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    Default Quran Burning Minister Returns!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/19/terry-jones-quran-burning_n_851193.html?icid=maing-grid7|aim|dl3|sec3_lnk1|57135


    For those who dont know. During the last anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, Minister Terry Jones burned copies of Quran as a protest against Islam. This caused a number of riots in Afghanistan, which caused at least 20 known deaths (not sure about other countries who are not under international pressure).

    BUT, no he's back, with a plan to hold a rally against Islam in front of the largest Mosque (the Muslim Equivalent of a Church) in the US, the Islamic Center of America. The plan is to have it on Good Friday, the day when Jesus was crucified.


    Anyway, some Michigan prosecutors are trying to stop this because it might cause more violence.


    Thoughts?

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    We need the Green Berets or Navy SEALS to take him out; he's getting on my nerves by being an a**hat...
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    Default Re: Quran Burning Minister Returns!

    He doesn't earn my respect. He's causing trouble and he's doing things HE wants not what God wants. To be real honest, I think the almighty should smite him for being real stupid. It won't get him nowhere saying his opinion and not following what God really wants. How I see it he just hates Islamic and Muslim beliefs and anything involving it just because of what happened. Ugh, he's very stupid.

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    Default Re: Quran Burning Minister Returns!

    Quote Originally Posted by Huffington Post
    Jones told a Detroit television station that he still plans to go ahead with the rally, adding that he comes in peace but that he and his followers will be carrying guns.
    I don't care what you're protesting; when you carry guns around with you on a supposedly peaceful rally, you're inciting violence and a sense of fear. If you fear for your lives, hire and/or request professional and armed protection.

    Quote Originally Posted by Huffington Post
    Jones claims he is protesting only against radical Muslims and is not against all who practice Islam.
    ...And the reason you're rallying in front of a peaceful Muslim mosque is for what reason then...? Nice way to contradict yourself.

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    "We have made it very clear that we are coming there with very, very peaceful intentions," Jones told the television station. "We will be armed. We do have concealed weapons permits."
    Lol wut?

    Seriously though, there is not even the slightest inkling with which to take this guy or his words seriously. All there is here is a fervent need to kick his retarded butt into place and stop him from ever making one of these demonstrations; for all they do, and all they ever will do, is incite fear and hatred into people's hearts. Whether he actually believes he cares about God or the Bible's true intentions, I honestly don't know. If he does, then he's sure done one hell of a job fooling himself.

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    Default Re: Quran Burning Minister Returns!

    He's an idiot. Sadly, there can be no laws against being an idiot, as that would apparently overcrowd the prisons and cost a ton of money.

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    Default Re: Quran Burning Minister Returns!

    I've burnt plenty of Qurans in my time. They burn almost as well as Bibles, Torahs and books containing Eastern philosophy.
    Nah, I kid, most tend to cost more then those $2 novels you find in bargain bins. Now THOSE make good kindling.
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    Why are there always crazy and stupid Christians that gotta beef with Muslims?(No disrespect to decent christians out there.) Somebody should take this fool out. DEA, CIA, NSA, Green Beret, FBI, SWAT, Marines, SEALS, I don't give a ****. Just bust a cap in this fool son!
    Man that is whack!

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    He's got nothing on Thunderf00t.
    This is a Sig. It's horribly out of date.

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    Default Re: Quran Burning Minister Returns!

    I think he's an idiot, but it doesn't matter. The world is full of trolls, and Muslims should learn their lesson sooner or later. Nobody's an exception.
     

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    Default Re: Quran Burning Minister Returns!

    Oh, religion. Why must you always find a way to piss everyone off?

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    @Eris No, but there are laws against disturbing the peace. And chances are, if he does this it'll certainly fall under that. He's basically inciting a riot. Though at most he'd receive a fine for that.

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    Default Re: Quran Burning Minister Returns!

    Quote Originally Posted by Shinn Kamiyra View Post
    The guy is full of contradictions.
    He knows what he is doing will illicit an angry response and does it anyways.




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    He probably mistook the name of the book he is trying to burn for another one. I'm pretty sure he meant to burn Twilight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SigmaSD View Post
    He probably mistook the name of the book he is trying to burn for another one. I'm pretty sure he meant to burn Twilight.
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    Default Re: Quran Burning Minister Returns!

    I'm pretty sure not just Christians enjoy seeing the Quran being burned, but people who do not like those of an Arabic and/or Persian ethnic background. Sad, but true. I'm face palming.
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    Default Re: Quran Burning Minister Returns!

    Quote Originally Posted by GameGeeks View Post
    @Eris No, but there are laws against disturbing the peace. And chances are, if he does this it'll certainly fall under that. He's basically inciting a riot. Though at most he'd receive a fine for that.
    I suppose they could try to pin him on treason, seeing as he knowingly engages in acts that threaten national security and government employees and this and that. Though I would really feel uneasy about the precedent that would set.

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    Default Re: Quran Burning Minister Returns!

    As much as I don't like judging people based on their appearance, he DOES look like a nutcase in his picture.

    And this is what happens when religions begin to assert their own righteousness/dominance.

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    Default Re: Quran Burning Minister Returns!

    ahh the stereotypical dumb racist Christian returns, nothing personal to the 99.99% of Christians who arn't so ****ing retarded

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    Anyway, some Michigan prosecutors are trying to stop this because it might cause more violence.
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    @Eris No, but there are laws against disturbing the peace. And chances are, if he does this it'll certainly fall under that. He's basically inciting a riot. Though at most he'd receive a fine for that.
    I am hung up on these concerns, as they tacitly accept the notion that Muslims are incapable of voluntary reaction, and instead are seemingly pathologically compulsive, and can't control themselves whenever someone breaks Islam's rules.
    After all, if it's the hick Christian's fault when Muslims lose their marbles, even if he is a provocateur, then that implies that the Muslims in question are somehow blameless for violence, and you can't expect the violence or pin incitement on this wingnut if you don't hold such a dismal view of the Muslims' ethics and restraint.

    In the form of an analogy, by such reasoning the doctors and staff who perform abortions are partly to blame if or when some lunatic decides to bomb a clinic, and might be charged criminally for provoking the lovely, pro-life, true-believer Christian who blew up the place.
    Is the crappy reasoning apparent in this example?

    You don't get to go violently bananas just because someone or something doesn't agree with you; that's what signs, shouting and platitudes of support for pretentious protests are for.

    I would normally condemn such an unspoken assumption as seems to be present in the two quotes above as condescending and asinine. Once I consider the reaction to the Danish newspaper's cartoon of Mohammad, though, while I still assign blame to the actors and scorn to the stupid, I can't help but wonder what in Hell is wrong with so many people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheAsterisk! View Post
    I am hung up on these concerns, as they tacitly accept the notion that Muslims are incapable of voluntary reaction, and instead are seemingly pathologically compulsive, and can't control themselves whenever someone breaks Islam's rules.
    After all, if it's the hick Christian's fault when Muslims lose their marbles, even if he is a provocateur, then that implies that the Muslims in question are somehow blameless for violence, and you can't expect the violence or pin incitement on this wingnut if you don't hold such a dismal view of the Muslims' ethics and restraint.
    It's a shared blame. If you perform an action knowing it will likely incite violence, then you are responsible for said violence. Not solely, but partially. Compare for example with how you are considered partially responsible for a death if you hire a hit-man to kill someone.

    The reasoning is also similar to that behind reckless endangerment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eris View Post
    It's a shared blame. If you perform an action knowing it will likely incite violence, then you are responsible for said violence. Not solely, but partially. Compare for example with how you are considered partially responsible for a death if you hire a hit-man to kill someone.
    Hiring a hitman is akin to conspiracy to commit murder. Doing things people think are offensive, then the offended parties independently going bonkers and rioting like the apocalypse is imminent is not at all the same relationship- ethically or legally. (You could argue it socially, but I'd probably disagree then, too.)
    The reasoning is also similar to that behind reckless endangerment.
    Still not addressing the apparent assumption about Muslims being savage, unreasoning, compulsive beasts who just can't help themselves when their orthodoxy isn't universally applied. It's right up there with the classic excuse of domestic abuse: "I didn't want to that, baby, but you made me."
    Absolutely astounding.


    From another angle, for the sake of consistency, if it shouldn't be legally permissible to burn the Quran, then the US government probably shouldn't also be funding and displaying art comprised of a crucifix soaked in urine. (I personally don't give a damn about either, but I'm always big on consistency, and the incongruity in reception is striking.)

    There's also that whole 1st amendment thing. You know, no biggie, just the federal US Constitution.

    Besides, if it's generally okay to burn or hang someone in effigy- Hell, it's been to score of US presidents- then what is so damned special about burning a book?
    Yeah, Jones is an idiot, but so are all the morons getting worked up over it. If it helps, think of Jones as a troll IRL.


    Banning expression because it is offensive, or because some loonies will react badly or even violently to it, is folly. If we were discussing this instead, everyone would get all high-minded and talk about how art is sacred, and those kids must have just been deranged anyway.
    What's different, really, besides the intensity of the media coverage and the demographic of the interested parties?
    This nonsense is in the same realm as Joe Lieberman's perennial crusades against violent videogames, or suburbanites getting all up into a tizzy over rap music, albeit with the added draw of a foreign culture.

    It's all still reactionary crap.
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    No one ever said Muslims where savage, unreasoning or compulsive. Personally, the few Muslims I've met have seemed very hospitable and welcoming. What he's doing is going a step beyond simple protesting. He's looking to get some sort of reaction out of Muslims. While I get what you're saying about the fear of banning of expression, and it's valid, it's at the same time not right to attack a specific group like he's doing. It's quite evident that the only reason he's doing it is to get a reaction. He quite obviously gets some enjoyment out of it as is evident back in September when he said he wouldn't do it if they didn't build a Mosque on ground Zero. He's on nothing more then a power trip. Basically, freedom of expression is fine, attacking a group or organization in a way that makes it seem like they started it if they retaliate, is not.

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    It's a little sad, considering all he's doing is blaspheming his own religion's guidelines. Tolerance, people. Tolerance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheAsterisk! View Post
    Still not addressing the apparent assumption about Muslims being savage, unreasoning, compulsive beasts who just can't help themselves when their orthodoxy isn't universally applied. It's right up there with the classic excuse of domestic abuse: "I didn't want to that, baby, but you made me."
    Absolutely astounding.

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    This is such a strawman. We know from history that there exists a subset of muslims that are violent extremists. This does not go to say that all muslims are violent extremists. But "protests" like this add fuel to the extremists' fire. They can point to this as proof that westerners hate islam. This allows this subset to grow in number, as we know that nothing rallies violent people like an external threat.

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