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    Default Michele Bachmann endorses homosexual "reparative therapy"

    Lake Elmo, MN (CNN)-In her campaign for president, Michele Bachmann touts her background as a small business owner.
    "A small business job creator," is how the Minnesota Congresswoman and Republican Presidential candidate described herself in her first campaign ad in Iowa.


    That business is Bachmann and Associates. It's a Christian counseling service located outside Minneapolis. Bachmann started the center with her husband, Marcus who is the lead counselor at the clinic. The aspiring first couple and their children are pictured on the center's web site.
    For at least five years, Bachmann and Associates has faced accusations it uses a controversial therapy that encourages gay and lesbian patients to change their sexual orientation.


    Andrew Ramirez, a former patient at Bachmann and Associates, said in an interview with CNN he witnessed the practice first-hand. In 2004, Ramirez turned to the clinic at the urging of his mother who wanted him to talk about his homosexuality.
    Just 17 at the time, Ramirez said he was immediately skeptical of what one of the clinic's counselors told him.
    "It was therapy that would help me change from being homosexual to straight," Ramirez said. "If I did this and worked his therapy program, God would perform a miracle and I could no longer be gay," Ramirez added he was told.
    Ramirez was assigned a therapy program consisting of prayer, reading Bible passages, and mentoring with an ex-lesbian minister. If none of that worked, Ramirez said the counselor had another suggestion.


    "Not acting out on my same sex attractions and living a life of celibacy," Ramirez said.
    After the second session, Ramirez told his mother, Beth Shellenbarger, he wanted to stop the therapy.
    "And I could just hear his voice quiver and I just said, 'you know, Andy, if you're good with being gay then I am too,'" Shellenbarger said.
    The American Psychological Association is sharply critical of efforts by counselors to change a patient's sexual orientation, what's known in the mental health community as "reparative therapy."


    "There is insufficient evidence to support the use of psychological interventions to change sexual orientation," one APA report said.
    Marcus Bachmann has suggested parents of gay teenagers can turn to religion for help.
    In an interview last year with the "Point of View" talk radio program, Bachmann was asked how parents should deal with a teenager who thinks he or she is gay.
    "I think you clearly say 'what is the understanding of God's word on homosexuality,'" Bachmann said. "We have to understand barbarians need to be educated. They need to be disciplined and just because someone feels it or thinks it doesn't mean we're supposed to go down that road," he continued.


    In 2006, Bachmann denied his clinic engaged in reparative therapy to "City Pages," a Minneapolis newspaper. "That's a false statement," Bachmann said. "If someone is interested in talking to us about their homosexuality, we are open to talking about that. But if someone comes in a homosexual and they want to stay homosexual, I don't have a problem with that," he continued.
    This week, a gay rights group called "Truth Wins Out" released to CNN a hidden camera video recorded by one of its activists who posed as a patient at Bachmann and Associates.


    In the video reviewed by CNN, a counselor can be heard suggesting homosexuality can be treated at the center, to varying degrees of success.
    "You can actually leave homosexuality completely and become heterosexual?" the undercover activist asked on the video. "Definitely," the counselor responded. "It's happened before. It really has," the counselor added.
    But the counselor cautioned he is not an expert on the subject.
    "I don't have a ton of experience with this. I mean, a little bit here and there," the counselor added.

    Michele Bachmann has a long history of controversial views on homosexuality.
    As a senator in the Minnesota legislature in 2004, Bachmann called for an amendment to the state constitution that would block gay marriages in other states from being recognized in Minnesota.
    "If we allow this to happen, group marriage, polygamy, and much worse would not be far behind," Bachmann said in a video to her supporters.
    In an appeal to socially conservative Iowa voters earlier this month, she signed a "Marriage Vow" pledge that also equated same sex couples with polygamists.
    Both Bachmann and her husband declined to discuss the clinic's practices. A secretary at the clinic referred all questions to the Bachmann presidential campaign. A sign on the center's door says "no media."


    A statement released by her presidential campaign said the Bachmanns were unable to comment on the clinic's practices out of respect for its patients.
    "The Bachmann's are in no position ethically, legally, or morally to discuss specific courses of treatment concerning the clinic's patients," the statement said.
    The issue has followed Bachmann onto the campaign trail. Asked about the clinic's practices at an event in Iowa Monday, Bachmann dodged the question.
    "Well, I'm running for the presidency of the United States. And I'm here today to talk about job creation," Bachmann told WHO-TV. "We're very proud of the business that we've created," she added.
    article: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...chmann-clinic/

    and.. this is someone that wants to lead the nation?

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    Default Re: Michele Bachmann endorses homosexual "reparative therapy"

    As much as I try not to dislike the Republicans, extremist right-wingers like her keep appearing like fleas to remind me just how distasteful they can be to me.

    Oh, and that "marriage vow" was such a joke! I said 2 or 3 weeks ago that Michele Bachmann would become Sarah Palin #2, and so far she hasn't deviated from the course I predicted.

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    Default Re: Michele Bachmann endorses homosexual "reparative therapy"

    It kinda reminds me of the anger management classes.

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    Default Re: Michele Bachmann endorses homosexual "reparative therapy"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ericgamer1 View Post

    and.. this is someone that wants to lead the nation?
    That's what she said.

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    Default Re: Michele Bachmann endorses homosexual "reparative therapy"

    Yeah, when Bachmann becomes president, she'll put all the gays in hetero camps. Oh no!

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    Default Re: Michele Bachmann endorses homosexual "reparative therapy"

    Quote Originally Posted by animeyay View Post
    As much as I try not to dislike the Republicans, extremist right-wingers like her keep appearing like fleas to remind me just how distasteful they can be to me.
    Yeah...

    Sorry, but I would never want to be associated with Conservatives/Republicans just because this. It's just so ridiculously stupid.

    Can't we please get a sane conservative that isn't clouded with pushing their backwards prejudices upon the country?

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    Default Re: Michele Bachmann endorses homosexual "reparative therapy"

    Quote Originally Posted by nathanromml View Post
    That's what she said.
    I don't understand

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    Default Re: Michele Bachmann endorses homosexual "reparative therapy"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ericgamer1 View Post
    I don't understand


    That's what she said. You have asked if she wants to be a president. I have confirmed it. She indeed wants to be a president. So, I have basically answered your question. What's not to understand? lol

    I believe the personal believes are not a factor determining whether one can be a president or not, are they? Sorry, not really familiar with US law


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    Default Re: Michele Bachmann endorses homosexual "reparative therapy"

    Quote Originally Posted by nathanromml View Post
    I believe the personal believes are not a factor determining whether one can be a president or not, are they? Sorry, not really familiar with US law

    while I firmly think the same, you have to understand that in the US, unlike some European nations, it's pretty common for politicians to use their power to exert their religious/personal beliefs.

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    Default Re: Michele Bachmann endorses homosexual "reparative therapy"

    Nowhere in the article does Mrs. Bachmann ever say she endorses reparative therapy. The clinic might use it; the husband probably doesn't approve of homosexual marriages, and Mrs. Bachmann doesn't either. However, the President has no real say in marriage. Unless that some how changes, I don't see any reason to worry myself on whether or not she condones where I put my privates under contract.
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    Default Re: Michele Bachmann endorses homosexual "reparative therapy"

    It's stuff like this that make the hair on the back of my neck stand on end and i get the sudden urge to punch something, preferably a republican.

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    Default Re: Michele Bachmann endorses homosexual "reparative therapy"

    @Ericgamer1 : She lives in Minnesota, where I live. I say that her and Tim Pawlenty(another Republican from Minnesota that wants to run for President) are evil. It's their fault pretty much of why Minnesota's government is shut down right now, in my opinion. >_>
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    Default Re: Michele Bachmann endorses homosexual "reparative therapy"

    This is really messed up and I don't think she'll ever be president like that.


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    Default Re: Michele Bachmann endorses homosexual "reparative therapy"

    ....alright, I will leave the country now. This is too much and just plain outrageous.
    I think she needs therapy herself to even think an idea like that.

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    Default Re: Michele Bachmann endorses homosexual "reparative therapy"

    Who the hell let this crazy hoochie out the nut house? O_O
    Man that is whack!

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    Default Re: Michele Bachmann endorses homosexual "reparative therapy"

    This is truly only a thread than you, Eric, could have ever started.

    Has anybody else seen that episode of South Park on this thing?

    But you know, I thought that it was a cartoon, and that place like this doesnt ACTUALLY exist. Mostly because I have always had that little niggling doubt in the back of my mind that 'people cannot be that stupid.' Well thank you Eric, thank you for proving me wrong...

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    Default Re: Michele Bachmann endorses homosexual "reparative therapy"

    Yeah we know she's a crock, we know Palin is a crock, we know Beck is a crock, we know 98% of Republicans are crocks and not to mention crooks. But what we don't know is where the pie is.

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    Default Re: Michele Bachmann endorses homosexual "reparative therapy"

    Michele Bachmann needs "get hit with a stick" therapy.

    I have nothing really constructive to offer other than that.

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    Default Re: Michele Bachmann endorses homosexual "reparative therapy"

    Last I knew Michele Backmann claimed to be a young earth creationist. This is way less stupid then that.
    Ehhh, I dunno if I'll stick around. We'll see.

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    Default Re: Michele Bachmann endorses homosexual "reparative therapy"

    I agreee with Bachmann. Don't know what are you all so butthurt about. (Yeah, pun intended, you queers)


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    Default Re: Michele Bachmann endorses homosexual "reparative therapy"

    and.. this is someone that wants to lead the nation?
    This is pretty messed up. However, I'm not defending this woman's opinion in any way, but how someone feels about homosexuality isn't the end-all-be-all of someone's political campaign/career. I'm not saying this is okay, I'm very against it, but endorse =/= this is going to happen. It means she recommends it. And considering the amount of liberals in the US I doubt it'd get accepted anyway.
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    Default Re: Michele Bachmann endorses homosexual "reparative therapy"

    As a conservative myself, I view Michele Bachmann as a liability rather than a positive force. Not only does she focus on the issues that do more harm than help, but I highly doubt she even has any game plan for the issues that actually matter to the nation. At the end of the day, not a single candidate with public support will arise on the right because of the foolish games the popular frontrunners are playing.

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    Default Re: Michele Bachmann endorses homosexual "reparative therapy"

    Quote Originally Posted by Aeschylus View Post
    However, the President has no real say in marriage. Unless that some how changes, I don't see any reason to worry myself on whether or not she condones where I put my privates under contract.
    Not right now, no. However, when DOMA is repealed (something the Obama administration said they are going to work on repealing) then the government does have a say - including the President.

    I don't understand why everyone is so against it so openly. You don't like the idea of gay marriage? Fine. Not like it's gonna effect you in any way, shape or form once it's legalized. The way I've seen those on TV say that Homosexuality will lead to Bestiality is ridiculous; it's like saying eating a steak (or meat in general) will lead to cannibalism.

    So far, none of the Republican candidates look like they'll stand a chance of getting Obama to be a one term president (yay).



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    Default Re: Michele Bachmann endorses homosexual "reparative therapy"

    Quote Originally Posted by Android 18 View Post
    Not right now, no. However, when DOMA is repealed (something the Obama administration said they are going to work on repealing) then the government does have a say - including the President.
    The federal government has no say in marriage laws. The states will fight to keep it that way.

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    I don't understand why everyone is so against it so openly. You don't like the idea of gay marriage? Fine. Not like it's gonna effect you in any way, shape or form once it's legalized.
    So I haven't any right to oppose something because it won't affect me? Well gee`wiz, I guess 4/7 of the people out there who openly oppose child porn don't get a say in the matter. Pity.

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    Default Re: Michele Bachmann endorses homosexual "reparative therapy"

    So I haven't any right to oppose something because it won't affect me? Well gee`wiz, I guess 4/7 of the people out there who openly oppose child porn don't get a say in the matter. Pity.
    Except that a marriage between two consenting and willing adults who love each other is totally different than having sex (or watching someone) with a child who probably has no idea what is happening and is scared, screaming and/or crying for them to stop. Plus it already breaks the law of underaged sex where a child does not have the ability to consent to such a thing (because their brains aren't nearly developed enough to make such a decision). o.O Terrible comparison.

    Marriage is a right that so many people have the power to take advantage of and abuse (divorce, adultry, etc.). Yet the only reason a couple that loves one another, and just happen to be gay, can't marry one another is because it conflicts against ones religion (it's the only defense I've seen)? That's pathetic. Especially when those people probably don't follow everything their religion says to begin with. For example, I bet some of those people eat shellfish or cut their hair - all things in the same area of the bible that says it's sinful for a man to lay with a man.

    I'm completely for people following and believing their own religion or any religion. But religion is the governance of the self; it's a guideline for that person to lead their life with, not to infringe their beliefs onto others or to use those beliefs to keep people from being able to do perfectly healthy things with their life.



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