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demonplight
12-28-2003, 03:03 PM
Now I know that hentai holds a nasty stigma, but if it is truly artistic then is it alright to post it. There is a Ecchi wallpaper section on this site. But so far i have not heard of any one making, or posting one on this forum. Why?

diablo111
12-28-2003, 03:19 PM
Make one and post it yourself...

demonplight
12-28-2003, 03:20 PM
ok, give me about 45 min.

omicron_15
12-28-2003, 06:00 PM
check back in the old posts, I have an echi wallpaper

demonplight
12-28-2003, 06:16 PM
ok i flung this together, I know its a little rough around the edges but here it is.

**image removed by pooky**

onslaught2029
12-28-2003, 07:00 PM
I don't know if you wanted feedback on it, but here's some anyway.

First, the background would probably look better in some shade of blue, especially if you sampled a shade of blue from her hair.

I don't know if this is a first or final draft, but if you decide to work more on it, smooth the edges on the cutout.

Rei is alittle too bright for the background she's on too.

Of course its all just some suggestions, so if I sound alittle too critical, I apologize for that. Cool wall tho.

haruko
12-28-2003, 08:35 PM
yeah the backround could use changing but is that fan art? dosnt look like the real artist drew that

demonplight
12-28-2003, 10:44 PM
well is this better?

*image removed by pooky*

MistressPookyChan
12-28-2003, 11:40 PM
The reason that you don't see hentai images (or those of sexual nature) on the forums is because it is against animeglobe.com rules. artistic nudity has been accepted in the past. This image (obviously fan art) and the wording on this wallpaper is obviously ment to be sexual in nature. Sorry, but rules are rules and even I must follow them.

haruko
12-28-2003, 11:54 PM
damn that sucks. i cant really understand because that is meant for art and hentai is meant for well not for artictic purposes. but if thats what animeglobe says then i guess thats what go's

RequiMem
12-29-2003, 12:25 AM
Often it's the hosting company who sets the rules on that. Every once in a while i'll make an ecchi paper but post it on deviantART under a different name just so my (future) host won't get annoyed.

demonplight
12-29-2003, 03:29 PM
The question is where is the line drawn between art, and pornagraphic materal. Art is any thing estheticly pleasing, any thing that enspires thought. Pornography is acording to Dictionary.com: Sexually explicit pictures, writing, or other material whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal.
Question i ask is, when it involves nudity, but is not sexualy arousing what is it? just because it has nudity does that mean it is adult materal? where is the line drawn, and who draws it? Animaeglobe?
We all watch anime, we see the lines of society being tested every time we see a great work like NGE, are we as fans to become hypacritical to the works we admire so much, are we to only enjoy the art when it is convient. Animefoum is a fan based forum, an acult forum of sorts. should they not draw their line parellel to that of the anime that its members watch, enjoy, and admire, or will it draw its line perpendicular?

haruko
12-29-2003, 05:10 PM
that was a very good speal :^_^: (i am sincere and not sarcastic) you make a very good point. for that is not pornographic it is art

demonplight
12-29-2003, 05:41 PM
Thank you, if any one takes offence to what I said, I apoligize, but I had to say It. Some one may take the case against my point saying Im a newbee, but new blood fuels all things, and I'm still learning.
But my point stands.

MistressPookyChan
12-30-2003, 01:02 AM
Hey now, i am just following what the boss told me. If you must post your hentai up, then you'll have to go somewhere else.

The reason why sexually explicit images are not allowed here is because many people on this forum are minors. Because of this, any content that is on the website can be seen by them. If it is shown that AG.com is allowing minors to see sexually explicit images, AG.com could get into a lot of trouble. Another rule that AG.com follows is one of official images vs. fanart images. This image is obviously fan art; however, if it was official art the site could be more lenient in allowing it to be shown.

Another reason for not allowing those images is a respect thing. Not everyone wants to see it. Why do you think I make ya'll do warnings for even the littlest panty shot? because people get offended. This wallpaper, as is other hentai, is sexually explicit (otherwise it wouldnt be call hentai). So respect the rules and not post hentai up here. thanks!

demonplight
12-30-2003, 12:54 PM
I dont have an adult filter on my comp because I'm 19, and even when I was a minor I didn't, but wont an adult filter block the word hentai, and keep them from accessing the this thread. also the word Hentai would tell people what is on this thread, so they would be warned. and look at how many people looked at this thread I guess some people want to see it. and It was a liscenced work froma magna thigie.
but can I post a link to it if i put it on another site?

Eyerate
12-30-2003, 03:20 PM
Heres my take on the situation. The issue is not the hentai being posted being offensive. The fact of the matter is that animeglobe.com is an organization with alot of members under the legal age of 18. I did not see the image before it was removed although if its being called "hentai" then i assume it was sexually explicit and not just nudity. Nudity can be a beautiful thing as can other sexually explicit acts, however animeglobe.com is not a strictly adult website therefore they do not want to expose underage users to nudity. Its as simple as that. And if you would like to argue that because it is "art" its ok for minors to view then i would ask you to think about what the word "art" really means. Some would argue that the rape and murder of someone videotaped is art. Would you show that to not only a minor but anyone at all? So arguing this is quite pointless as the standard is set. I would pose one more question to you all though. You say this is turning your back on the very anime you love to enjoy but what exactly is anime? Anime is a VERY broad range of animated works. Some have no blood and are geared towards everyone(i.e. hamtaro, love hina), while some are more geared toward adults and have explicit scenes of nudity and violence which push the envelope(i.e. NGE, Akira, Gits). Some even blur that line(i.e. Trigun) with comedy and mild violence. In the end it to answer that question you asked "where is the line drawn, and who draws it? Animaeglobe?", the answer is yes. This is animeglobe.com therefore they draw every line. Sorry for the long rant just thought some would appreciate my insight.

-Eye

demonplight
12-30-2003, 03:44 PM
look this up for one thing:
Mapplethorpe's show The Perfect Moment
second it had nudity, but no sexual content.(refering to the wall paper in question)
and with the constent changes with what is acceptable for people to view as art, one can never be sure. but here in this forum I would think that there is an abudent supply of edeucated people, considering the materal proudly posted, and general way it is edited.
I can think back to many works that in their day where not excepted modanna of the rocks is one. and then we have these up tight christian zelots who try to band any thing that is not in the Bible, I'm sorry but Kiss, and Elvis are here to stay. whats that they are acceptable, well they wherent in thier own day. now we have Maralyn Manson, who is today hated by many consertives, but I enjoy his music.
I did not attend for any find it offencive, but it is out there, and you can look at the number of people who have looked at this thread, apperantly there is an interest in it in fact i would like to know from what group in the AG population is looking at it.

ownerizer
12-30-2003, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by demonplight@Dec 30 2003, 02:44 PM
look this up for one thing:
Mapplethorpe's show The Perfect Moment
second it had nudity, but no sexual content.(refering to the wall paper in question)
and with the constent changes with what is acceptable for people to view as art, one can never be sure. but here in this forum I would think that there is an abudent supply of edeucated people, considering the materal proudly posted, and general way it is edited.
I can think back to many works that in their day where not excepted modanna of the rocks is one. and then we have these up tight christian zelots who try to band any thing that is not in the Bible, I'm sorry but Kiss, and Elvis are here to stay. whats that they are acceptable, well they wherent in thier own day. now we have Maralyn Manson, who is today hated by many consertives, but I enjoy his music.
I did not attend for any find it offencive, but it is out there, and you can look at the number of people who have looked at this thread, apperantly there is an interest in it in fact i would like to know from what group in the AG population is looking at it.
I am a Christian but I'm not an uptight person. I think you might be pushing things a bit far. Be careful what you say.

demonplight
12-30-2003, 04:47 PM
I did not mean to group all christians together as a whole, I my self am a Christian (baptist), I was refering to the consertive ones, the extreme right wings, not the population as a whole.

MistressPookyChan
12-31-2003, 01:32 AM
First, I don't think ya'll know what "hentai" means. Hentai does not mean nudity. Hentai, in part, encompasses sexual content. You yourself called the wallpaper hentai, meaning that you thought it had sexual content. AnimeGlobe is not against nudity (there has been some art in the fanart section that contained nudity), but the site does have an issue with sexual content (aka "hentai").

As for filters: not all filters will filter out "hentai". Why? Because it's not an english word! Just because we all know what hentai means doesnt mean that the mass majority does. Some filters have a set of common words that are blocked, but some ask parents to put the words in. If they don't know hentai, they cant put it in the filter.

Third point: start bashing people or stereotyping people because of their beliefs and this thread will be closed. If you don't remember the rules of the forum, go look at them. I am keeping this thread open because i thought it would be a good debate. Let's keep it that way.

Gestahr
12-31-2003, 03:22 AM
You people and your opinions. :o

demonplight
12-31-2003, 04:04 AM
ok I added 18+ in the discription, but there really is no reasion. and I dont bash people for thier beliefs, I only made a experenced educated observation. Thats why there is an explanition in ther some ware. also in A.P. stat. we learned not to use the popluation as a whole, but a sample, I definded a specific sample, (Mr. Stauffer would be proud) a small group that all other things being equal, what I said does stand. i pointed out the group of Christians that is extreme right winged, not Christians as a whole. To do so would make a loaded, and bias statement. and would be counter productive. My point is this Just because there is nudity, and some mature(not adult) content does not make it pornagraphic materal. To use any standards to defin Art would be feutile, art is the ever present, ever advancing force that propels societies foward. You can see it in ever generation. and when we watch our beloved anime we see the boundries often. also rating things on age is flaud, the first movie I ever saw in theatures was The Hunt for Red October, rated R, when I was 5 years old. it should be up to the legal guardian, perental unit, people mature at different rates.( that was off subeject.)
Ok I took out the 18+, and put in a better discription, just to keep the perverts out. This thread is for debate, not getting you jollies off. OK?!

Eyerate
12-31-2003, 11:16 AM
If your going to try to make a statement about EDUCATION, it may be wise to proofread before you post. Anyway i dont see what your arguing here? Censorship? Religious belief? I have a revelation for you, everything is censored. And i already explained in my previous post that "art" can be fecal matter spread on the side of a barn. Just because your labeling the image as "art" does not make it appropriate for all ages to view. Music is art is it not? Oh well down with those pesky parental advisory stickers and store policy then! Lets sell music graphically depicting sex, drug use, and suicide to small children. Not very smart now is it? Im fairly stupified that you called the image hentai without even knowing the correct definition of the word. This entire arguement boils down to discretion. If your of age and feel like looking at hentai or adult oriented anime/manga then thats totally cool. The thing is not everyone on this forum is of age. Matter of fact i would venture to guess 40%+ are under 18. As far as your religion comments i find your ideas to leave a bad taste in my mouth. You speak down about the right wing conservatives but at the sime your speaking from a radical left wing perspective. The fact that you would even attack someones religion for being conservative and not condoning pornographic material is ridiculous. Think before you post. Your words start like a crusade for free expression and end like a plead for genocide. In summation your upset because kids arent allowed to look at your "hentai" wallpapers. Well this is how the world works, someone always decides for children what they can and cant see. It needs to be done. Otherwise kids would eat candy all day and eventually regress into primal acts. In this case AG.Com decides for those children. Point Blank.

-Eye

demonplight
12-31-2003, 02:27 PM
I would never sujust that adult oreantated mater be sold to "small" children. I would only ask that materal be sold under parental consent, to group all youth together is flaud. We all mentaly mature at different rates.
Religion does play an importent role in this argument. It is society that determins what is art, and the Church plays an important role in the morality of a society. I respect, and honor people right to worship to what ever god they choose, in what ever way they choose. I only apose them when they try to force their own beliefs apon the general public.
Crucade, never has there benn a more abominable concept then that of a holy war, you can look at recent history and see the effects of crucade lead by a miss guided few.
Yes consertives do hold back social development, and it is the lyberials that advance it. the consertives protect, and conserve what the last generations of lyberials have fought to produce, and it is the moderates who just fallow, and practice. It is human nature to fallow, fear, and explore. with all respect to the Holy Cannon, it is edited, cut, and violated by people trying to changs God's word to suit their own lives. That is fact look it up. with no disrespect to the fallowers Holy Dogma protects the fallowers, but does not protect the people that corrupt it.
Henta refers to any thing perverted direct translation, any thing that desplays sexual materal. does to current popular social belief that the human body is perverted, and to be covered up, yes I think the title fitted it just fine. It showed Rei off of NGE nude, that by common social docterin is perverted.
For the record I am not a pure lyberial, I'm a lyberial consertive. My only relgius goal is to restore the christianity to the way Jesus Christ had attneded. I do this by making people aware of the facts, and letting them find the truth in their own way. I do not push it down their throat.
I am not mad at the fact my wall paper was taken off the board, I really could care less, if I was offended I would simply post it on another web site.
and because I do not try to tell people what is approprate for them or not, I simply make them aware of what is on the other side of the door, and alow them, and their parents(if matruity demands them to have parential concent) turn the nob.
I'm sure if you look hard enough you will find a conflicting statement in my posts, but thats because you are listing to the lyrics, and not the music. think macro, not micro, big picture. picking out a specific sample allowed me to make a defentive statement that supported my openion. Where is yours?
P.S. Spelling is not my strong point, history, science, math, and philosophy are.
think out side the box, in side of it it is full and cluttered, out side is all the room you need to sit down and relat in tranquality and think.

Eyerate
12-31-2003, 04:57 PM
You sir, are quite troubled. You say that if an excerpt from your rants is absurd that we should simply disreguard it and look at the big picture? Did you not speak of "right wing zealots" in a prior post. Now your trying to press your beliefs onto others that conservatives are wrong. You are even on a quest to return dogma to the way jesus intended it? That sir, is one of the single most ridiculous things i have heard in my life. Did you ever stand in the presence of the man they called jesus christ? Can you even prove to me he existed? Your kind of thinking is not liberal. Its radical. Your anti-conformity yet pro-harmony? The two coincide. If everyone had diffrent absolute goals nothing would ever be accomplished. And PROOFREAD. Your spelling just shows us that you really dont know what your talking about. If you were truely a philosophically enlightened individual you would realise that philosophy is conformity as well. Philosophy is simply explanations of the world around us as concieved by men who had alot of time on their hands. There is not one philiosopher that was "liberal". You also throw that term around much to much just as you do hentai. To take a liberal stance on something is not to be against it. To have a liberal stance is to feel change is needed. If we went along your path of thought then hitler would be simply a liberal. And the crusades were not wars waged in the name of god nor is that word defined as holy war. They adopted that stigma later on. The crusades were wars waged for control of the holy land. Noone was fighting in the name of god. I believe your confusting the word crusade with jihad. I myself am an athiest. I believe in science. The idea of god is a joke to me. However i do not press that belief on anyone as its not my place to "guide" others as you so feel you must. In conclusion, you contradict yourself more than you support. You babble about religion and philosophy without even grasping the most basic concepts of either. Go to school, read books, and listen to people that are wiser than you. Dont accept everything they say but listen to it all. I advise you to be able to change your trunks by yourself before you attempt to join the adult swim.

-Eye

ownerizer
12-31-2003, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by Eyerate@Dec 31 2003, 03:57 PM
You sir, are quite troubled..... I advise you to be able to change your trunks by yourself before you attempt to join the adult swim.

-Eye
ownage

asher_aj_wei
12-31-2003, 07:47 PM
Has this thought ever came across your mind?
"Not everyone is you"
You may think nudity is alright to you, others don't think it is. And by what I read so far, it's seriously going off track. I seriously think this thread should be locked.
Rules are the rules. You guys are members. Members follow the rules. Feel like you wanna prove that you're right and everyone else is wrong - leave the forums.
Thanks

Eyerate
12-31-2003, 08:00 PM
Originally posted by asher_aj_wei@Dec 31 2003, 06:47 PM
Has this thought ever came across your mind?
"Not everyone is you"
You may think nudity is alright to you, others don't think it is. And by what I read so far, it's seriously going off track. I seriously think this thread should be locked.
Rules are the rules. You guys are members. Members follow the rules. Feel like you wanna prove that you're right and everyone else is wrong - leave the forums.
Thanks
Im not quite sure if by "you guys" you are referring to me, but i have done nothing but advocate that exact point. If you were referring to me i would ask that you read my posts thoroughly before commenting. If not then HI! :)

asher_aj_wei
12-31-2003, 08:08 PM
I'm not going to state who "you guys" refer to in case this starts another "but wait! no no no!..." and stuff like that. It's a general term. I'm just saying... in polite and gentlemanly terms:

"Shut up and get on with life already"

Now this thread should really die out

omicron_15
12-31-2003, 09:39 PM
Go post your stuff on deviantart they allow mature stuff, quit makeing such a huge thing over this.

demonplight
12-31-2003, 10:38 PM
lib·er·al (l b r- l, l b r l)
adj.
1.
a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
c. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
d. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.
2.
a. Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.
b. Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes.
3. Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation.
4. Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a liberal education.
5.
a. Archaic. Permissible or appropriate for a person of free birth; befitting a lady or gentleman.
b. Obsolete. Morally unrestrained; licentious.
con·ser·va·tive (k n-sûr v -t v)
adj.
1. Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
2. Traditional or restrained in style: a conservative dark suit.
3. Moderate; cautious: a conservative estimate.
4.
a. Of or relating to the political philosophy of conservatism.
b. Belonging to a conservative party, group, or movement.
5. Conservative Of or belonging to the Conservative Party in the United Kingdom or the Progressive Conservative Party in Canada.
6. Conservative Of or adhering to Conservative Judaism.
7. Tending to conserve; preservative: the conservative use of natural resources.
mod·er·ate (m d r- t)
adj.
1. Being within reasonable limits; not excessive or extreme: a moderate price.
2. Not violent or subject to extremes; mild or calm; temperate: a moderate climate.
3.
a. Of medium or average quantity or extent.
b. Of limited or average quality; mediocre.
4. Opposed to radical or extreme views or measures, especially in politics or religion.
n.
One who holds or champions moderate views or opinions, especially in politics or religion.

v. mod·er·at·ed, mod·er·at·ing, mod·er·ates (m d -r t )
v. tr.
1. To lessen the violence, severity, or extremeness of.
2. To preside over: She was chosen to moderate the convention.
Yes consertives do hold back social development, and it is the lyberials that advance it. the consertives protect, and conserve what the last generations of lyberials have fought to produce, and it is the moderates who just fallow, and practice
Was I right lets see yep, Hum…. Lets keep on looking shall we…
cru·sade (kr -s d )
n.
1. often Crusade Any of the military expeditions undertaken by European Christians in the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries to recover the Holy Land from the Muslims.
2. A holy war undertaken with papal sanction.
3. A vigorous concerted movement for a cause or against an abuse. See Synonyms at campaign.
crusades were not wars waged in the name of god nor is that word defined as holy war. The crusades were wars waged for control of the holy land. No one was fighting in the name of god.
Well you where part right at least
My only religious goal is to restore the Christianity to the way Jesus Christ had attended. I do this by making people aware of the facts, and letting them find the truth in their own way. I do not push it down their throat..
Sure I tell people about it, but only those who are willing to listen, like the wonderful people who have read this thread. I didn’t even have to push for political reform, march, or have a law passed. Nor did I have to seek a loop hole in a law to force my will upon people.
Your kind of thinking is not liberal. Its radical. Your anti-conformity yet pro-harmony?
I do as my constitutional rights allow me, I live my life as I wish, as long as it does not impede upon others right to live as they wish. I don’t violate others rights. I simply push mine the breaking point.
. And PROOFREAD. Your spelling just shows us that you really dont know what your talking about
Well sorry, but I don’t want to, and English is a living language, it changes all the time, may be I’m just ahead of the times.
There is not one philosopher that was "liberal".
P.S. Spelling is not my strong point, history, science, math, and philosophy are.
think out side the box, in side of it is full and cluttered, out side is all the room you need to sit down and think in tranquility and think.
I live my life by a philosophy, and it happens to be a liberal conservative, progressive, traditional one.
It goes by the definition
phi·los·o·pher (f -l s -f r)
n.
1. A student of or specialist in philosophy.
2. A person who lives and thinks according to a particular philosophy.
3. A person who is calm and rational under any circumstances.
It is also historical fact that Christ was a living breathing man, the question is was he the son of God. He was crucified. That is fact. Look it up I dare you.
hitler would be simply a liberal
the Nazi party was a liberal progressive party. Hitler just screwed it up. They were like the la grange party. But Hitler corrupted them. He turned the attention of a desperate people from a social, and economical problem, and pointed it at scapegoats( the Jews, the Gypsies, homosexuals, ect..)
http://www.glbtq.com/arts/mapplethorpe_r.html
there is already a president for this, and it favors me. Nudity, sexualit is art, that address above is to a site that will briefly address Mapplethorpe's show The Perfect Moment.
Now when I make a post I try to be a little more objective, ramble a little less, and I don’t try to burn people. But all I have seen in response to my many post of facts, no lies, nothing miss leading, is a select few attacking me. I see it as, if I may barrow a quote, “small words, from small minds, trying to attack what they can not under stand” Pook chan was even kind enough to provide a good definition to what hentai is. For the most part the rest of you just attack me, not my words. Which with stood all you scrutiny. I have given facts, you only mock. And when you do you can only point out on weakness correctly my spelling errors. I never claimed to be a spelling be champion. What I have said still stands, society has proven me correct.
And If you wish to site that I said that society sees the human body as perverted, and I just said that the courts of our land said it was art go ahead. I don’t care.
Also I not so bold as to not admit when I’m in the wrong, or try to apologize. You can see on this thread where I have apologized, and made corrections many times, so that I would not be offensive. But you come out swing like I’m attacking you. Well I’m not, but I would say this you too need to back to school, get your facts right, be able to present them in a definitive fashion. That will help you in life, this you will learn.
I would also like to add, at any time in my posts if I have OFFENDED ANY ONE, I am SORRY, My OBSERVATIONS are based apon MY OWN EXPERENCES. I do not claim to know all Christians, nor do I wish to group the people as a whole. If at any time I may have offended any one I am sorry.

MistressPookyChan
12-31-2003, 10:44 PM
I kept this thread open because it's an interesting debate, and one that pertains to this forum and the rest of the art community. That is why I kept it, and will continue to keep it, open (for now).

couple points I'll add as the mod:
1) until i get a permission note from every single minor (under 18) member's parents, plus the permission of the administration of AG.com, there will be no hentai/sexually explicit wallpapers on this forum. There is no arguing that.

2) personal attacks will still not be tollerated. I will start giving out warnings, which will limit your abilities at this forum, if it continues. Keep the debate intellectual; it's much better that way, anyway.

And demon, don't get so defensive!

Eyerate
01-01-2004, 01:53 AM
That was the largest most unnecessary posting of definitions i have ever seen. Im way to tired to attempt to piece together any rational non-conflicting ideas from that basin of ignorance. Ill try to decipher your ramblings tomorrow.

-Eye

ownerizer
01-01-2004, 02:42 AM
Demonplight, you need to shut the hell up. You're fighting a battle alone. It's not even a battle, you're not even fighting anyone! Tell me how the crusades, Hitler, dictionary definitons, AND hentai all relate together AND relate to Animewallpapers.com? You're just rambling on and on about some pointless crap that no one cares about and just causing a commotion. So just shut up now, you're causing me stress.

Gestahr
01-01-2004, 05:09 AM
You people and your typing. :i

Eyerate
01-01-2004, 12:17 PM
Ok i changed my mind. You said the nazi party was liberal. Thats just.... wow. That kind of ignorance makes me want to quit the internet. Im not replying to this thread unless some intelligent posts are made.

-Eye

demonplight
01-01-2004, 06:02 PM
How does Hitler, and the Nazi party fit into this, well ask Eve, she brought it up. I only corrected her.
And sorry Eve, I had to post those definitions to correct you errors, and the Nazi party was a liberal party, which is historical fact, it existed before Hitler came to be in charge of it. It was a progressive party to restore Germany’s economy. It was for the rights of the common man. They wanted economic reform, and political reform. But Hitler used them to gain power. He used the Jews and other minorities that where already hated as scapegoats.
And I have to defensive, I’m proving a point and thus far no one has been able to come up with a good argument to the contrary. I’m only correcting one disgruntled user who has only sought out to insult me, with out making a good argument. She so easily points out my faults while she can’t even capitalize a name.
The question here is what is art, where is the line drawn between art, and pornography? Who draws the line?
To put it bluntly in my opinion art is any thing that expresses an idea, emotion, and vision. And pornography is any thing that causes arousal of the reproductive organs. So to me the line can blur.
Art can be violent, and sexually orientated, that’s why art should be limited to the people who can understand what the work is trying to put forward. But it should not be limited on the bases of age.
But just because I dont agree with the work, does not mean that I think that it should be hidden from the publics eye.
I would also like to add, before we go and insolt people lets try to get our vocabulary together, its rather anoying to have to get off of subject to correct some one over and over again. Also before you tell some one to shut up it might be good policy to go back threw the post and look, and see who got who off of subject.
So lets try to keep on subject.
And the subject is what is art, who draws the lines?
Please only Intelligent post this is a debate not a roast.

jumomo
01-01-2004, 06:39 PM
wow :blink: ... you getting a bit too much serious about this ... just dont post hentai stuff ... i got no problem with that ... but if hosting people say they dont want ... argue with them ...

Eyerate
01-01-2004, 06:45 PM
Ok so i lied. Im going to post again before anything else intelligent is posted. I am a male. Its EYE not eve. Your definitions supported my statements and utterly dismantled yours. I do believe you forgot to post the definition of nazi. And with that i take my leave.

Oh yea, check out my site that i just started http://eyerate.warcraftevolution.com

-Eye

demonplight
01-01-2004, 06:53 PM
Breif history of the Nazi party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party)I'm sorry I thought it said Eve. But I do like the site thus far.

jumomo
01-01-2004, 07:19 PM
could you stop that nazi crap ? thank you ...

ownerizer
01-01-2004, 07:29 PM
Originally posted by jumomo@Jan 1 2004, 06:19 PM
could you stop that nazi crap ? thank you ...
C'mon guys, now you're offending the German. You'd better just shut up.

Eyerate
01-01-2004, 10:09 PM
Originally posted by ownerizer+Jan 1 2004, 06:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ownerizer @ Jan 1 2004, 06:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-jumomo@Jan 1 2004, 06:19 PM
could you stop that nazi crap ? thank you ...
C&#39;mon guys, now you&#39;re offending the German. You&#39;d better just shut up. [/b][/quote]
Germans RoXoR my BoXoRz

asher_aj_wei
01-02-2004, 01:06 AM
...
This thread is definitely messed up =&#092;

MistressPookyChan
01-02-2004, 01:47 AM
i agree. this thread took a nose dive. let this be a lesson for the next time ya&#39;ll want to have a debate. hopefully it will go better next time.