relation.....

[bya~chan]

does anyone know if any of the gundam shows are connected to eachother in anyway??

[B Gundam]

Within timelines they are, two different timelines however aren't.


For example:

Universal Century (UC):

Mobile Suit Gundam (UC 0079)
8th MS Team (UC 0079): Same universe and even runs parallel to MSG, but in a different location.
War in the Pocket (UC 0080)
Zeta Gundam (UC 0087): The hero + villain from Mobile Suit Gundam reappear in here.

After Colony:

Gundam W
Gundam W: Endless Waltz (Happens after W with same protagonists)
Gundam W: G-Unit (Happens during the other series, in a different location)

The UC stories however, have no relation to the AC ones. The Universal Century is the true/main/original storyline and is also the largest timeline, the other ones are summed as "AU" (Alternate Universes) which mostly live by hype and get dropped after a while (G, Wing, SEED, etc.). Due to being broadcasted abroad from Japan more, AU Universes are often better known, while within the Gunota expertise scene and among people who care to take a good look the UC still holds its reputation as the best Era.

[CapnJack]

Well its not completely related to the shows but they still exist in the same timelines.

Gundam F91 (0123 UC) [movie]
V Gundam (0153 UC)
G- Saviour (0223 UC) [live action, american actors but released in Japan first series]

Those series really dont have anything to do with the Fed/Zeong war, but it did exist during their timeline. Just quite a ways into the future.

Then lets not forget of course Turn-A Gundam (2345 UC?)which took place 2000 years later when a Gundam and the Zakus were unearthed after being buried for a couple of millenium.

I even heard some skepticism that all the Gundam stories are related in some way. Even G-Gundam. o.O

[bya~chan]

O_o...wow thanks a lot..uh.. the only gundam shows i've
seen were the AU universes...according to B Gundam..and
i think i've MSG too..
oh and does Outlaw Star fit into any of this?? --

[B Gundam]

Turn A was CC (Correct Century) and counts towards AU, it has many references to the original because the mathematic meaning of the upside down A means "all" (so in "for all gundams"), Tomino just pulled a fun-design as main unit but cared pretty well for the plot.

For the rest, CapnJack is right with one limitation: Side stories are divided into Canon and non-canon. Whereas Anime-series and main stories (F-91, Victory Gundam) generally count as canon (true), man stories were made considered non-canon (not true) although they belong into a certain universe. G-Saviour is often considered non-canon, partially due to its terrible storyline.

Example of Non-Canon:

UC:
"Gaia Gear" was supposed to be what happened after The Amuro/Char saga past CCA, where Gundams got replaced by Gaia Gears and Char got cloned. However, the idea was dropped and Gundam series happening afterwards do not take the happenings of Gaia Gear into consideration or totally contradict them. Officially, neither did Afranshia Char (Char's clone) ever exist within the UC, nor were any Gaia Gears built.

AU:
There are 3 mangas of Gundam W depicting the happenings between the Gundam W series and the EW movie. However, either due to the typically weak plot among AC or reasons unknown, all 3 sidestories contradict eachother respectively in some way. Either one or none of them are true, they are just possible outcomes under certain conditions.

However, the way AUs are related to UC (like Turn A) is purely trivial and also count as non-existant. All hints are purely Easter Eggs:

-In SEED, Coordinators are to bring upon the evolution of mankind, whereas the Newtypes of the UC *are* the evolution of mankind, so in this logic, SEED happened even before MSG, which would be pure nonsense as the 1st Gundam would be created after Strike Freedom.

-In Gundam X, Newtypes also exist. However, the first Newtype is D.O.M.E. and the background story about newtypes is completely different from the UC. According to logic, D.O.M.E. being the 1st Newtype would mean X happens before MSG, which is also nonsene if you consider the technology of the Sattelite cannon and G-Bits being around before the 1st gundam was built.

-In Gundam W, people fought a war to bring uh... peace <_<. Anyways, in G Gundam, people stopped the war and made up the Gundam Fight International, a result of what happened in W? Also, in the final episode the Earth forces included a W Gundam, a Zeta Gundam, 2 Anaheim GP Units and the original Gundam as cameos. G Gundam doesn't have a single Newtype, nor anyone with powers similiar to that of one.

-There's an easter egg depicting Gundanium (the stuff Gundam W units are made of) of Gundam W as a version of Gundarium (the stuff UC gundams are usually made of), logic dictates W would happen after the UC, however, the AC neither has Minovsky dispersion nor Newtypes. In addition, The Gundams, their weaponry and technology downgrade heavily when compared to Victory Gundam units or even F91 units, which makes no sense when being a post-UC timeline.

However, I've found a way to make all the series into 1 timeline so that it makes sense. If you wanna know then don't blame me for being ridiculous with the theory XD

[CapnJack]

Wow, that almost made my head hurt. ^^;

I wasnt really going to go too indepth with everything (mainly because all that goes way over my head) but I was just adding on a few more series that basically DID fall under the UC timeline. The only reason I include Turn-A with the UC timeline is because it was the only other series that had Zakus in it. I got the info from Animericas "Gundam: Official Guide" which covers all the series before SEED was made.

[B Gundam]

You mean Borjarnons (look like Zakus, act like Zakus, have the same serial as Zakus). Thats more of a running gag. The only other series with Zakus is SEED Destiny.

[CapnJack]

...The only other series with Zakus is SEED Destiny.

Really? I had no idea they were in SEED Destiny. I wasnt that interested in the SEED series, but now its gotten a little more respect and my interest. ^^

[B Gundam]

Actually SEED Destiny just threw in/ripped off stuff from the original, hyped them and expected it to work out.

The awesome combat scenes have choreography stolen from 0079 Amuro. Aside fo Zakus (that supposedly upgrade from GINNs, though it doesn't really look that way) They also put in Goufs and Doms and made Heine say the line "This is no Zaku! No zaku!" and the Doms had a "Jet Stream Attack". The "borrowed" MS also participate in half to two second posing for every action they take. Unless you are inclined of liking everything thats a Zaku or SEED is your type of thing, go ahead, otherwise you'll prolly just be disappointed.

Zaku Warriors:
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/4829/zgmf1000kl1.jpg http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/7127/zgmf1000lacustc2.jpg

Zaku Phantom:
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/5356/zgmf1001reymv0.jpg

UC Zaku in comparison:
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/2963/ms06jclv4.jpg

[CapnJack]

You got a good point. The whole Gouf/Zaku/Dom design does seem a bit ripped and stolen. Most likely just an attempt to regain the audience that admired the Original MS Gundam line, like me. But, for what it is, its not too bad of a mobile suit design.

[manslayer101]

-In SEED, Coordinators are to bring upon the evolution of mankind, whereas the Newtypes of the UC *are* the evolution of mankind, so in this logic, SEED happened even before MSG, which would be pure nonsense as the 1st Gundam would be created after Strike Freedom.

actually the coordinators could've been after 0079, because of the fact that they are manufactured, they would be more along the lines of cyber newtypes in zeta, so although they are not connected, SEED could've been after 0079 and also possibly after Zeta, maybe, but then again you could say that seed was "during" zeta, but that would've mixed 2 completely different battles together, however, saying that Seed could've happened in between chars counter attack and V gundam would be relevent, because there is alot of time there, so it's entirely possible that Coordinators are a "tune-up" of cyber newtypes, which seemingly died out between zeta and chars counterattack, and if that is true, then it's possible that coordinators in that time could be considered "the future"

of course this is going waaay out of the real storyline of gundam, but based on the timelines, and facts (fantasy facts of course), it could be true

[B Gundam]

That won't work either, because if mankind already evolved, Hibiki would have no reason to evolve mankind anymore. And of course, SEED not having Minovsky dispersion and the galaxy maps/historic events of both timelines would contradict eachother that way. Oh and Cyber NTs didn't disappear.