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    Default Oh, CRAPcom.

    http://dvice.com/archives/2011/06/capcom-tries-to.php

    Okay, what both THQ/EA and WB(With Mortal Kombat) did is nothing compared to this. One thing is selling an incomplete game by taking out online features unless you pay 10 bucks. But one-save for life? Forever? Meaning if you bought your game new, you will never, ever be able to replay your game at all...Punishing those who bought it new as well?

    Another fail by CRAPcom.


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    Default Re: Oh, CRAPcom.

    This is insane. Why in the world would I only want to play a game once and only once. I can't imagine playing Bioshock 2 one time and never again. I replay it constantly and pick up on things I missed the previous times. Sure it's to keep people from buying it used. However people can't afford to dish out $59.00 for a brand spankin new release all the time.

    This is like trying to play Super Mario Bros. But you only get 10 lives. after you die 10 times that's it no more game play for you.


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    Default Re: Oh, CRAPcom.

    Quote Originally Posted by blueangel06661 View Post


    This is like trying to play Super Mario Bros. But you only get 10 lives. after you die 10 times that's it no more game play for you.
    This isn't what it's like at all. Anyone who thinks that this is such a horrible thing clearly doesn't understand the nature of the game being released. ^^;;

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    Quote Originally Posted by UmJammerEri View Post
    This isn't what it's like at all. Anyone who thinks that this is such a horrible thing clearly doesn't understand the nature of the game being released. ^^;;
    Then how do YOU understand it.

    Basically what Capcom has done is make Mercenaries 3D a one-time play affair. Once you've unlocked all the goodies and played the entire game, you will not be able to erase the game's save data and start fresh as if it were a new copy. Consider this: lending Mercenaries 3D to a friend, a little brother or sister will be worthless because they'll only be able to continue playing the game with your saved settings and create their own.
    Thus meaning I can only play something like bioshock once. If I want to go over my already saved data......too bad...........................


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    Default Re: Oh, CRAPcom.

    People don't understand is not about reselling your game but rather not being able to play it again ever again.


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    Default Re: Oh, CRAPcom.

    Quote Originally Posted by blueangel06661 View Post
    Then how do YOU understand it.



    Thus meaning I can only play something like bioshock once. If I want to go over my already saved data......too bad...........................
    Have you ever played The Mercenaries? Even a single time? It sure doesn't seem so.

    How The Mercenaries works is essentially like this: pick a character, pick a stage, select your loadout (a new feature in this release), and battle it out against the clock to see how many enemies you can kill. This is NOT a story-based game like Bioshock; there is literally next to NO progress the player can make next to (potentially) unlocking characters and stages. You are NOT going to buy a used game only to have a save file be on the final boss fight - there simply is no such thing.

    Please do not 'dislike' my posts simply because you are too ignorant to understand why you may be wrong. And believe me, you ARE wrong.

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    Default Re: Oh, CRAPcom.

    But you're talking as this only applies/will apply for Mercenaries. This will apply for the following games to come, some way or another.


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    Default Re: Oh, CRAPcom.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shinichi View Post
    People don't understand is not about reselling your game but rather not being able to play it again ever again.
    Well I'd imagine you can replay it. Like you can replay Super Mario world because it saves everything. But lets say you beat it and so you leisurely play your favorite levels for about 5 years. Well with super mario world you get 3 save slots. Perhaps you want to keep the slot where you beat it so you can play your most favorite level ever that happens to be at the end of the game. But at the same time you want the challenge of going through the game from square one again. Too bad. So if you try to sell it. You'll sell what you've already done and there is no way for the second person to come along and restart it.

    Quote Originally Posted by UmJammerEri View Post

    Please do not 'dislike' my posts simply because you are too ignorant to understand why you may be wrong. And believe me, you ARE wrong.
    I can dislike what I please. And I think I'm right. They are applying this to try to target the used game markets. IF people buy into this then they will apply it to more games in which the game play isn't like mercenaries but is a story game. Don't think they won't. You're the ignorant one who doesn't understand how companies work.
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    Default Re: Oh, CRAPcom.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shinichi View Post
    But you're talking as this only applies/will apply for Mercenaries. This will apply for the following games to come, some way or another.
    You're causing trouble because it kinda-sorta looks like there is the potential to be an issue. There is no issue in this case; you really shouldn't try to create one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UmJammerEri View Post
    You're causing trouble because it kinda-sorta looks like there is the potential to be an issue. There is no issue in this case; you really shouldn't try to create one.
    No, I should be concerned because it's a potential issue indeed. If it already proves to be a bad idea, is already an issue at hand...because it will mostly likely apply for future games.


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    Default Re: Oh, CRAPcom.

    When you turn a blind eye to things is when stuff gets nasty then there's chaos. Like internet capping for instance. And how AT&T plans to charge people for how much internet you use etc. turn a blind eye and the other companies might follow.. Say something about it and other companies might realize hey.. that's a bad idea.


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    Default Re: Oh, CRAPcom.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shinichi View Post
    No, I should be concerned because it's a potential issue indeed. If it already proves to be a bad idea, is already an issue at hand...because it will mostly likely apply for future games.
    But it hasn't. It would be one thing to be angry if this actually had a major effect on the game; this game is entirely Mercenaries, not being able to delete data in it is a non-issue.

    Not only that, but Capcom now has a record of correcting past mistakes and apologizing; look at the Street Fighter PC issue.

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    I can dislike what I please. And I think I'm right. They are applying this to try to target the used game markets. IF people buy into this then they will apply it to more games in which the game play isn't like mercenaries but is a story game. Don't think they won't. You're the ignorant one who doesn't understand how companies work.
    So, your defense is "I don't care if I'm ignorant, don't tell me what to do!"? Brilliant.

    And how ironic that you would say that I don't understand how a company works. Not only does my family own our own business, you seem to display a complete and total lack of understanding on how the video game industry works. The entire industry.

    Used game sales
    do not generate any money for the companies involved in making/publishing software. Therefore, used game sales, as they are much more common/mainstream than piracy, are just as bad (if not worse than) piracy. Companies need money to run. But of course you knew that, right? I'm the ignorant one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blueangel06661 View Post
    Well I'd imagine you can replay it. Like you can replay Super Mario world because it saves everything. But lets say you beat it and so you leisurely play your favorite levels for about 5 years. Well with super mario world you get 3 save slots. Perhaps you want to keep the slot where you beat it so you can play your most favorite level ever that happens to be at the end of the game. But at the same time you want the challenge of going through the game from square one again. Too bad. So if you try to sell it. You'll sell what you've already done and there is no way for the second person to come along and restart it.
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    But this isn't Super Mario World. In every game, once you get everything unlocked(working to acquire every item), there's nothing much to do so you would like to restart it.

    Also Blue is right.....EA did the 10 bucks pass and THQ followed. Or the other way around.

    @UmJammerEri See, I do support the cause of stopping used game sells(we had a thread about it), but when it involves the customer who bought it at first hand then it's a problem.
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    Default Re: Oh, CRAPcom.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shinichi View Post
    Also Blue is right.....EA did the 10 bucks pass and THQ followed.
    She is right. About that.

    The simple fact is that used game sales are hurting the industry. We don't seem to be getting that message, so developers and publishers need to figure out a way to put a stop to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UmJammerEri View Post
    And how ironic that you would say that I don't understand how a company works. Not only does my family own our own business, you seem to display a complete and total lack of understanding on how the video game industry works. The entire industry.

    Used game sales
    do not generate any money for the companies involved in making/publishing software. Therefore, used game sales, as they are much more common/mainstream than piracy, are just as bad (if not worse than) piracy. Companies need money to run. But of course you knew that, right? I'm the ignorant one.
    Well Piracy = illegal... Buying something used = legal... So how is it just as bad.. and if not worse than piracy? And well you can pay for overpriced games all you want then. But I'll continue to buy mine used. And you're family owns a business. So? You could just be saying that and have no involvement. Mine owns one too. Big deal. You're not the CEO of Google or anything. Hardly anything worth bragging about it's probably some local store.

    PC games are turning into being it just as bad. The DRM on games is going to end up requiring all PC games to be verified over the internet by the companies servers, at all times. Single player or multiplayer. Internet goes down, you can't play to prevent you pirating them etc. Funny because I play most of my PC games on a computer that has no internet connectivity as to save space on this laptop.


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    Quote Originally Posted by UmJammerEri View Post
    She is right. About that.

    The simple fact is that used game sales are hurting the industry. We don't seem to be getting that message, so developers and publishers need to figure out a way to put a stop to them.
    Read my above post. Also, it has been proved that used games hurt the industry more than piracy.

    What you don't understand is that we are somewhat on the same page, we both don't approve of the used game sell industry but what I am complaining about is what Capcom is doing, they could simply jump the bandwagon of what EA/THQ and WB has done.


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    They could just be reasonable and contact places like games for less. Gamestop. Play n trade. And each time they sell a used game give a small percentage of the profit back to the company that deserves it. But of course that is such a hassle. :| So why not ruin peoples gameplay instead.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinichi View Post
    Read my above post. Also, it has been proved that used games hurt the industry more than piracy.

    What you don't understand is that we are somewhat on the same page, we both don't approve of the used game sell industry but what I am complaining about is what Capcom is doing, they could simply jump the bandwagon of what EA/THQ and WB has done.
    As someone with three 360s in the house, it's very irritating when I can't lend my dad or my best friend a game to play because features are removed for people who haven't 'paid for'. It's very, very irritating.

    That being said, as horrible an idea as this would be to apply across the spectrum (I would hate to suffer through this), it's a non-issue in the type of game that it is being applied in. It would be the same thing to complain if it was being applied to a video game about Chess.

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    Well Piracy = illegal... Buying something used = legal... So how is it just as bad.. and if not worse than piracy? And well you can pay for overpriced games all you want then. But I'll continue to buy mine used. And you're family owns a business. So? You could just be saying that and have no involvement. Mine owns one too. Big deal. You're not the CEO of Google or anything. Hardly anything worth bragging about it's probably some local store.

    PC games are turning into being it just as bad. The DRM on games is going to end up requiring all PC games to be verified over the internet by the companies servers, at all times. Single player or multiplayer. Internet goes down, you can't play to prevent you pirating them etc. Funny because I play most of my PC games on a computer that has no internet connectivity as to save space on this laptop.
    Quote Originally Posted by Shinichi View Post
    Read my above post. Also, it has been proved that used games hurt the industry more than piracy.
    BlueAngel, you not being able to understand WHY something is bad doesn't make it my fault. Just give up.

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    @UmJammerEri Yeah, this is kinda a big issue. Companies are constantly screwing fans over. Even if the game just has unlockable characters there's still a massive issue to be had. Doing something to combat the used game industry or piracy wont work. In this case they just screwed themselves out of potential sales. The game will not sell. I can guarantee that. People don't like being messed with and pushed around. It's our money we choose to spend. Once the product is paid for by us and in our hands it should be ours to do with as we please. This is obviously within legal parameters. I don't care if it's just potential or not. Potential is just as bad as it's actually an issue. And there has to be something more to it if they do this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GameGeeks View Post
    @UmJammerEri Yeah, this is kinda a big issue. Companies are constantly screwing fans over. Even if the game just has unlockable characters there's still a massive issue to be had. Doing something to combat the used game industry or piracy wont work. In this case they just screwed themselves out of potential sales. The game will not sell. I can guarantee that. People don't like being messed with and pushed around. It's our money we choose to spend. Once the product is paid for by us and in our hands it should be ours to do with as we please. This is obviously within legal parameters. I don't care if it's just potential or not. Potential is just as bad as it's actually an issue. And there has to be something more to it if they do this.
    It is a big issue if applied across the spectrum. It does not effect this game what-so-ever if you are not able to delete save data. Complaining about THIS GAME as opposed to THE ISSUE IT'S SELF is what I'm trying to get through here.

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    As someone with three 360s in the house, it's very irritating when I can't lend my dad or my best friend a game to play because features are removed for people who haven't 'paid for'. It's very, very irritating.

    That being said, as horrible an idea as this would be to apply across the spectrum (I would hate to suffer through this), it's a non-issue in the type of game that it is being applied in. It would be the same thing to complain if it was being applied to a video game about Chess.
    I am not sure if the pass is account-locked or opened like DLCs, but you could always try to recover your gamertag. I only have one Xbox though.

    You do make a point about your Chess analogy, and you also said that Capcom does always apologize for their mistakes. That being said, remember what happened last year with Activision-Blizzard? How people complained until they decided to change their mind? If people don't complain, Capcom will never acknowledge their mistake.


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    Quote Originally Posted by UmJammerEri View Post
    As someone with three 360s in the house, it's very irritating when I can't lend my dad or my best friend a game to play because features are removed for people who haven't 'paid for'. It's very, very irritating.

    That being said, as horrible an idea as this would be to apply across the spectrum (I would hate to suffer through this), it's a non-issue in the type of game that it is being applied in. It would be the same thing to complain if it was being applied to a video game about Chess.

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    BlueAngel, you not being able to understand WHY something is bad doesn't make it my fault. Just give up.
    you don't understand why something is a bad idea obviously. Because this is a bad idea. And there you go.. Bragging again.. And what game do you have that is very irritating to let your dad play because features are removed for people who haven't 'paid for'... As far as knowing nothing is released that contains something like that yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by UmJammerEri View Post
    It is a big issue if applied across the spectrum. It does not effect this game what-so-ever if you are not able to delete save data. Complaining about THIS GAME as opposed to THE ISSUE IT'S SELF is what I'm trying to get through here.
    If you would pay attention. No one here is taking about the game. Nor it's gameplay. We are all talking about the future issues that one save could possess. You're the only one who actually cares about RE game.
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    PC games are turning into being it just as bad. The DRM on games is going to end up requiring all PC games to be verified over the internet by the companies servers, at all times. Single player or multiplayer. Internet goes down, you can't play to prevent you pirating them etc. Funny because I play most of my PC games on a computer that has no internet connectivity as to save space on this laptop.
    The idea of DRM is not bad, is just how companies use it.

    Like with Steam, you can set it to "Offline" and if your internet goes down, you can play your games still.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinichi View Post
    I am not sure if the pass is account-locked or opened like DLCs, but you could always try to recover your gamertag. I only have one Xbox though.

    You do make a point about your Chess analogy, and you also said that Capcom does always apologize for their mistakes. That being said, remember what happened last year with Activision-Blizzard? How people complained until they decided to change their mind? If people don't complain, Capcom will never acknowledge their mistake.
    It really is a silly gripe to have with your argument, but I feel like it shouldn't be "OH MY GOD THIS GAME IS RUINED!", and more "this idea is bad and will ruin games". It's a horrible thing to do to games and must be opposed, but in this particular case the idea didn't harm anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by blueangel06661 View Post
    you don't understand why something is a bad idea obviously. Because this is a bad idea. And there you go.. Bragging again.. And what game do you have that is very irritating to let your dad play because features are removed for people who haven't 'paid for'... As far as knowing nothing is released that contains something like that yet.
    Not only is it apparent that you have never played The Mercenaries, you also seem to not play too many games to seriously ask me that question.

    You, all-in-all have some of the strangest things to say that I have ever heard anyone say. Please take this to heart: understand why you may be wrong in the future. I'm not saying it just to say it.

    And with that, I'm going to totally ignore you now. You have literally nothing to contribute because you have proven that you do not understand the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UmJammerEri View Post
    It is a big issue if applied across the spectrum. It does not effect this game what-so-ever if you are not able to delete save data. Complaining about THIS GAME as opposed to THE ISSUE IT'S SELF is what I'm trying to get through here.
    The game can't be ignored as it's what this problem stems from. So take care of a problem you need to take care of the source. That's true in any situation whether it's games, love, health, etc.

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