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[King_Shadow89]

I figured this would go in the dbz thread because it had to do with dbz.


Broly

at birth: 10,000
normal: 500
SS: 10,000
Legendary SS: 2,000,000,000
at death: 5,000,000,000
Bio-Broly: 2,000,000,000
Goku
at birth: 2
DB: 1,000
Saiyan: 27,000
Namek: 1,500,000
SS1: 3,000,000
Cell: 40,700,000
SS2: 220,000,000
SS3: 370,000,000
Buu: 400,000,000
GT: 1,000,000,000
SS4: 12,000,000,000



Majin Buu
fat: 820,000,000
evil: 850,000,000
Super: 1,400,000,000
Piccolo form: 1,640,000,000
Gotenks form: 1,900,000,000
Mystic form: 2,100,000,000
Kid: 2,500,000,500


Vegeta
Saiyan: 30,000
Namek: 52,500
SS1: 1,000,000
Cell: 1,500,000
SS2: 2,000,000
Majin: 3,000,000
Buu: 5,000,000
GT: 10,000,000
Baby: 200,000,000
SS4: 12,000,000,000
These are just a few people that I like status. What do you think?

[Ichiro Matsuchani]

Didn't they stop the whole "Power Level" thing at the end of the Freiza saga?

[King_Shadow89]

Yes they did but their was a major demand in knowing the power levels after the freiza saga. So the creators and othr people started to give power levels out. I done alot of research before I posted this stuff to make sure that it was accrate.

[Gohanisthestrongest]

Yes they did but their was a major demand in knowing the power levels after the freiza saga. So the creators and othr people started to give power levels out. I done alot of research before I posted this stuff to make sure that it was accrate.

The creator of DBZ, Toriyama, never gave out PL's after the Frieza Saga.

Any PL's given out after the Frieza Saga are all made up.

[Sagat]

Show me exactly where the creators gave out battle powers, because frankly, I think you're full of it.

Battle powers went out along with Scouters in the end of the Freeza saga after they were no longer needed. Not to mention that at best guess, Goku in SSJ1 had a battle power of 3 500 000. This is considering that it appears that Freeza's power level jumps by 500 000 (roughly) with each transformation. That would place him at 100% perfect power at 3 000 000 with Goku being a bit stronger.

So using even that sketchy rationalization as the only indication is Freeza claiming his battle power is a bit over one million in his second form, please explain (on top of showing me precisely where Akira Toriyama divulged these battle power figures) how in the hell you think that the battle powers can simply sky rocket from roughly 3 million up to 40 million?

And to add insult to injury your battle powers make absolutely no sense. Vegeta SSJ only has a BP of one million? So Freeza second form is stronger huh? Your figures for Vegeta in general are completely out of whack considering his fighting power in the Saiyan saga was around a constant 18 000, it was only when he used his Gallic Gun attack did it up to something between 20 and 23 000. Unless you are saying that at the time, he could defeat Dodoria and Zarbon (hint: he could not).

I can't even go on, this is too retarded. Next you'll be posting figures about SSJ8 Gogeta from Dragonball AF where he has a power level of 70 trillion or something ludicrous.

[Gohanisthestrongest]

Battle powers went out along with Scouters in the end of the Freeza saga after they were no longer needed. Not to mention that at best guess, Goku in SSJ1 had a battle power of 3 500 000. This is considering that it appears that Freeza's power level jumps by 500 000 (roughly) with each transformation. That would place him at 100% perfect power at 3 000 000 with Goku being a bit stronger.

So using even that sketchy rationalization as the only indication is Freeza claiming his battle power is a bit over one million in his second form, please explain (on top of showing me precisely where Akira Toriyama divulged these battle power figures) how in the hell you think that the battle powers can simply sky rocket from roughly 3 million up to 40 million?

Frieza's PL at full power was 12,000,000. Goku's PL as a SSJ was 15,000,000.

[Sagat]

And you can prove this?

[Gohanisthestrongest]

And you can prove this?

Depends on what you consider proof. I have Toriyama's PL's right here where I live, but I don't have the technology to scan it and send you a picture of it. But I do know of a site that uses Toriyama's PL's (of course only up to the Frieza Saga, since that's when he stopped giving out official PL's). It's also slightly off on some, but it's usually small like for Raditz instead of 1,200, he has it as 1,220, but almost all of it, including Frieza's and Goku's PL's, is accurate.

[Hideki Motosuwa.]

Didn't they stop the whole "Power Level" thing at the end of the Freiza saga?
That's what I've read on Wikipedia, but hey, wiki isn't 100% relevant all the time, so I don't know what to believe anymore.

[Sagat]

Depends on what you consider proof. I have Toriyama's PL's right here where I live, but I don't have the technology to scan it and send you a picture of it. But I do know of a site that uses Toriyama's PL's (of course only up to the Frieza Saga, since that's when he stopped giving out official PL's). It's also slightly off on some, but it's usually small like for Raditz instead of 1,200, he has it as 1,220, but almost all of it, including Frieza's and Goku's PL's, is accurate.

Toriyamas PL?

[Gohanisthestrongest]

Toriyamas PL?

Toriyama is the creator of DBZ, as you may already know. He has only a few PL's mentioned in the Manga, but he also released an entire PL list up to the Frieza Saga, because people were highly confused based on just the ones in the Manga.

He has them listed in a rare (The Owner of a shop that sold lots of DBZ stuff, gave me his only copy of it because I was one of his best customers and he was closing down) "The Best Of The Anime World: Dragonball Z" magazine. He also has a Q & A session in there, but those are the only two features in the magazine in which he was involved with.

But, I don't have a scanner or anything to scan it to show you that I really do have it. However, I do know of a site that lists most of the PL's that are exactly the same as the ones Toriyama listed.

[Rowloman]

Are you sure this is true? Sorry not to sound rude, but I heard somewhere that the manga featured powerlvls all the way through (GT didn't cause it wasn't toriyama) I also heard that each super Saiya-jin added another fifty times to the powerlvl and that LSS was inbetween 2 and 3. (kaioken 2x, Kaiokenx4 is 4x Oozaru 10x SSJ1 is 50x, SSj2 100x LSS 125x SSj3 150x ssj4 would be 200 times and gold oozaru was 175x but lacked control. Don't quote me on this though im not sure just checkin

[Gohanisthestrongest]

Are you sure this is true? Sorry not to sound rude, but I heard somewhere that the manga featured powerlvls all the way through (GT didn't cause it wasn't toriyama) I also heard that each super Saiya-jin added another fifty times to the powerlvl and that LSS was inbetween 2 and 3. (kaioken 2x, Kaiokenx4 is 4x Oozaru 10x SSJ1 is 50x, SSj2 100x LSS 125x SSj3 150x ssj4 would be 200 times and gold oozaru was 175x but lacked control. Don't quote me on this though im not sure just checkin

Each SSJ level being 50 times stronger than the one before is correct, as is LSSJ (Broly) being between SSJ2 and SSJ3.

But everything else is wrong.

[Flah Blah]

DB: 1,000

It's not over 9000?!

[Lelouch of the rebellion]

Each SSJ level being 50 times stronger than the one before is correct, as is LSSJ (Broly) being between SSJ2 and SSJ3.

But everything else is wrong.

What else is there? You mean the oozarus? or the powerlevels continuing in the manga?

[Gohanisthestrongest]

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What else is there? You mean the oozarus? or the powerlevels continuing in the manga?

Both.

[King_Shadow89]

If you are a big dbz fan you will know that the power reading thing didn't stop at the freiza saga at all. it contenuied even through the cell games... waite I got an example dbz movie 6 return of cooler. rewatch that and you'll see.

[Gohanisthestrongest]

If you are a big dbz fan you will know that the power reading thing didn't stop at the freiza saga at all. it contenuied even through the cell games... waite I got an example dbz movie 6 return of cooler. rewatch that and you'll see.

If you are a big DBZ fan, you will know that Movies are non-canon. Big time DBZ fans also know that official PL's were NOT given after the Frieza Saga, which is something Toriyama himself has said. And BTW, since you aren't a big time DBZ fan, I should let you know that Toriyama is the creator of DB and DBZ.

[King_Shadow89]

I just figured I was a big fan because I have seen every episode and movie. But okay what ever you said.

[Gohanisthestrongest]

I just figured I was a big fan because I have seen every episode and movie. But okay what ever you said.

Try seeing all of them many many many times, and reading all of the Manga many many many times.

[Broly3k8]

Lol...I have seen the DBZ and DB sagas many times over and over and voer and over again but i would never claim to be a "big fan" only because i have major bais towards broly...Im actually returning to the tattoo parlor this week to see how the lady is doing on the pic... Want to get it done before i get to iraq. But i do enjoy the series very much and i will say i am very knowledgeable on Broly!

Forgive me they didnt teach us to spell when i joined the army.

[sensei-zeb]

I figured this would go in the dbz thread because it had to do with dbz.


Broly

at birth: 10,000
normal: 500
SS: 10,000
Legendary SS: 2,000,000,000
at death: 5,000,000,000
Bio-Broly: 2,000,000,000
Goku
at birth: 2
DB: 1,000
Saiyan: 27,000
Namek: 1,500,000
SS1: 3,000,000
Cell: 40,700,000
SS2: 220,000,000
SS3: 370,000,000
Buu: 400,000,000
GT: 1,000,000,000
SS4: 12,000,000,000



Majin Buu
fat: 820,000,000
evil: 850,000,000
Super: 1,400,000,000
Piccolo form: 1,640,000,000
Gotenks form: 1,900,000,000
Mystic form: 2,100,000,000
Kid: 2,500,000,500


Vegeta
Saiyan: 30,000
Namek: 52,500
SS1: 1,000,000
Cell: 1,500,000
SS2: 2,000,000
Majin: 3,000,000
Buu: 5,000,000
GT: 10,000,000
Baby: 200,000,000
SS4: 12,000,000,000
These are just a few people that I like status. What do you think?

where did you get the stats

[Gohanisthestrongest]

where did you get the stats

It doesn't matter where he got them, because they are horribly wrong. He states that Vegeta's PL is 12,000,000 in GT. For one, there were no official PL's after the Frieza Saga. Two, GT is non-canon. Three, even if there were official PL's after the Frieza Saga (which there aren't), Vegeta's PL would be several times higher than 12,000,000, seeing as Frieza's official PL at 100% power was 12,000,000 in the Frieza Saga.

[TheAsterisk!]

Oh, boy...ok, here I go.
The only power levels given are given by characters in the manga anime, so they have to be able to use a scouter to nail down the exact number...right? Since scouters start blowing up around the Vegeta v. Goku fight and the middle of the debacle on Namek, there's no way to be sure of any power levels from then on. The only reason we even have to think Frieza's PL exceeds one million is his own claim...I wouldn't trust him explicitly. He is a lunatic galactic tyrant, after all, and is capable of lying.
The only way to guage powers later on is in relative terms; no hard numbers can be used with any certainty. These were likely typed up by a fan site for the purpose of entertaining "who would win" arguments.
As for the movies, those are made by TOEI animation with very little apparent regard for continuity; most everyone has rejected them as canon ( and some would say the same of GT). Broly actually turned the idea of the legendary super saiyan into a cheap enemy where the LSS was intended to be the one that would avenge teh saiyan race. GOKU is the LSS.
There are NO official PLs beyond Namek. The only other time anyone can nail down a number is when the androids show up (#16 seems to have a built-in scouter of sorts), but no PLs are ever actually stated.

[Gohanisthestrongest]

Oh, boy...ok, here I go.
The only power levels given are given by characters in the manga anime, so they have to be able to use a scouter to nail down the exact number...right? Since scouters start blowing up around the Vegeta v. Goku fight and the middle of the debacle on Namek, there's no way to be sure of any power levels from then on. The only reason we even have to think Frieza's PL exceeds one million is his own claim...I wouldn't trust him explicitly. He is a lunatic galactic tyrant, after all, and is capable of lying.
The only way to guage powers later on is in relative terms; no hard numbers can be used with any certainty. These were likely typed up by a fan site for the purpose of entertaining "who would win" arguments.
As for the movies, those are made by TOEI animation with very little apparent regard for continuity; most everyone has rejected them as canon ( and some would say the same of GT). Broly actually turned the idea of the legendary super saiyan into a cheap enemy where the LSS was intended to be the one that would avenge teh saiyan race. GOKU is the LSS.
There are NO official PLs beyond Namek. The only other time anyone can nail down a number is when the androids show up (#16 seems to have a built-in scouter of sorts), but no PLs are ever actually stated.

Toriyama has a list of approved PL's through the Frieza Saga, and as you said there are no official PL's after the Frieza Saga.

To say Frieza is lying is just silly.

Plus, with the list, it's already proven that his max PL is 12,000,000.

[The Monarch]

Why is everyone acting all competitive? It's just power levels.. Jeez.

No one really pays attention to them.

[TheAsterisk!]

Toriyama has a list of approved PL's through the Frieza Saga, and as you said there are no official PL's after the Frieza Saga.

To say Frieza is lying is just silly.

Plus, with the list, it's already proven that his max PL is 12,000,000.
1 - Correct.
2 - I didn't say Frieza was lying, I just think the possibility should be considered. Characters are not infallible and honest all the time, as some fans seem to think. The percieved error about the time chamber/room of spirit and time comes to mind. When Goku tells Vegeta only two people can go inside, he's clearly lying to help Trunks get nearer to Vegeta. Go review the anime/manga if you have doubts. I was just speculating.
3 - Where exactly did this list come from? Could you give publisher's information or some sort of direct reference/link to it, please? It would help to diminish my scepticism.

[blackrosetwilight]

thats whole lot of numbers!!!!!

[King_Shadow89]

It doesn't matter where he got them, because they are horribly wrong. He states that Vegeta's PL is 12,000,000 in GT. For one, there were no official PL's after the Frieza Saga. Two, GT is non-canon. Three, even if there were official PL's after the Frieza Saga (which there aren't), Vegeta's PL would be several times higher than 12,000,000, seeing as Frieza's official PL at 100% power was 12,000,000 in the Frieza Saga.
you should reread what you put. your right on everthing except for this I stated ssj4 Vegeta's pl 12,000,000,000 not 12,000,000.

[Gohanisthestrongest]

3 - Where exactly did this list come from? Could you give publisher's information or some sort of direct reference/link to it, please? It would help to diminish my scepticism.

The list I have is in a magazine, and I don't have a scanner. They resemble the Daizenshuu scans, so if you look at that list, most of them will be right.

you should reread what you put. your right on everthing except for this I stated ssj4 Vegeta's pl 12,000,000,000 not 12,000,000.

You edited your post after I read the PL's on your list. If you go back and look at the dates, you'll see that my first post on this thread was the same day in which you edited it.

[King_Shadow89]

I have a question I was watching the buu saga again and suprem kia sayed that buu's power lever was 1000 times stronget than frieza then ....what?

[SpongeCake]

Yes they did but their was a major demand in knowing the power levels after the freiza saga. So the creators and othr people started to give power levels out. I done alot of research before I posted this stuff to make sure that it was accrate.

Those power levels are the stupidest and completly wrong thing I've ever seen.

One way to prove this? Super Buu is stronger than Kid Buu yet you have Kid Buu's power WAAAAY higher. Ontop of that, Mystic Gohan was a lot stronger than Ssj3 Goku (and there are youtube videos comparing the 2 to prove it PLUS if you've read the mangas Goku even states Mystic Gohan is stronger).

Your power levels are BS and wrong. Also, there has never been and will probably NEVER be a 100% true list of every characters power level from each and every saga and I don't care what you say about some gay magazine you DONT have.