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    Default Re: PSN Down

    at first i wasnt too worried about it but now i think ill go to my bank and have them issue me a new card.
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    Default Re: PSN Down

    I've never heard about this until I heard about it at school in my Digital media class.
    I haven't been on PSN for a while since my internet connection doesn't work.

    Too bad they had to shut the network down. :c

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    Well i know that i haven't used a Credit-Card on PSN since i have never actually purchased anything, though the timing couldn't be worse with all the big titles that came out last week. I somehow doubt that they will be after XBL though, it seems like they may have had their reasons for doing it. Hopefully it will be a warning sign to the other companies though to beef up their security measures if they are insufficient.

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    LOL IT JUST GOT REAL
    [QUOTEFBI Cybercrimes Joins 22 States In Sweeping PlayStation Network Investigation

    Brian Crecente — The Federal Bureau of Investigations today confirmed to Kotaku that it is looking into the security breach that brought the Playstation Network down and exposed millions of users' personal data to cybercriminals.

    The FBI is joined by nearly two dozen state attorneys general and possibly the Federal Trade Commission who are looking into this month's Playstation Network hack attack which forced Sony to take their PS3 online service offline for more than a week.

    Sony told Kotaku that they reported the security breach to the FBI's cybercrimes unit in San Diego. Contacted Thursday, an FBI spokesman confirmed that they were looking into the reports.

    "The FBI is aware of the reports concerning the alleged intrusion into the Sony on line game server and we have been in contact with Sony concerning this matter," said FBI special agent Darrell Foxworth. "We are presently reviewing the available information in an effort to determine the facts and circumstances concerning this alleged criminal activity."

    Meanwhile attorneys general from 22 states are demanding answers from Sony over the breach, asking why it took the company so long to alert customers to the attack.

    That group of state attorneys general are sharing information with one another about their individual inquiries, Susan Kinsman, communications director for the Connecticut Office of the Attorney General told Kotaku.

    The collection of attorneys general have also contacted the Federal Trade Commission to see if they have launched their own federal investigation, she said.

    The Federal Trade Commission could have jurisdiction in a case involving loss of customer data through a security breach, FTC spokeswoman Claudia Bourne Farrell told Kotaku. But the FTC does not discuss or confirm ongoing investigations.

    Kinsman also declined to say whether the FTC has launched their own investigation.

    "A call has been made to the FTC and there will be discussions, but I can't comment on whether the FTC is investigating," she said.

    While Kinsman was able to confirm that attorneys general from at least 22 states were looking into the Sony breach and how it might affect consumers in their states, she declined to say which states that included.

    Connecticut's own attorney general sent a letter to Sony Computer Entertainment of America President and CEO Jack Tretton on Wednesday. The letter demanded answers to a number of questions including what data was stolen, who was responsible, how long the company knew and what was being done to make sure it doesn't happen again.

    "The fact that sensitive information was apparently accessed without authorization makes me especially concerned about the possibility of financial fraud and targeted phishing scams," Connecticut Attorney General George Jepsen wrote. "What is more troubling is Sony's apparent failure to promptly and adequately notify affected individuals of this large-scale breach."

    The letter goes on to outline a baker's dozen questions.

    Kinsman said the letter was sent out Wednesday and that the office has not yet heard anything back from SCEA.

    Sony officials told Kotaku that it wasn't until Monday, after an outside security group conducted an extensive investigation, that they realized customer data had been stolen. That data included names, passwords and other identifying information. Sony doesn't believe credit card numbers were stolen. If it was, that data is also encrypted when it is stored, they said.

    Anyone with information concerning the breach is asked to contact the FBI at 858-565-1255or 1-877-EZ-2-TELL. Cyber tips may be e-mailed to the Internet Crime Complaint Center.

    Source: http://kotaku.com/#!5796832/fbi-cybe...-investigation][/QUOTE]

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    Default Re: PSN Down

    When I first heard of this I immediately thought about GeoHot since he just recently settled with PSN. I don't have a PS3 so I don't worry. Xbox now that's a different story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaitou+ View Post
    Again, it's not some hackers that wanted to hack COD...just some mad hackers cause Sony won over GeHotz in court and Sony supposedly are blocking us from "our rights" to hack the PS3. Get them facts straight. =3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kylesico912 View Post
    Last I checked the right to hack is not in the American constitution. Im also pretty sure its not a right in Japan. One time I was playing a Uncharted 2 on the PSN and a hacker completely ruined the co-op I was playing. Hackers make things totally unfun. Dumb hackers .
    No...

    The issue is that some people bought the console specifically because it was advertised that the console could run Linux and function as a personal computer. That was once part of the "It Does Everything" spiel. Sony later, without any choice or notification, issued a firmware update that removed this feature; if you declined the update, you were denied other advertised features, like playing newer games or using PSN. (Ironically, disabling the "Other OS" feature was supposed to help security.)
    The social issue and the first legal is not hacking, but rather that Sony, as it is wont to do, cheated quite a few customers. What they did was illegal, even considering GeoHot's improper response, which might be why everyone involved was so eager to settle.
    The issue of GeoHot's patch, which would allow use of the Other OS feature again, is another matter to discuss. (The law around the issue says GeoHot was wrong, but that law is contradicted by older, existing law governing property, sales and consumer protections, so who in Hell knows what it all really means.)

    Having said all that, this latest hack/crack seems unrelated to the Other OS feature and the related happenings, instead motivated more by greed than animosity.


    Regarding XBL: Frankly, I'd expect it to topple at some point, too, just because Microsoft seems habitually incapable of securing any system hooked up to a network, and because their servers are crap anyway. Give it time, and it will happen, though I wouldn't be surprised if they manage to bungle it all by themselves, somehow.
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    Yeah I know that, but Sony as a company must protect any exploid that will lead it to hurt their company. I know that not everyone thinks the same, like let's use a gun for example. People uses guns for personal protection..or even, police are allowed to use them..but just because some pricks exist, that doesn't mean that it needs to be banned altogether, I get that. I am still right though, a lot of these people are GeoHotz' followers.

    To be honest, the hackers are right and wrong and same goes to Sony.

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    Lol. Xbox people don't go around thinking this can't happen to xbl because quite frankly it can and probably will though probably not the same people. They are going to probably get out of this mess once found out.

    I never expected it to drag out this long. Wouldn't Sony have some sort of back-up somewhere as opposed to building the entire system from scratch?



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    I think they're rebuilding the system from scratch to implement better code and security. By rebuilding from the ground up instead of patching, it's less likely they'll leave a gap somewhere that could be exploited in the future. What they should do after they're done is hire a hacker to try and break through in any way they can and then close those areas if possible.

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    It will be up by next week Tuesday or Wednesday.

    Also, XBL got hacked in 2007, I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GameGeeks View Post
    I think they're rebuilding the system from scratch to implement better code and security. By rebuilding from the ground up instead of patching, it's less likely they'll leave a gap somewhere that could be exploited in the future. What they should do after they're done is hire a hacker to try and break through in any way they can and then close those areas if possible.
    But then as fate would have it said hacker would be able to figure something out then they'd sue them and be all "Y U NO PRETEND OUR SYSTEM WAS UNHACkABLE! THEIR TRUST.. GONE!"

    They should get Annon for that task. I'm sure they'd get a kick out of hacking them for some $$ and not harming the users at the same time.


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    There's professional hackers out there. People who do it for a living. There's even competitions around hacking. It's not that difficult to find someone who wont try to gain personally from it. Well minus the competition aspect. They'd gain what ever the prize money was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blueangel06661 View Post
    But then as fate would have it said hacker would be able to figure something out then they'd sue them and be all "Y U NO PRETEND OUR SYSTEM WAS UNHACkABLE! THEIR TRUST.. GONE!"

    They should get Annon for that task. I'm sure they'd get a kick out of hacking them for some $$ and not harming the users at the same time.
    This is usually what professional companies actually do to test system security; they hire a professional hacker (or team of hackers - even ex-prison convicted personnel) to deliberately hack their systems (or attempt to) in order to test vulnerability, stability, and to thus fix anything that shows up.

    I know this because my college did this twice. Also I've helped them as well as my library pick up exploits/backdoors in their security software - best example (though not really hacking, just literal brute-force) was I discovered a bypass on the library's login system which basically would let anyone use the PC for infinite time without booking or paying, and it was so simple even my computer-retarded cousin figured it out when I gave him a very basic rundown of it. :P

    So yeah ... Sony needs to do that. maybe not Anonymous; not intentionally trying to offend, but I wouldn't trust them for this. A similar but trustworthy hacking corporation would be required.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaitou+ View Post
    Also, XBL got hacked in 2007, I believe.
    I don't think that was hacking..

    I remember microsoft shut down XBL for like.. 24 hours to do some service maintenance, and everyone started to completely freak out because they thought XBL was gone or something

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    Yeah but they did step down once consumers were being targeted rather than the company. Gotta give them credit for that. And yeah I know all about professional hacking seeing as my friend is going into it. After being arrested for hacking a hospital for personal use. But yeah it'd be more interesting to watch anon hack the system to get paid rather than just some random hacking company. :|


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ericgamer1 View Post
    I don't think that was hacking..

    I remember microsoft shut down XBL for like.. 24 hours to do some service maintenance, and everyone started to completely freak out because they thought XBL was gone or something
    Nah, that was on 2008, around Christmas week because the servers got flooded with so many people playing Gears 2, Halo 3, COD5 and even GTAIV.

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    I've been paid to hack once - and that was by a friend of my dad, who needed me to hack his computer because a virus had locked him out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranshiin View Post
    This is usually what professional companies actually do to test system security; they hire a professional hacker (or team of hackers - even ex-prison convicted personnel) to deliberately hack their systems (or attempt to) in order to test vulnerability, stability, and to thus fix anything that shows up.

    I know this because my college did this twice. Also I've helped them as well as my library pick up exploits/backdoors in their security software - best example (though not really hacking, just literal brute-force) was I discovered a bypass on the library's login system which basically would let anyone use the PC for infinite time without booking or paying, and it was so simple even my computer-retarded cousin figured it out when I gave him a very basic rundown of it. :P

    So yeah ... Sony needs to do that. maybe not Anonymous; not intentionally trying to offend, but I wouldn't trust them for this. A similar but trustworthy hacking corporation would be required.
    Firstly, I wouldn't consider Anonymous hackers- not most of them, anyway. A small handful of hackers, a gaggle of script-kiddies, and hordes of "Me too!" DDoS'ers, maybe.
    Secondly, would it be quixotic to distinguish between hackers and crackers at this point? :|
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    That's why I wouldn't call anon hackers. Not sure if I'd even call them crackers since all they tend to do is DDoS attacks. Anyone can pull it off since a program does the work for you. All you do in such a case is overwhelm the server till it crashes. This is what leads me to believe it's not anon doing it but someone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheAsterisk! View Post
    Firstly, I wouldn't consider Anonymous hackers- not most of them, anyway. A small handful of hackers, a gaggle of script-kiddies, and hordes of "Me too!" DDoS'ers, maybe.
    Secondly, would it be quixotic to distinguish between hackers and crackers at this point? :|
    Ironically, I made the reference regarding differences between hackers and crackers in Kie_D_K's (aka niKopol?) blog regarding PSN's downage.

    I actually need to look for that article again. I need to read Kie's reply to it.

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    It's likely not Anonymous who are to blame. Although, they have both claimed responsibility and also denied involvement in this; a deliberate intent of creating a moot standing with regards to them ... they really do like messing with people, after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GameGeeks View Post
    This is what leads me to believe it's not anon doing it but someone else.
    At some point they already came forth and admitted it wasn't their doing. So what happens when they figure it out? Do they erase all of our private data off of their hands and we can shrug and forget it ever happened a few online gaming matches later?


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    Well, with anon, you can never tell what's a lie. If anything they say can be taken seriously. Which it can't due to their very nature. As for the data, as is human nature, we'll forget about it and move on. Personal data like this getting leaked like this is becoming more and more common as technology progresses. Most you can do is change your passwords ever few months and keep up with your credit reports to try and catch anything strange that might happen.

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    That, or just never buy anything with a credit card.

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