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I'm pretty sure fullmetal alchemist is not that sexy but a anime that is sexy and horrific is highschool of the dead
With all due respect ma'am, thats your definition of a real woman. Other people have different opinions. So lets not attack "feminine" girls shall we? ^_^
I agree with you that about the fanservice. Winry wears tube tops and skirts during casual occasions.. and that was appealing to some guys (myself included). But when she was working, she wore her work orientated clothes like the jumpsuit and stuff.
Riza thought of herself as a slave? Judging by her character and personality.. I don't think she wants to be treated like a slave. Again.. she is a subordinate for her own reasons.
Izumi runs a butchery with her husband, doesn't she? One needs home economic skills to be properly handle meat products and the like. So being a housewife isn't really a waste of time. You're right that being a housewife is not a job, but like I said earlier, it's a choice. She chose to be one in the same respect that you chose not to be one.
I agree, real woman have intelligence and various strengths. I do not agree with you about me conforming to stereotypes.
This is because I believe a woman can be what she wants to be. I prefer a girl that can wear a skirt with no problem.. but if she doesn't want to (like you), then thats cool too.
I cannot cook due to my eyesight and I do not have the patience, I would not resort to ready-made or ready-meal crap though. My mother cooks for me. I am obsessively clean and tidy; I cannot stand mess, disorganisation, or dirtiness. We do not have ‘twinkes’ over here.
I hardly ever wear make-up. I felt it to be a waste of time, and since I am ugly anyway, it does not really matter. I only put on a bit of nail polish and some lip-gloss or lipstick, such as I am going to do when I go to my prom (I am not wearing a dress, but a jumpsuit, as I could not find any dinner suits. It is in identical to a dress, but instead of a skirt part, it has trousers).
My clothing is aplenty and they are nice as well. What I meant by cleaning when is needed was clearly stupidly misinterpreted by a person as stupid as you. When I said when ‘they need done’ I mean after they would used, you fool!
So many absurd and improvable assumptions have you made. It is almost laughable, but I will not grant you that dignity. Winry’s outfits are fan service. No female mechanic I have seen in real life wear a frelling boob tube under their jumpsuit, and though there may not many, I have seen a few. If they, I would hope they wound instructed to return home and change into something more suitable.
I have a life, as that is over-used and ineffective attempt at an insult. I have a great life, and good people around me, even if I do becoming depressed quite many times. I am intelligent and knowledgeable, and I know this as other have informed me of this.
I want to clear this up too. Woman can cry, cry all they want in fact, they should just save it for the bedroom than insulting real woman like me who only do in their room, albeit rarely and for a very good reason, not the grozit that most woman cry over. "Oh, I just broke up boo hoo hoo", "I'm been proposed to, boo hoo hoo" (even thouh she can do it too) "I'm geting married boo hoo hoo", and other stupid things. "Woman and girls cry too much and men and boys do not cry enough".
And women cry when they break up with someone or is proposed to. The first is because it hurts. Have you ever had a BF. To love someone and be so open with them and in most cases have the S word with them. It's hard to suddenly have it end. Though hysterical is uncalled for but crying about it doesn't hurt anyone. I'd cry if my bf broke up with me. But would still have a head on my shoulders. And getting proposed to is a big deal in a womans life. If you really love someone you can't wait for them to pop the question.
And ps. You are really stuck up. Calling yourself intelligent is really ignorant. :| What a turn off.
Woman can cry, cry all they want in fact, they should just save it for the bedroom than insulting real woman like me who only do in their room, albeit rarely and for a very good reason, not the grozit that most woman cry over.
>Other women shouldn't cry because it makes me look bad.
Not only are you insufferably stupid, you're beyond ignorant as well. How did you manage to stretch your anus to such a degree as to allow your ridiculously inflated head to enter it?
The trousers legs fit, but I not the waistline. I would rather have to were a belt than to go hunting across the whole town just to find some trousers that actually fit around there. I have some nice belts that though quite random, going from a sparkly, pink leopard-print one to one which is fastened with a simple knot.
It is over. Deal with it. There is not point in sitting there sobbing over it, I will not change anything. That is what I think.
The solution is to not get involved until you are clearly sure. I understand you cannot tell that until you have entered the relationship, but you could al least give it good long thought.
No, I have been informed so, and in comparison to some of the retards that were in my classes, then yes I am. One idiot did not know what the listless meant, even though they and I were, at that time, in fifth year for goodness sake! Tat could just because I love learning and reading, and therefore expanded my knowledge and vocabulary though that, but most the others had barely picked up a book in their lives it seemed.
However, if you were to met me, you would soon see I am the most pessimistic person you will ever met, and have little confidence in myself. And I know it, but I cannot change it. I do care if it is a 'turn off' or not. That implies sexual attraction, which I do not do. I would like someone for their personality, not because I am superficial and like them because they look good. Though that is subject to interpretation.
Last edited by NaokoElric2250; 06-01-2011 at 11:23 AM.
Now, I once again refer you to Captain Jean-Luc Picard.
Last edited by GameGeeks; 06-01-2011 at 12:11 PM.
I've read maybe 40-55% of what you wrote, and in all honesty, though you have your right to an opinion- it seems like a pointless debate; if it was a debate at all. The author wrote the story, which means, the author 'wanted' the story that way. It's her fiction to play with, not ours. Not every story has to be about female power and vice versa with males. Shonen is a genre made for males, usually with action packed sequences and protagonists that young males can connect with. Such a genre capitalizes on the male desires; like shapely females and strong protagonists, and quests for inner strength.
Let's get a definition of Sexism, shall we?
With these definitions in mind, let's think about the purpose of a story. It's entertainment, it can be used to teach life lessons as our ancestors have used them, and otherwise they can just be a general form of expression- even catharsis- as poetry can be. In this case we know a story such as FMA is about entertainment on the outside- regardless of it's inner themes. Truthfully I have not read or seen all of the series- but this is irrelevant, when it comes to the point at hand.
You are saying that it is sexist in general, but have you not thought about the author's intent? Do you really think it's plausible that a writer has a secret inferiority complex and wishes to hide it behind the guise of a manga/anime? Do you really believe she's just some woman who has an inner angst with feminine pride, and wishes to spite equality? OR JUST maybe it is more plausible that she had an idea for a story that JUST SO HAPPENED to have male main protagonists- and that the story JUST SO HAPPENED to focus on their escapades.
You make it seem like you think any story that just so happens to have males at their pivoting points, as main characters from which the audience sees the world, is sexist. Well, I don't see any discrimination, or prejudice going on here. It's one thing to blatantly discriminate against the other gender, no, another person- but it's completely another thing to interpret objectively neutral material as being sexist. =o
You can beg the question all you want, and try to interpret the story as sexist, but just because a story has male main characters doesn't outright mean it's sexist. And don't bring up your point that 'she sees men and women in a such and such way just because she draws them that way', maybe that's just how she's able to draw, maybe it's her style? Or maybe she felt anime/manga was such an open canvas that she could paint her own fantasy world of gender aesthetics, those that would appeal not just to her or the audience but also the story. The buff guy is buff because he's really strong, most of the males in that show seem to come from a military-esque background from what I've seen, so why can't they have the figures to show it? Maybe she represents females in a physically shapely light because she feels all women are beautiful regardless of their shape? As for personalities isn't it possible a character, and again I use this phrase, JUST SO HAPPENS to have a ditzy personality- just like how that guy down the street from you might be a creeper? Do you really believe she created these characters for the specific purpose of being some strange sexist representation of her worldview?
Look; I mean no offense, it just seems like you are beating a dead horse with this. If you don't like how aesthetics sell, and how authors envision their characters, than become one yourself and try to change the mainstream. Otherwise; either use it or get off the toilet.
.___.; Whew, there's my two cents.
Perhaps the world was never meant to make perfect sense.
She give them those personalities, they did not come into being, she thought about them and made them so.
No. She did not realise that, but I certainly did, and never will I understand how on Earth a woman could write a series such as this.
Last edited by NaokoElric2250; 06-02-2011 at 02:23 PM.
Yo yo yo I just heard you cried and left Deviant Art. What happened to being strong? Can't take the heat. LOL. Only whiny loser women cry when someone doesn't like them and calls themselves ugly -reference to earlier in the thread- [That's what 11 year old emo girls on myspace do]
Seems like everyone over there is happy. :]
In any case. And it says you watch these shows "The Simpsons", "Futrurama", "Family Guy" ........ Those are more "sexist" than FMA. Such a hypocrite indeed.
And I found this quote from you
Naoko, stop being so emo and let it go, your argument has no substance and with your whining you are contradicting what you are trying to preach.
Did you even read Harry Potter?I do think that a story with a main male lead is sexist. It pisses me off when a woman does it and badly. J.K Rowling did it right,
Mrs. Weasley is a house wife- Something you think is a waste of time.
Hermione cries, a lot- something you find weak.
Bellatrix Lestrange wants to implant Voldemort's "wand" in herself, not mentioning that she's emotionally and mentally unstable.
Fleur Delacor was a pretty pretty princess, all sorts of girly.
Ginny was easily manipulated by a book.
Trelawney is basically given a home and job out of pity.
Umbridge was a pink fanatic, and had a fetish for cats.
Nemphadora is a klutz, and cried when she couldn't get Lupin.
Clearly, by your definition of sexism, Rowling is an absolutely horrible misogynist.
Last edited by Anoleis; 06-01-2011 at 03:47 PM.
Don't forget.. Harry Potter is the main male lead. No matter how you look at it. It's named HARRY POTTER. Not Harry Potter and Hermine in some fine print
Man this chick is contradicting herself and basically not making a good argument at all. Basically just making herself look really dumb and ignorant. To put into simple terms:
And Naoko, if you still wanna whine about the way women are portrayed in FMA(which has an Industrial revolution styled setting, even though i'm not really a fan of the show), you can put deez in your mouth:
Man that is whack!
Token Black Guy
And yes, she did think about and create them, thus bringing them into being. That's how things are brought into our abstract reality. But what I'm trying to tell you is, that it is far less likely her 'INTENT' is that of sexism-based ideals, instead of a story the way she wanted to write it, With leads that just so happen to be male. Next you'll be telling me Yu-Gi-Oh! 5Ds was sexist because most of the leading roles are male, and yet, it has nothing to do with themes of gender power.
Just because alphabet soup has noodle letters in it doesn't mean it'll telling children to commit suicide in the school bathroom. What I'm trying to get across is; you can have a curvy ditsy female character in a series, but that doesn't mean the series is sexist.
Would you agree on the opposite end on the spectrum that anime/manga that involves main female leads with few male characters who are placed stereotypically to the side as sexist too? Angelic Layer is an anime series with mostly main female leads, where the male characters are more just a part of the side of the story, and are even the emotional support at times. By similar thought processes here, if I'm gathering right, this would be an anime sexist towards men, correct? Though if you feel this way I whole-heartedly disagree.
As it can go both ways, and if you disagree with that than that's hypocritical.
I'm not trying to tell you to feel differently or admit some lame internet form of defeat, what I am asking you is to open your eyes to objective logic- outside the box even. Just because you paint an exquisite picture of a duck in the waters of a beautiful glade doesn't mean that picture represents Duck-Supremacy. Am I right?
Perhaps the world was never meant to make perfect sense.
I do understand there are good male designers, and good male fashion-savvy people in regards to woman, such as Gok Wan. However, here is the problem: most of the clothing they design are feminine. They are not even in the middle of the “Tomboy - Girly Girl” spectrum, they are feminine. If a mans wants to design something for a woman, then they should make it neutral, not all-out feminine crap. And those men designing female lingerie really saw something about them, do you not think. What is the point in designer pants and bras, anyway? No one is going to see them expect perhaps a partner. If I had partner and she/he said “Check these designer lingerie/boxers” I would be thinking, “…and your point is?”
I just think we know more about our own gender, and therefore will understand what our own gender likes. If someone wants to branch out into the design/story of the opposite gender, well good for them, they should just make sure they did it right.
One female deviant, whose usernae escapes me right now, was kind of sexist. She said FMA would not be dones as good with females *shakes head*.
In the end you are still discriminating against sexes.
Wanna join in a lesbian orgy.. only girls know how to pleasure other girls.. Men don't know anything :/
I did not frelling ‘google’ it. I know what I meant because I read books and learn. How dare you say something like that when you do not even know me. I am not stupid.
BTW, not everyone flamed the frell out of my rant. Unlike most people there were ten or so people whom actually understood what I was saying, and they actually thought about it. Some people, though disagreeing with some or most areas, still said it was good as it made them think. Like this:
Last edited by NaokoElric2250; 06-02-2011 at 03:03 PM.
And thats why you have 35 comments on your "wah wah wah I'm leaving" blog.. All 35 are pertained to wanting you gone. No one tried to make you stay. And LOL that one person is probably the only person.
...............Beating a dead horse.
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