way you can legally be in the U.S. before becoming a U.S. citizen is if you have a green card.

    "After you have lived in the US as a permanent resident (a green card holder) for a certain number of years, the next step is to apply for US citizenship."

    I think. After all what do I know. This topic seems pointless. Least someone is doing a job no one really wants after what happened to Japan. Maybe if it was some corporate job but meh. My theory. "If you complain about them go do the job they were doing. You don't want to? Join the line of the billions of other people".. Unless they do something out of line I could care less for now.


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    Well, the concern is, if this person can enter a nuclear facility, what can stop terrorists or other foreign nationals who will harm our national security? I am originally from Arizona, and I know it is getting a lot of bad rap for how it handles the issue. Apparently, the New York politicians who want to investigate Sheriff Arpio (who is actually friends with my parents), aren't really victims of the financial problems it causes. Though technically immigration is supposed to be a federal responsibility, the states, especially Arizona, are the ones footing the bill. I got nothing against people wanting to come the country. I think it's a great thing. We just need to know who is coming so people are safe. Not just American citizens, but for immigrants as well. The northern Mexican border towns are controlled by the mafias so it causes problems.

    I live in a different country now. I had to do it legally. If people think the Arizona immigration law that passed last year is bad, you should see how Japan handles immigration. Hell, I think Arizona's immigration law is actually pretty humane in comparison to how Japan handles foreigners. With the Arizona law, they can only check for visa status if they committed a crime. In Japan, you could just walk out of a 7-11 and get carded. It's happened to me on 3 occasions. If people like me can handle getting into Japan legally, I think people going to America should go through the same process where the standards aren't as strict.

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    Well lucky for you in Japan there's not a mix of cultures. It's easy to identify anyone suspicious. But here there is a huge racial issue and when you start identifying hispanics they throw a fit. I don't see what the big deal is if they are legal citizens. I would've been like "here" But they make a huge fuss of it and we have a big mess. In japan you may see a few white people or a black person and perhaps a spanish person. But here they all blend in and it's hard to tell who came here or who was born here etc.


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    It is true that less than 2% of Japan's population is foreign and more than 90% of that 2% is Chinese, Korean, and Filipino. All I can say is, despite what Arizona and other states do, it will not compare to how Japan treats foreigners.

    I think America should encourage foreigners to stay. America has foreign students studying at Harvard, etc., and yet they got back to their country as elite scientists. America should find ways to keep those people here. I think America should seek out and find skilled workers. I think skilled workers should find work wherever they can find it, but do it lawfully not for America's protection, but for their own so they won't die in the desert due to heat exhaustion and not try to put the blame on Arizona.

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    You're confusing regular foreigners with foreigners who jump the border crammed in tiny cut out places in cars who don't really do anything but maybe run a tomato stand or something.


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    If he's doing his job well and isn't causing problems, then i'd say let him stay and try to get him citizenship.
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    Default Re: Illegal Immigrant Working at Nuclear Plant

    Quote Originally Posted by blueangel06661 View Post
    @Aeschylus the only way you can legally be in the U.S. before becoming a U.S. citizen is if you have a green card.
    Tourist visa? Not that particularly many tourists go to the US these days, what with all the humiliating security procedures and all. Makes it about as appealing as a trip to Pyonyang.
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