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╬Karami Mew~Meow
06-25-2007, 11:30 AM
Who in the anime world could beat Goku? *hehe* Give me characters, and I'll answer it, ...after you all get to answer. :banana:
post, post, post... ^_^

Gouki
06-25-2007, 02:22 PM
Who else but his own son Gohan
Goku even said in the anime Gohan could beat him.

Riku3008
06-25-2007, 02:31 PM
That's a though one considering how strong Goku is...

You think Inuyasha could beat him?

I'm stumped here lol.

╬Karami Mew~Meow
06-25-2007, 05:24 PM
That's a though one considering how strong Goku is...

You think Inuyasha could beat him?

I'm stumped here lol.

I'll wait for others to reply to this thread.

If you think that character could beat him, put your reason, and SUPPORT your answer. If you disagree with someone, tell them why he/she can't beat son goku. :D

Hollow Ichigo
06-25-2007, 07:53 PM
Id say Sesshoumaru,ichigo,byakuya,Yamamoto,or Ginji from get backers.

╬Karami Mew~Meow
06-26-2007, 07:50 AM
Don't forget to SUPPORT your answer! ^_^

Click here
06-26-2007, 11:23 AM
no-one can goku is the most powerful :)

Tetsanosuke
06-26-2007, 05:40 PM
Considering SSJ 4 is on his list of tricks, I doubt any one can beat him. Unless they could kill him without having to truly fight him.

Or if it was the Goku from earlier on in the series, then sure others could beat him. Like When he was fighting Raditz, I'm sure Ichigo from Bleach LATER ON IN THE SERIES could beat him. But at full strength, Goku need only hit SS4, and well we know the rest.

Just throwing that out there, I don't know every anime character out there so my opinion might not be backed so well, but from what I do know Goku at full power would be nigh unbeatable.

bttr
06-26-2007, 05:47 PM
The crazy frog can with his singing
.No one say Naruto and the nine tail fox¬_¬!II Goku at SSJ4 can easliy beat him.

Gouki
06-26-2007, 06:57 PM
SS4 Vegita/Baby could also beat goku

Sagat
06-26-2007, 07:18 PM
Yeah uh .. nobody from Bleach, even Aizen, could beat SSJ3 Gokuu... maybe one of the Triclops from 3x3 Eyes, but probably someone from the DBZ world itself.

Riku3008
06-26-2007, 08:00 PM
Wait, this depends, is it regular or SS3 Goku.. cuase then, lots of people couldn't beat him....

Hollow Ichigo
06-26-2007, 08:22 PM
Yeah thats not fair. Random acts of unstoppable power. Ok They have to get to a higher level to beat someone. They do. Then someone comes along and is even stronger. new level of power. Its a repeating motion. But yeah Alcurd from Hellsing could beat him. Also Chorno from Chorno crusade. Well i dont know about that but also Superman,and ban from get backers or even Eva Unit 1 it is a god i think.

Click here
06-26-2007, 10:38 PM
Are you guys joking? no-one can beat goku when he transform into a monkey :p

Climaximus
06-27-2007, 01:47 AM
Goku would have died a million times over in the series if it weren't for his cheap tricks (having the rest of the Z Warriors give him their remaining energy) -.- haxx
Not only that, but most of the fights aren't even 1-on-1 battles, they're like 5 Z fighters (including Goku) against ONE major villain...and they BARELY manage to beat them. Radditz coulda killed him if Piccolo wasn't there to help, Vegeta coulda killed him if that fat guy with the sword (forgot his name) wasn't there to cut off his tail, Frieza woulda killed him if Krillin wasn't there to get blown to bits and trigger Goku's Super Saiyan transformation, Android 19 woulda killed him if Vegeta handn't shown up and interrupted the fight and so on....for about 50 more fights >_> . So....Goku's just a cheater who for the most part can't fight someone by himself without having one of his little buddies jump in. I personally would have liked to see Cooler, Janemba, or Broly break him in half.....which again they could have done if it were a true 1-one-1 fight (though in the Broly movie, i was glad to see Piccolo there, cuz the Piccolo Punt was just awesome XD) He was alot more independent during fights in the original Dragonball series -.- So in the end almost every. single. villain he's ever fought in the Z and GT series was stronger than him at the time, and therefore coulda beaten Goku.
(as you can probably tell by now, i dont like Goku very much :P)
Broly FTW!!
-edit-
Ha! I remember the fat dude's name now, Yajirobe :p

Famahama
06-27-2007, 02:39 AM
Ai Enma!
She'd send anyone to hell. Instantly .No matter who! ^^

black26
06-27-2007, 02:47 AM
yagami light from death note!

death note never fail!
when yagami light wrote the name of goku in the death note
goku will die in instant!

Variados
07-12-2007, 03:28 PM
SS4 Vegita/Baby could also beat goku
Vegeta has beaten Goku...some how...and Gohan at one point could it beat him....Buu beat him...Baby...was an easy opponent. But...yep Vegeta could beat Goku the most because they were always at the same level, maybe Vegeta one step behind, but he was always trying to keep up. Gohan....also at one point he became the strongest of all the saiyans...so..yeah. But I vote for Vegeta beating Goku.:closedeye

shane the ninja
07-12-2007, 04:03 PM
Goku is rather easy to beat in the games but if it's the anime i'm not to sure

Sonica
07-12-2007, 04:56 PM
I think... Gohan could he just seems stronger. And plus Gohan is Goku's son so he would teach Gohan everything he learns.

Chris-san
07-13-2007, 01:26 AM
Dio Brando. Why?

ZA WARUDO HAHAHAHAHA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA!

Goku's dead.

Knightmare
07-25-2007, 08:36 PM
The only person I could think of not listed would bePegasus from yugioh. Hear me out before you attack but Pegasus could steal his soul like he did yugi's gramps. Of course if he misses,if thats possible, he's dead.

Donnie Dante
07-28-2007, 08:45 AM
If you think about it enough you could probably come up with a very long list of people that could beat or kill Goku. Black26 was sorta right about Yagami Light. I mean yeah he would could kill him but would he? I guess billions and billions of dollars in unpaid public and private property damage is a big enough criminal offense.

Yes, Goku is freaking powerful. And the way that all Dragon Ball series handled new enemies by just giving the Z warrior family power upgrades made Goku pretty much a bad@$$ all powerful golden monkey dragon dude. BUT he can be beaten and beaten badly, but not in a fair hand to hand fight. Here's a couple off the top of my head.


1. Uchiha Itachi - provided he can get him in a gen-jutzu, could probably break Goku down turning him into a mindless zombie

2. Kurotsuchi Mayuri - (Bleach 12th Div Captain) - Goku may be all powerful but can be taken down with poisons. And I think Mayuri has enough tricks up his sleeves and inside his skull to take down Goku.

3. Chi Chi - yeah... like he'd have a chance against his own wife.

4. Tatsuo Nagumo - i threw this one in, for fun. But in all honestly, i think if Goku saw those tentacles coming at him, he'd run/fly his arse out of the fight. Win by disqualification is still a win, so says Mr. Satan! (If you don't know Tatsuo Nagumo, it's probably best you don't look him up. I would hate to be responsible for exposing innocent eyes to such, although amazing, very lecherous ERO'o'rama anime.)


Note 2 cents on Superman: there is no way Superman could ever beat Goku.

BuLmA
08-09-2007, 03:22 AM
Vegeta!!!!! he's the second powerful of DBZ.

The Dom
08-09-2007, 03:30 AM
LOL. not. garra maybe tho.

Hamashimura
08-09-2007, 03:37 AM
Gaara...
Reason - Goku is stupid enough to be caught in Desert Coffin...
Rock Lee,Neji and Hinata,if they're trained to max their abilities(considering that Lee get's drunk)
And anyone who uses black magic...
Reason - too many to count...black magic is supreme comparing to Goku...

Skeith/Haseo Wave
08-09-2007, 05:01 AM
Hunger. Starve Goku and he's down for the count...

Oldmagic
08-09-2007, 07:31 PM
...you can't beat goku. The guy has the nerves of steel, and the will of a god. I would say the only way to beat goku is through magic.

Colors
08-09-2007, 07:36 PM
Yagami Light > Goku

P.S. Two words~Death Note.

And there ends my reason. D:

:happy: ♥

Tetsanosuke
08-10-2007, 01:04 AM
Yagami Light > Goku

P.S. Two words~Death Note.

And there ends my reason. D:

:happy: ♥

Well, that depend on the situation. >.>

If we say.. Goku learned of Death Note's existence and they weren't in a fight at first. Faced with each other, Goku would blast Light with a quick shot of Ki or just Instant Transmission next to him and snap him in two.

BUT! If Light was for some reason wanting to kill Goku for no reason, and Goku was no where in sight then he could 'kill' him.

The thread was asking who would 'beat' him, defeat. I'd think that Death Note wouldn't count as defeating because you don't even have to 'overcome' your foe. You just >Spat<

xD

As for who'd Be able to Beat Goku...

Terry Bogard might be a bet.. He did kill the God 'Mars' In the Fatal Fury Movie.

dollmage
08-10-2007, 01:04 PM
hmm many have posted and the only one i support that could possibly beat gouku are the FF:

Yagami light = well duh -.- he write your name on his book and your dead?

Chi chi = let's face it -.- gouku is just no much for her

Gohan = possible being a half human and half saiyan his suppose to be much more powerfull than his father, even Gouku said so in one of the early series.

Gohan and Goten = maybe a few more years outa do it ^_^

any one who could get their hands on the dragonball and a shinigamis note book lol

The one who would just look silly when facing Gouku at his full power
errr..

everyone from naruto.=errr did you even watch Dragon Ball Z? who on naruto could even destroy a whole planet in one BLow?

everyone from bleach = maybe they could beat Super Saiyan but i dont know bout SSJ3 specialy SSJ4

everyone from Inuyasha = oh wait, maybe naraku could beat him..... nahhhh his kinda like Cell >.<

Vegeta = errrrr 4got how many time he lost sorry.

Hamashimura
08-10-2007, 01:17 PM
Ok,this is one thing for sure...
This guy can beat the hell out of Goku...
Name...?Brolly (sp?)
There's no way Goku can beat him,not in one hundred million years...

-Batman-
08-10-2007, 02:02 PM
Saint of Killers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_of_Killers)

Saint of Killers weapons.
-Has two divine guns that never need to be reloaded, never jam, and never run out of ammo.
-The guns never miss their target.
-Every hit from Saints pistols, regardless of where it hits, is Lethal.

Saint of killers can't die. He's immortal. His body is indestructable.

Saint of killers has also
-Caused Hell to freeze over, with nothing but his hatred.
-Killed Satan.
-Killed God.
-Sat on God's throne, and went to sleep.

Saint also has perfect aim, and never misses. Ever.

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The Hulk

You should all know who his is.

-Can fully heal from any injury in seconds to minutes.
-Isn't really injured often.
-His stength is limitless. He keeps getting stronger and stronger the angrier he gets.
-The current Hulk doesn't revert to banner anymore when he falls asleep. He's also intelligent.
-Any weakness the Hulk has, Goku doesn't have access to.
-The Hulk doesn't get tired when fighting. On the contrary, the longer you fight him, the more screwed you are.
-Thunder Claps

Some Hulk feats.

-Supported a Mountain Range on his back (Secret Wars)
-Held a planet together with his bare hands. (Planet Hulk)
-Traversed 1000 square miles with one leap (Somewhere)

So the strength and durability of the Hulk is there.

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Superman

...C'mon, it's SUPERMAN.
He and Goku, when you think about it, are the same damn person.

God Level boyscouts who crash landed on earth as babies, both fleeing from a world about to be destroyed, practically the last of their species, and the ones Earth turns to whenever shiz hits the fan.
Yeah, Goku and Superman = Same damn thing.
They both died, they both came back.
Both are weak against magic.
Both can destroy planets should they wish.

The only thing is, they would never fight....Ever...They have no reason to.

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Vegeta

Because he's done it before.

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Squirrel Girl

She beat Doctor Doom, Thanos, Deadpool, Bi-Beast, M.O.D.O.K., Mandarin and Terrax...By herself...Without any assistance. Really, it's Canon.
She's broken. She can beat Goku.

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Broly

DBZ's Hulk. I'm pretty sure if we took off the "Goku must win" goggles, and it was One on One, Broly would just wipe the floor with him. Easily.

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Any character with Mind Hax (Like Jean Grey, for example)
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Anyone goku needed to fuse with Vegeta to beat goes here.

Edit: Oh, and I don't care if half of them aren't from anime. Point is, they could beat him!

Tetsanosuke
08-10-2007, 06:39 PM
Edit: Oh, and I don't care if half of them aren't from anime. Point is, they could beat him!

You may not care, but in that same note, that means we don't care that they could.

~Lol~

-Batman-
08-10-2007, 07:18 PM
You may not care, but in that same note, that means we don't care that they could.

~Lol~

And on that note, I found a loop hole.


Japan had a Hulk Manga back in the 70's.
And then there's also the Marvel Mangaverse. Which is a Manga, but with Marvel Characters.
So by your logic, you have to care now because they're animu. The rest of the anime people I listed count as well.
~LoL~

Victory is mine! Bwhahahaha

canta per me
08-12-2007, 12:19 AM
wow where do I start considering I think a lot of people could beat Goku

1. Kazuma or Ryuhou from Scryed
2. Itachi from Naruto
3. Ella from Shadowskill

The list could go on but basically my reasoning behind each and everyone of them is the fact that each one of them has a skill or trait that Goku hasn't come across before.

-Batman-
08-12-2007, 12:25 AM
2. Itachi from Naruto


...Itachi?

Thats like...Bambi vs Godzilla.

AHQ
08-17-2007, 12:25 AM
No one could kill goku at ssj4.Unless maybe another saiyan at that level

BuLmA
08-17-2007, 12:34 AM
No one could kill goku at ssj4.Unless maybe another saiyan at that level

Your very right because Guko is the very powerful of all the anime character I have watch...talking about that he can blow up an planet.I think Vegeta is the only one can beat Goku.

AHQ
08-17-2007, 11:16 AM
Your very right because Guko is the very powerful of all the anime character I have watch...talking about that he can blow up an planet.I think Vegeta is the only one can beat Goku.

Yup Vegeta is every Goku hater's hope.But honestly Goku has died soooo many times and even in GT he became young(as he reached ssj4).I mean its not fair.If Vegeta got all these chances and not to mention all of goku's special training(from the Kai's for example) i bet he would have become a super saiyan 6:laugh:

-Batman-
08-17-2007, 11:29 AM
No one could kill goku at ssj4.Unless maybe another saiyan at that level

Riiiigghht...Omega Shenron never happend.

AHQ
08-17-2007, 12:22 PM
Look in the end no one could ever beat the main character so no use to engage in an argument.Even if a guy whos 1kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk times stronger,goku will just die come to life for a thousand time and beat him.Or maybe some mysterious plant will eat the bad guy before he finishes Goku just in the last second:rolleyes:

-Batman-
08-18-2007, 01:36 AM
Look in the end no one could ever beat the main character so no use to engage in an argument.Even if a guy whos 1kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk times stronger,goku will just die come to life for a thousand time and beat him.Or maybe some mysterious plant will eat the bad guy before he finishes Goku just in the last second:rolleyes:

Uhm...No?

Goku doesn't always beat people, at least not by himself.
He wasn't there when Garlic Jr. came back for the second time.
He needed other peoples energy to beat Broly the first time, and wasn't even there the second and third time.
He didn't beat Cell, Gohan did.
He had Vegetas help throughout the entire super buu and kid buu fights.
He needed help to beat Vegeta.
He died while getting help to beat Raditz.

And he COULDN'T beat Omega Shenron alone. He needed Vegeta's help.

The only opponant goku truly beat by himself was that was any real threat was Freeza (The others helped, but they didn't reeaallly do anything to help...They just pissed him off more.)

So if a main character can't lose...
Okay then.
I take Superman, the main character of his comic. When he dies, he comes back just like Goku. His stength is limitless, just like goku. He flies and shoots lasers, just like goku...They're essentially the same exact person.
So who wins?
If no one can beat the main character, then who wins in a fight between two main characters who are both the strongest heroes on their respective planets?

AHQ
08-18-2007, 02:40 AM
But without Goku no one could have ever beaten any of the bad guys.Not Freeza,Cell(Goku had to fight him to reveal his techniques to Gohan as he himself said),Broly,Vegeta,Buu,Baby or anyone.Maybe just Garlick Jr but he wouldnt have survived agains Goku for long.Without him there is absolutely no chance for victory for the good guys.After all Goku delivered almost every final blow to each bad guy(or simply he's attack like in saiyan saga) and finaly every1 was alive and happy.

Maybe now you are gonna start with all the movies or the manga OR maybe you'll compare Goku's strenght with The Green Lantern this time :D

iRevo
08-18-2007, 10:20 AM
maybe you'll compare Goku's strenght with The Green Lantern this time :D
Green Lantern? Which one?

Overall the only person who can only defeat him is......THE CREATOR OF DBZ...ummmmm..Who is he?

AHQ
08-18-2007, 11:23 AM
Green Lantern? Which one?

Overall the only person who can only defeat him is......THE CREATOR OF DBZ...ummmmm..Who is he?

Gues you are right :D .And the creator is Akira Toriyama

iRevo
08-18-2007, 11:53 AM
Gues you are right :D .And the creator is Akira Toriyama
Lol..
Goku... meet the Eraser of death
http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/corbis/DGT127/EDU0054.jpg

-Batman-
08-18-2007, 01:00 PM
But without Goku no one could have ever beaten any of the bad guys.Not Freeza,Cell(Goku had to fight him to reveal his techniques to Gohan as he himself said),Broly,Vegeta,Buu,Baby or anyone.Maybe just Garlick Jr but he wouldnt have survived agains Goku for long.Without him there is absolutely no chance for victory for the good guys.After all Goku delivered almost every final blow to each bad guy(or simply he's attack like in saiyan saga) and finaly every1 was alive and happy.

What ARE you talking about? First of all, There was THREE Broly movies, Goku wasn't even there during the second two.
As for all the other enemies, with the exception of Freeza, They may not have been able to beat them without goku...But Goku couldn't beat them without help either.
And Truly, if you really think no one can beat Goku in SSJ4, what about SSJ4 Vegeta? Vegeta HAS beaten Goku before, and they are near rivals in power.


Maybe now you are gonna start with all the movies or the manga OR maybe you'll compare Goku's strenght with The Green Lantern this time :D

You know, I actually could if you'd like me to.
Plenty of people in fiction, especially comic books, have retarded powers.
Did you read the link I sent on Saint of Killers? He's essentially God.

Give Popeye the sailor some spinich and he could beat anyone in existance, this includes Superman and Goku.

Hell, Susan Storm can plausably beat him despite not having super strength. Just do what she used to do to the Hulk. Create a force field around his head or lungs, so Goku can't breath, thus causing him to pass out.

If Goku couldn't be beaten, he wouldn't die so many times. He often needs help. Hell, every time he uses the Spirit Bomb he's getting help from every living being on whatever planet he's on.

DarkMoonPrince
08-18-2007, 01:32 PM
Depending on the form Goku is in, it would be like...

Vegeta (normal) vs. Goku (normal) = Goku (winner)
Goku (ssj1) vs. Trunks (ssj - Powered up) = Trunks (without sword)
Goku (ssj3) vs Vegeta (ssj4) = Vegeta (winner)
Yusuke Urameshi (Ancient form) vs. Goku (Normal or ssj1) = Yusuke (winner)

There are many people who could beat goku, Just depending on how powerful they are and their levels.

Tetsanosuke
08-18-2007, 06:52 PM
And on that note, I found a loop hole.

Japan had a Hulk Manga back in the 70's.
And then there's also the Marvel Mangaverse. Which is a Manga, but with Marvel Characters.
So by your logic, you have to care now because they're animu. The rest of the anime people I listed count as well.
~LoL~

Victory is mine! Bwhahahaha

But you see, even if Hulk had a Japanese version, it doesn't mean it was originally anime and hence it's purest form, meaning his origin, would count him as non-anime. Kinda like if we included Goku in some Marvel comic. He wouldn't count as an American comic really. Just a lost anime character. o_o

So if you'd like to start splicing both sides, then we can't just make animeforum only 'anime' and this whole forum has to include a marvel section/DC and what not. Or otherwise it wont be considered a 'top of the line' anime forum (meaning, all that is 'anime'). I don't see that happening, so technically I'm the one feeling giddy about what's what. So I don't lose.

~~Lololol~

x3333

Wow. Winning is fun.

So is not caring. o-o;

-Batman-
08-18-2007, 11:45 PM
Wow. Winning is fun.

Indeed it is. I'll make sure to let you know if you do.


But you see, even if Hulk had a Japanese version, it doesn't mean it was originally anime and hence it's purest form, meaning his origin, would count him as non-anime. Kinda like if we included Goku in some Marvel comic. He wouldn't count as an American comic really. Just a lost anime character. o_o

So if you'd like to start splicing both sides, then we can't just make animeforum only 'anime' and this whole forum has to include a marvel section/DC and what not. Or otherwise it wont be considered a 'top of the line' anime forum (meaning, all that is 'anime'). I don't see that happening, so technically I'm the one feeling giddy about what's what. So I don't lose.

~~Lololol~

x3333

So is not caring. o-o;

I had a loooong reply to this, but it's really not worth the argument.
So here's something short and simple.

VHere's this particular forums rules.
http://www.animeforum.com/showthread.php?t=52934

VHeres the overall animeforum.com rules.
http://www.animeforum.com/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_rules_faq_item

Show me where it says american comic books and characters can't even be MENTIONED in topics let alone discussed?
Someone asked a question. Who can beat Goku. I gave answers.
Now go away. I'm not honoring you with another reply.

AHQ
08-19-2007, 12:43 AM
-Deadpool- let me just say you can only back up your theory that goku is weak with the movies that have obsolutely nothing to do with the stories.I wont mention GT that was only made for more profit(which i'm pretty sure is well known and even the strory is at alower level than dbz).And i'm wondering why are you involving characters from comics.We're talking about DB.And if we look at the DBZ series in the end Goku is the most powerful in the anime and even Vegeta said he's in a different league

End of our discussion

-Batman-
08-19-2007, 01:50 AM
-Deadpool- let me just say you can only back up your theory that goku is weak

Woooaahh, HOLD UP.
Where did I use the words "Goku is weak" ?
I said Goku, typically, requires the Help of other people to beat his enemies. This is true.

Goku couldn't beat Kid Buu by himself.
He needed the help of Vegeta, Fat Buu, and even Hercule.
Remember, Goku needed to stop and rest halfway through the Kid Buu fight, something he wouldn't have been able to do unless Vegeta was there to stall Buu. TELL me i'm wrong, TELL me goku DID NOT say "I need a few minutes to rest, take over for me".

What about the Super Buu fight for that matter? He needed to fuse with Vegeta to fight buu. This happend. Accept it. It happend. Go re-watch DBZ if you don't think it did.

Or what about at the very start of Dragon Ball Z?
Goku could NOT defeat Raditz alone. He NEEDED Piccolo's help to beat him.

Or what about when Vegeta and Nappa came to Earth for the first time? Sure, he beat Nappa fine. But what about Vegeta? Goku NEEDED Krillian, Gohan, and even Yajirobi's help to beat Vegeta. If they WEREN'T there to help, goku would have been dead a second time. By the end of that battle, Goku couldn't even stand.

And Goku didn't even end Cell. He even admitted that he couldn't. He couldn't successfully go Super Sayian 2 at the time. Only Gohan could.
Gohan Beat Cell. NOT Goku.


And i'm wondering why are you involving characters from comics.We're talking about DB.

No, OP asked if anyone in ANYTHING can beat Goku, not JUST DBZ. And if you READ my first post, I actually DID include characters from Dragon Ball Z as well.
I'm bringing up Comic Book characters for the SAME reason other posters are bringing up Uchiha Itachi from Naruto, Yagami Light from Deathnote, and Kurosaki Ichigo from Bleach.
Heck, i'm not even the first person in this thread to bring up and american character. Someone on the first page brought up Superman in a post before I did.


And if we look at the DBZ series in the end Goku is the most powerful in the anime and even Vegeta said he's in a different league

Hey. Dragonball GT. It's Canon.
The strongest being in the universe at the end of Dragonball GT was not Goku. it was Super Sayian Four Gogeta. Followed by Omega Shenron. Followed by Goku.
1. Super Sayin Four Gogeta
2. Omega Shenron
3. Goku
4. Vegeta
See how the list works.
If Goku was stronger than Omega Shenron There would have been no need to fuse with Vegeta.

So, if we don't count Gogeta because he's a fusion, that would make Omega Shenron the strongest.
It wouldn't be the first time Goku faught opponants stronger than him either.
I seem to remember someone getting beaten to a pulp by Freeza before he turned Super Sayian. Who else remembers that?
You? You? What about you? You in the corner?
Yeah, they remember.

And Goku was in a diffrent league at the end of DBZ, Not GT. By the end of GT, Goku was only slightly stronger than Vegeta. They WERE both Super Sayin 4 after all. At that point the two were as even in strength as they had been during the sayian saga, except Vegeta and Goku had been reversed, with Vegeta as the slightly weaker one as opposed to Goku.


End of our discussion

If you say so, but I must ask one question..., have you ever SEEN an episode of Dragon Ball Z? Because you act like Goku single handedly defeats every enemy in the series, rendering all supporting characters and Z-Fighters useless, which is far from the case.

Climaximus
08-19-2007, 01:53 AM
-Deadpool- let me just say you can only back up your theory that goku is weak with the movies that have obsolutely nothing to do with the stories.Eh? I read nothing in his posts calling Goku weak in the first place, only that he can be beaten. And you don't have to look at the movies to find events that can be used to back up the claim that Goku can be beaten. Example: His fight with Radditz. It took pretty much all of Goku and Piccolo's strength to kill him, and Goku ended up dying in the process. Last time I checked, getting killed = being beaten. Go ahead, try to find a way to contradict that. If you still say Goku can't be beaten, and hasn't been beaten, then from what I understand, Goku has never beaten any major villains in a solo fight. After all, this thread is about who can beat Goku, not the Z Fighters. The only fight I can remember where he's fighting all by himself is the one with Frieza. After the fight, Frieza is still alive, floating in space. How can Frieza survive and be considered beaten, and then Goku die and not be considered beaten? Fanboy much?


And i'm wondering why are you involving characters from comics.We're talking about DB.No, we're talking about anime in general. As for the comics, refer to this post:

Japan had a Hulk Manga back in the 70's.
And then there's also the Marvel Mangaverse. Which is a Manga, but with Marvel Characters.
So by your logic, you have to care now because they're animu. The rest of the anime people I listed count as well.


And if we look at the DBZ series in the end Goku is the most powerful in the anime and even Vegeta said he's in a different leagueI remember him saying something like that, but not that he's the strongest in the anime. Kid Buu was of course stronger. Goku borrowed power from people on Earth and Namek (maybe more planets, I can't remember) to create the Spirit Bomb that narrowly destroyed Buu. Since it wasn't his own power, it wasn't him that beat Buu. Goku just gave it a little push at the end, and they needed the power of the Namekian Dragonballs to accomplish that seeing as he was already exhausted. Buu was still able to hold back the enormous Spirit Bomb after all the fighting, making him superior.

Edit: Crap, beaten to it. I spent so much time typing this out

AHQ
08-19-2007, 03:51 AM
Ok,ok Goku is not the strongest character in the anime and he cant beat anyone alone(exept Freeza).I cant win this one :D

genericusername2
08-19-2007, 05:40 PM
AHQ, you need to get your head out of 'hentai world' and stop sniffing anything you get your hands on.


Anyway on topic. Deadpool, Hulk wouldn't have any where near similar power Goku would. Hulk wouldn't even have time to get peed off. With usage of instant transmission and one kamehameha wave, Hulk's would be killed. He isn't invincible or immortal.

I don't know what you have read, but neither Superman or Goku are weak to magic. I haven't read every Superman comic, but I have read a lot. I have never seen magic used against Superman. I have read every Dragonball Z magna, and watched every episode and I have never seen magic used against Goku. What made you come to the assumption they were both weak to magic? What's the bet both would easily still be standing after a Blaze level 4?

After the Saiyan Saga Goku became stronger then Vegeta. Since you mentioned a fair One on One bought between Brolly and Goku, I would say Goku would easily beat Vegeta in the same rules.

I don't want to even bother comparing Goku to any enemies that he needed to fuse with Vegeta to beat. Nor Brolly because I stopped after watching half way throughthe second movie.

Saint Of Killers, don't know. And mind hax is cheating. =P

I think even Yajirobe could kill Goku. Goku ate a lot of food, all Yajarobi would have to do is whip up some chronic poison, put 200mls of it in every bowl of rice that Goku eats. Even Gokus immunity system couldn't reject all that poison.

iRevo
08-19-2007, 05:55 PM
I think even Yajirobe could kill Goku. Goku ate a lot of food, all Yajarobi would have to do is whip up some chronic poison, put 200mls of it in every bowl of rice that Goku eats. Even Gokus immunity system couldn't reject all that poison.

So many things can kill Goku.....
Didn't he got "killed" when he had that heart virus?
Even the mighty Goku cannot withstand a blood clot.

Tetsanosuke
08-19-2007, 06:19 PM
Indeed it is. I'll make sure to let you know if you do.



I had a loooong reply to this, but it's really not worth the argument.
So here's something short and simple.

VHere's this particular forums rules.
http://www.animeforum.com/showthread.php?t=52934

VHeres the overall animeforum.com rules.
http://www.animeforum.com/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_rules_faq_item

Show me where it says american comic books and characters can't even be MENTIONED in topics let alone discussed?
Someone asked a question. Who can beat Goku. I gave answers.
Now go away. I'm not honoring you with another reply.

Honor? This is just a match of how proud we can be. o_o;

I'm just telling you, this is called Animeforum. Not comic forum.

And even if the rules don't mention it I still don't see it's own section.

So stop trying to be right and laugh it off. That's what I've been doing. We both are right to ourselves and that's all that counts. I'm just having fun.

Anyway, another who can beat Goku:

The Legendary Magic Knights.

But there are conditions. They'd need to be in Cephiro when they fight, and since Goku would know nothing of the 'Will is the Power' stuff, the Magic Knights with RayEarth at full power could overcome him.

Let's see.. another..

I'm sure Yusuke around the end of the Yu-Yu Hakusho could take him. From what I heard, he get's crazy powerful. (Currently borrowing the whole collection from my bro's friend. Need to get the next disc though. )

And just to be humorous:

Any and all Loony Tunes who are constantly cheating death. If you can't die from dynamite or falling from a very very very VERY large height then why not survive kamehameha wave?


xD

-Batman-
08-19-2007, 07:25 PM
Anyway on topic. Deadpool, Hulk wouldn't have any where near similar power Goku would. Hulk wouldn't even have time to get peed off. With usage of instant transmission and one kamehameha wave, Hulk's would be killed. He isn't invincible or immortal.


Actually, He is, more or less, invincible.
He heals from every wound he gets within moments. He basically has the same healing factor as Wolverine and Cell. As long as some of his genetic tissue is still present, he regenerates (Meastro for example, an alternate future version of the Hulk, regenerated from powder)
It all depends on WHICH Hulk it is, theres multiple incarnations in banners mind.
The current Hulk, the Green Scar incarnation for example, is probably the most durable. It's the only incarnation that withstood Black Bolts voice...(Black Bolt: His voice creates hax soundwaves, a whisper from his voice alone can level cities.) And just kept going. And his base strength and durability alone are enough to match at least a Super Sayian 2. My guess, the only form Hulk wouldn't stand a chance in hell against is Super Sayian 4. 3 is pushing it do to sheer speed alone. But 1-2, I can see it happening, Hulk isn't slow, and even BROLY (Someone who actually IS slow) was able to catch a super sayian 1 Goku.

And one more thing, Goku would NEVER flat out KILL anyone without trying to reason with them first.
He tried it with Freeza, he tried it with Cell, and he tried it with Buu. I think he even tried it with one of the evil dragons in GT (The orange one with the fire powers).
Grant it they were all bound to laugh in goku's face, Goku still tried, because of his boyscout nature. He also wouldn't kill anyone unless he HAD to do so (As was the case with Freeza, Buu, and Bebi, Super 17, and the Evil Dragons)

If this was "Beat Vegeta", then no Hulk doesn't stand a chance. Vegeta would just kill him right off the bat, game over. Same with just about every villian in DBZ after Freeza..
Goku's greatest weakness is his heart. He's too damn nice and gives everyone a chance to redeam themselves. I'm not saying Hulk would have a 100&#37; victory against Goku, i'm saying it could still be possible under certain circumstances..
More interesting fight would probably be Broly vs The Hulk, since they're practically the same "Smash everything in sight because i'm very angry" fighter.


What made you come to the assumption they were both weak to magic? What's the bet both would easily still be standing after a Blaze level 4?

Well, Superman HAS been proven weak to magic. He's said it in a number of his own thought bubbles, and plenty of magic wielding characters have screwed up superman in the past.

Mr. Mxyzptlk for example, on numerous occasions, has taken away supermans powers all together.
Wonder Woman, during some stupid event, had a dagger that was able to physically cut superman because it was infused with magic.

Sups is basically a being of Science. Magic, after Kryptonite, is his greatest weakness. Superman has a great invunerability to all things physical. Magic however, is supernatural. Anyone who knows anything about Superman knows of his weakness to magic (essenstially the only effective way to beat the man of steel aside from...Well...Kryptonite and Doomsday)
There was also a scene in the DCAU justice league cartoon wear superman was on Dr. Fate's doorstep. He made a remark that he couldn't see through the walls with his X-Ray vision, nor could he punch through the walls, because they were infused with Magic.

I'd imagine goku is the same. As vegeto, he and vegeta weren't able to resist being turned into a small ball of chocolate by Super Buu (Since Buu is a being of formed from magic, i'd imagine that candy attack thing is magic...As no one in the DBZ universe has had an ability as...colorful as...Candy attack). He also wasn't immune to Babidi's teleportation spells. I'd imagine if he were immune to magic, babidi wouldn't have been able to teleport him.
And in Dragon Ball GT, I remember him being trapped in...Some little gremlin things magic dimenstion that was like a giant board game or something.

Every piece of fiction i've read...Any non-magic being who didn't have anti-magic defenses of some kind, were suseptable to magic.


After the Saiyan Saga Goku became stronger then Vegeta. Since you mentioned a fair One on One bought between Brolly and Goku, I would say Goku would easily beat Vegeta in the same rules.

It depends. If we go SSJ4 fight between the two, it could go either way. Since by Super Sayian 4 the diffrence in power was so tiny it doesn't make much of a diffrence. The tiny bit of power vegeta doesn't have, he could make up for in his superior intelligence, or even his tendancy for berserker rampages when backed into a corner.


I don't want to even bother comparing Goku to any enemies that he needed to fuse with Vegeta to beat. Nor Brolly because I stopped after watching half way throughthe second movie.

At the end of the second movie, Basically...
Goten and Trunks spend the movie running away from Broly or stalling him.
(He's in his normal form, not in his legendary super sayian form) Gohand comes, they fight on an even playing field (Gohan isn't SSJ). Then Gohan goes SSJ halfway through, Broly goes Behemoth Legendary Super Sayian.
Then...

Basically Trunks, Goten, and Gohan all go super sayian, then do a Kamehameha at the same time (Even trunks) forming one big Kamehameha, pushing Broly into the Sun (They actually needed to PUSH him into the sun...)


Saint Of Killers, don't know.
...He DID kill god...and Satan...I'd assume yes. He could kill anything, really >_>.


And mind hax is cheating. =P

Still counts! it Works! Mess with goku's head and make him think he's a duck...Victory!


I think even Yajirobe could kill Goku. Goku ate a lot of food, all Yajarobi would have to do is whip up some chronic poison, put 200mls of it in every bowl of rice that Goku eats. Even Gokus immunity system couldn't reject all that poison.

I approve of this kill goku method.


So many things can kill Goku.....
Didn't he got "killed" when he had that heart virus?
Even the mighty Goku cannot withstand a blood clot.

No, he almost did. Alternate future Goku died from it, but the Goku we know survived with Medicine from the future.

genericusername2
08-19-2007, 09:48 PM
Actually, He is, more or less, invincible.
He heals from every wound he gets within moments. He basically has the same healing factor as Wolverine and Cell. As long as some of his genetic tissue is still present, he regenerates (Meastro for example, an alternate future version of the Hulk, regenerated from powder)
It all depends on WHICH Hulk it is, theres multiple incarnations in banners mind.
The current Hulk, the Green Scar incarnation for example, is probably the most durable. It's the only incarnation that withstood Black Bolts voice...(Black Bolt: His voice creates hax soundwaves, a whisper from his voice alone can level cities.) And just kept going. And his base strength and durability alone are enough to match at least a Super Sayian 2. My guess, the only form Hulk wouldn't stand a chance in hell against is Super Sayian 4. 3 is pushing it do to sheer speed alone. But 1-2, I can see it happening, Hulk isn't slow, and even BROLY (Someone who actually IS slow) was able to catch a super sayian 1 Goku.

And one more thing, Goku would NEVER flat out KILL anyone without trying to reason with them first.
He tried it with Freeza, he tried it with Cell, and he tried it with Buu. I think he even tried it with one of the evil dragons in GT (The orange one with the fire powers).
Grant it they were all bound to laugh in goku's face, Goku still tried, because of his boyscout nature. He also wouldn't kill anyone unless he HAD to do so (As was the case with Freeza, Buu, and Bebi, Super 17, and the Evil Dragons)

If this was "Beat Vegeta", then no Hulk doesn't stand a chance. Vegeta would just kill him right off the bat, game over. Same with just about every villian in DBZ after Freeza..
Goku's greatest weakness is his heart. He's too damn nice and gives everyone a chance to redeam themselves. I'm not saying Hulk would have a 100% victory against Goku, i'm saying it could still be possible under certain circumstances..
More interesting fight would probably be Broly vs The Hulk, since they're practically the same "Smash everything in sight because i'm very angry" fighter.

Cells regeneration wasnít all that great. Cells regeneration was taken after Nameks, and Nameks regeneration is slow. Cell also had Friezas ability to survive and regenerate if any genetic tissue is still present, which is pretty much what you just explained. But Wolverines regeneration factor is to be laughed at compared to Cells, he looses a limb or an organ and heís screwed. Then there is the Buu saga. Which took the whole regeneration idea to a newer, retarded level.

But I didnít know self-emotions were taking into account to who would win in a One On One. Goku would have tried to stop the fight a number of times, and Hulk is used to a lot more villainous opponents, so I donít see Hulk getting very upset at Goku. Goku could just use instant transmission to teleport away because fighting Hulk would seem pointless unless Hulk was endangering the Earth or some of Gokus friends, which Hulk most likely wouldnítí do in the first place. But the problem is that he could, so Goku could also take Rick Jones and threaten to kill him or some other person Hulk liked depending on what time of his life weíre talking about. And I didnít know we were limiting Goku to his normal power without any SS levels. In that case Goku would get owned by a lot of people out there, transformations are the main part of Gokus power.

If we take all things into consideration Hulk wouldnít openly attack someone without a reason, either would Goku so the fight probably wouldnít happen. If the rules of engagement were One On One to the death, all power and every power Iíd say Goku would have to beat Hulk. But I havenít read Hulk for a while so Iím not going to tell you Goku would defiantly win.





Well, Superman HAS been proven weak to magic. He's said it in a number of his own thought bubbles, and plenty of magic wielding characters have screwed up superman in the past.

Mr. Mxyzptlk for example, on numerous occasions, has taken away supermans powers all together.
Wonder Woman, during some stupid event, had a dagger that was able to physically cut superman because it was infused with magic.

Sups is basically a being of Science. Magic, after Kryptonite, is his greatest weakness. Superman has a great invunerability to all things physical. Magic however, is supernatural. Anyone who knows anything about Superman knows of his weakness to magic (essenstially the only effective way to beat the man of steel aside from...Well...Kryptonite and Doomsday)
There was also a scene in the DCAU justice league cartoon wear superman was on Dr. Fate's doorstep. He made a remark that he couldn't see through the walls with his X-Ray vision, nor could he punch through the walls, because they were infused with Magic.

I'd imagine goku is the same. As vegeto, he and vegeta weren't able to resist being turned into a small ball of chocolate by Super Buu (Since Buu is a being of formed from magic, i'd imagine that candy attack thing is magic...As no one in the DBZ universe has had an ability as...colorful as...Candy attack). He also wasn't immune to Babidi's teleportation spells. I'd imagine if he were immune to magic, babidi wouldn't have been able to teleport him.
And in Dragon Ball GT, I remember him being trapped in...Some little gremlin things magic dimenstion that was like a giant board game or something.

Every piece of fiction i've read...Any non-magic being who didn't have anti-magic defenses of some kind, were suseptable to magic.

I would still say a SS4 Goku would get the better of Superman. But Superman is the super man for a reason, but I donít see how he could match up to Goku. But taking everything into consideration they most likely would settle it over something to eat.





It depends. If we go SSJ4 fight between the two, it could go either way. Since by Super Sayian 4 the diffrence in power was so tiny it doesn't make much of a diffrence. The tiny bit of power vegeta doesn't have, he could make up for in his superior intelligence, or even his tendancy for berserker rampages when backed into a corner.

Goku has more valuable fighting experience then Vegeta. All Vegetas silly planet invasions as a child would mean jack squat when it came down to Vegeta turning into a SS for the first time. Goku has more control over the extreme higher power levels then Vegeta. He got there naturally and practiced in it, and had a lot of SS3 practice. Vegetaís beserk-rampage has made him clumsy a few times in the past.

But considering they would have similar power levels, Vegeta would take control over the fight like he did back when Goku and Vegeta first fought. Goku has a tendency to make naÔve decisions when it comes to battle. And if everything was taken into consideration, Vegeta would catch Goku off guard most likely trying to understand why Vegeta is being so Ďmeaní, and then trying to talk him out of it.



At the end of the second movie, Basically...
Goten and Trunks spend the movie running away from Broly or stalling him.
(He's in his normal form, not in his legendary super sayian form) Gohand comes, they fight on an even playing field (Gohan isn't SSJ). Then Gohan goes SSJ halfway through, Broly goes Behemoth Legendary Super Sayian.
Then...

Basically Trunks, Goten, and Gohan all go super sayian, then do a Kamehameha at the same time (Even trunks) forming one big Kamehameha, pushing Broly into the Sun (They actually needed to PUSH him into the sun...)

And I always thought how they made Gohan go from Mystic to SSJ pretty stupid. DBZ/GT is full of flaws, but this one was just too plain obvious. Trunks using the Kamahame wave makes you wonder if they rushed the movie.

Go(whatever), Krillian, Mtr Rosh, Yamcha, or whoever else could have taught it to him possibly, but they should have explained that. The Kamahame wave wasnít taught to Goku (Or Yamcha if I remember Dragonball correctly), they taught themselves by seeing Master Roshi use it, or Yamcha saw Goku use it. But Trunks was never in any battles after his child period and he already knew some techniques of his own. So it makes no sense trying to learn it.

And of course pushing Brolly into the sun is the only way to take him out. They didnít get hot at all I assume? Did they fly into space?



...He DID kill god...and Satan...I'd assume yes. He could kill anything, really >_>.

Ah, sounds like a real amusing comic. Some invincible marksmen who shoots invincible bullets that only undead can survive.




Still counts! it Works! Mess with goku's head and make him think he's a duck...Victory!

That almost takes the fun out of it.

-Batman-
08-19-2007, 10:46 PM
But Wolverines regeneration factor is to be laughed at compared to Cells, he looses a limb or an organ and he’s screwed.

You obviously aren't familier with ...About five-six months ago.
Nitro melted all of Wolverines organs and flesh. all that was left was his Adamantium Skeleton...
Well, There was a couple of cells left. Wolverine regenerated...Rather quickly at that, as if nothing ever happend.

Let me show you...THIS (http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/2433/wolv48covkv7.jpg) is what he regenerated from.
Hardly laughable...Retarded yes, but not laughable.

The hole "Wolverine loses an organ or limb" and he's screwed thing was true back in the 90's. However, because he became so popular, talentless writers like Bendis wrote him to be a god-tier level character.
Most fans of the Marvel community don't even pay attention to Wolverine anymore BECAUSE he's so retarded...Just like his ability to be in about 10 comic titles at once.



But I didn’t know self-emotions were taking into account to who would win in a One On One. Goku would have tried to stop the fight a number of times, and Hulk is used to a lot more villainous opponents, so I don’t see Hulk getting very upset at Goku.

More villanious opponants? Many times Hulk goes on random rampages because someone upset banner, destroying entire city blocks and killing innocents.
He fights the Avengers and other heroes more than villians.
And as far as villians go, a lot of times his fights spill over into populated areas, again causing innocents to die when he's fighting Abomination, Leader, Bi-Beast, or even the united states army.


Goku could just use instant transmission to teleport away because fighting Hulk would seem pointless unless Hulk was endangering the Earth or some of Gokus friends, which Hulk most likely wouldn’t’ do in the first place.

World War Hulk.


But the problem is that he could, so Goku could also take Rick Jones and threaten to kill him or some other person Hulk liked depending on what time of his life we’re talking about.

Two things.
-At this point, Hulk doesn't care about anyone. He's also ignored Rick Jones. heck, Hulk even attempted to kill Rick Jones a few times (3-4) when his rage was too great to control.
-Goku would never threaten to kill an innocent person. Ever. Vegeta maybe, but not Goku. It just isn't in his character to threaten an innocent life.


and I didn’t know we were limiting Goku to his normal power without any SS levels. In that case Goku would get owned by a lot of people out there, transformations are the main part of Gokus power.

I never said we were.
I said.
SSJ4, forget it, win goes to Goku.
SSJ3, Pushing it, Goku would probably win, but Hulk may have a chance.
SSJ2 and lower, I gave that to Hulk.


If we take all things into consideration Hulk wouldn’t openly attack someone without a reason,

Again, World War Hulk.
Example...She-Hulk tried to reason with the Hulk, and ask him to stop his invasion of New York with his new little army of aliens from Saakar.
So Hulk smashed her face first into the pavement.


neither would Goku so the fight probably wouldn’t happen. If the rules of engagement were One On One to the death, all power and every power I’d say Goku would have to beat Hulk. But I haven’t read Hulk for a while so I’m not going to tell you Goku would defiantly win.

Current Hulk, i'll explain.

He's essentially the strongest being on Earth aside from The Sentry, they're probably even.
He doesn't revert back to Banner anymore. He's all Hulk.
He's intelligent, and has a grasp for militart stratedgy.
His skills in combat are actually greater now....Meaning they're actually present.
He's in constant rage mode, and he's ALWAYS angry.
He's faster (On the level of Spider-Man)

Essentially he's not the typically "Hulk smash" hulk.
He's a warlord and king of an entire planet.
At this moment in the comics he's actually got most of earths heroes enslaved, and he's building and arena in NYC to force them all to fight to the death.

Hulks main advantage over Goku is that, unlike goku, Hulk never gets tired.
But the fights are all situational.


I would still say a SS4 Goku would get the better of Superman. But Superman is the super man for a reason, but I don’t see how he could match up to Goku. But taking everything into consideration they most likely would settle it over something to eat.

Probably...But it's been stated (I forget which issue) that Superman doesn't actually use his full power. Something stupid, like if he used his full power the force of it would create shockwaves or some crap that would destroy everything around him.
Kind of like how Goku always lures people away from cities to fight, as to not injure anyone.
But Superman is one of the most broken characters ever created.


[/FONT] And I always thought how they made Gohan go from Mystic to SSJ pretty stupid. DBZ/GT is full of flaws, but this one was just too plain obvious. Trunks using the Kamahame wave makes you wonder if they rushed the movie.

Go(whatever), Krillian, Mtr Rosh, Yamcha, or whoever else could have taught it to him possibly, but they should have explained that. The Kamahame wave wasn’t taught to Goku (Or Yamcha if I remember Dragonball correctly), they taught themselves by seeing Master Roshi use it, or Yamcha saw Goku use it. But Trunks was never in any battles after his child period and he already knew some techniques of his own. So it makes no sense trying to learn it.

And of course pushing Brolly into the sun is the only way to take him out. They didn’t get hot at all I assume? Did they fly into space?

The movie made no sense.

And they didn't fly into space...
The Kamehameha kind of just...Pushed Broly from earth, to the sun.




[FONT=Verdana]Ah, sounds like a real amusing comic. Some invincible marksmen who shoots invincible bullets that only undead can survive.

Comic's called Preacher. You'd think undead would die instantly since it's "divine" bullets.

Tetsanosuke
08-20-2007, 12:09 AM
Uhm... The Phantom Boss that was in Neverland in KH as well. And there is a KH manga so, his Death Count thingamabob is viable.

All the Phantom has to do is cast it and disappear. In order to uses instant transmission Goku needs to know what the general area he's going looks like, right? It's been a while since I watched DBZ.

:p

AHQ
08-20-2007, 12:27 AM
AHQ, you need to get your head out of 'hentai world' and stop sniffing anything you get your hands on.

Well sorry i'm not a hardcore maniac who has every single manga,and has seen every episode a million times :laugh:

genericusername2
08-20-2007, 02:43 PM
I am not familiar with five-six months ago with any Marvel-DC-Other comic, not since about the end of last year. But I didn't think I would have missed out on so much. My father still collects them, I used to give him some money to buy a few comics I really enjoyed but the store stopped getting the stock in. I have to go find a different store so I can update my knowlege of what's current. I never knew Wolverine could regenerate from that. That's ridiculous, how can they improve the power of a character that much. But like I said, my knowledge of this is out of date.

I am not going to quote each part of your post. You are making Hulk out to be a villain. From all the comics I read he isn't a villain. He is not evil, but the current Hulk sounds pretty danged evil to me.

And Goku wouldn't threaten to kill an innocent person, but he could. Just like Hulk could threaten the loves ones of Goku to gain a significant advantage in combat, but from what you're saying Hulk wouldn't bother with any of that.



I never said we were.
I said.
SSJ4, forget it, win goes to Goku.
SSJ3, Pushing it, Goku would probably win, but Hulk may have a chance.
SSJ2 and lower, I gave that to Hulk.I don't see any problem with this, sounds reasonable to me.


Comic's called Preacher. You'd think undead would die instantly since it's "divine" bullets..When I do go comic shopping I'll keep an eye out for it. I need to update myself with a lot of comics I am interested in, such as Hulk, Spiderman, Thor, Dead pool, Avengers, Fantastic Four, Cap Marv and some others I found really interesting and I got into. I'm missing out on too much.


Originally Posted by some retarded moron
Well sorry i'm not a hardcore maniac who has every single manga,and has seen every episode a million times AHQ do you realize you are an idiot?

-Batman-
08-20-2007, 06:53 PM
That's ridiculous, how can they improve the power of a character that much. But like I said, my knowledge of this is out of date.

This is how.
Writers like him (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Michael_Bendis).


I am not going to quote each part of your post. You are making Hulk out to be a villain. From all the comics I read he isn't a villain. He is not evil, but the current Hulk sounds pretty danged evil to me.

The current Hulk IS a villian at this point.


And Goku wouldn't threaten to kill an innocent person, but he could. Just like Hulk could threaten the loves ones of Goku to gain a significant advantage in combat, but from what you're saying Hulk wouldn't bother with any of that.

Ehh, Actually I wouldn't put it past him.
He's reeaallly pissed.
Read up on Planet Hulk and World War Hulk.
Normally he just wanted to beat the crap out of people...Now he flat out wants to kill him. You could compair the current Hulk to a toned down Meastro from Future Imperfect.

genericusername2
08-20-2007, 07:24 PM
That writer looks more like he is 65, not 40. And he doesn't even look American.


Ehh, Actually I wouldn't put it past him.
He's reeaallly pissed.
Read up on Planet Hulk and World War Hulk.
Normally he just wanted to beat the crap out of people...Now he flat out wants to kill him. You could compair the current Hulk to a toned down Meastro from Future Imperfect.Okay, I've got some reading up to do. They sure liked changing Hulk a lot. Actually it seems like they are enjoying changing everything.. I hope my favorites haven't gone all weird now. I hate how they take originality out of some of the characters, such as Hulk. You actually liked the changes they made to Hulk?

Manhattan_Project_2000
08-20-2007, 09:09 PM
Epic thread, by the way.

-Batman-
08-21-2007, 01:16 AM
You actually liked the changes they made to Hulk?

Hell yes.
There are a ton of people in the marvel universe who need the crap kicked out of them. Iron Man, Mr. Fantastic, and Black Bolt especially.

Eris
08-21-2007, 06:08 AM
Steven Segal would beat him. Nobody ever fights Steven Segal and lives. It's the undeniable truth.

-Batman-
08-21-2007, 02:06 PM
Steven Segal would beat him. Nobody ever fights Steven Segal and lives. It's the undeniable truth.

What if Steven Segal fought Steven Segal?

Oh, and whoever keeps bad repping me for this thread...
I laugh at you, for your rep doesn't do anything.
It's grey.

genericusername2
08-21-2007, 03:18 PM
I got the same rep, it is supposed to be a good rep because they need to leave a comment if it's bad.

Steven Segal cannot be beat. And he would never agree to fighting himself because he needs to win.

iRevo
08-21-2007, 04:21 PM
Steven Segal cannot be beat. And he would never agree to fighting himself because he needs to win.
Steven Seagal eh? try these people:

Rocky Balboa(HECK YEAH)
Arnold Schwarezaneggar (THE TERMINATOR)
Itachi
George Foreman
Mike Tyson

Eris
08-21-2007, 05:02 PM
What if Steven Segal fought Steven Segal?

Then reality rips in half so that both win.

Sanousuke: All of those people lack the mystical mojo that surrounds Steven Segal. He can always call on some ancient Chinese priests to give him superhuman powers. What Neo is to the Matrix, Steven Segal is to action movies. He can merrily dodge the bullets from a minigun, and before you are half way through saying "aastaa laa veesta, baay-baay", he'll be snapping your neck from behind your back.

He doesn't even have to pretend to be muscular, like Stallone or Schwarzenegger do (in fact, he's a sort of chubby middle aged guy that looks like the next joe.) But he is the living embodiment of bad action movies, like something straight out of Greek mythology.

Steven Segal is Kirk, you are a redshirt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshirt_&#37;28character%29).
Steven Segal is a Battlecruiser, you are a marine.
Steven Segal is a hammer, you are a nail.
Steven Segal is the exterminator, you are a cockroach.
Steven Segal is a forest fire, you are a tree.
Steven Segal is a magnifying glass, you are an ant.

I could go on.

Manhattan_Project_2000
08-21-2007, 11:47 PM
Concider this match up: Goku vs. a level 100 Mewtwo

Keep in mind that Goku is a Fighting-type pokemon, and can’t learn any dark, steel, ghost, or bug type attacks.

I’d have to give the match to Mewtwo. Goku's fast and all, but his special defense is low, and Mewtwo has enough HP and Defense to take Goku's hits. Even if Goku gets a critical hit or two, Mewtwo can just recover.

dougo13
08-24-2007, 08:17 AM
If you can't remember who did what in the Marvel Universe then you can always check out The Marvel Universe site. It's all there.

Yeah, Toriyama fell into the same trap that the writers of Superman fell into in the 50s/60s...giving him godlike powers means no one can defeat him. I checked out some of those old collections and it just seems so ridiculous that Supes could:

travel forward and backward through time under his own power (so he could meet historical figures...this is for the 50s/60s reader remember)

bathe in the sun

light up dead suns with his heat vision

move planets out of orbit

one villain used a magic bow and arrows made from Zeus' thunderbolts with tips heated to 1 million degrees Fahrenheit. After the arrow hit Supes his comment "The mosquitos are getting worse and worse every year!"

Just ridiculous. I'm glad the Marvel Age was ushered in soon after and we got some of the best known characters ever created. And Supes had to be powered down so we could get some really good writing...

╬Karami Mew~Meow
08-26-2007, 07:50 PM
LMAO I like some of your answers

spectracidex
08-26-2007, 10:02 PM
buu?

Goku needed like everyone in the world's power to kill him (and destroy a planet in the process)

Plus buu regenerates. Also maybe Orochimaru?

niKopol
08-26-2007, 10:20 PM
The rabbit, from Monty Python and the Holy Grail, could so take Goku down.

Oh, I misread, ANIME, um Grave from Beyond the Grave.

Wio
08-27-2007, 02:19 AM
But you see, even if Hulk had a Japanese version, it doesn't mean it was originally anime and hence it's purest form, meaning his origin, would count him as non-anime.
But, Son Goku is part of chinese folklore. It's about the monkey king, a powerfull mortal who tried to defy the God. Goku in his purest form isn't an anime character.

BuLmA
08-27-2007, 02:54 AM
Nah... no one can beat Goku!

iRevo
08-27-2007, 06:28 AM
Nah... no one can beat Goku!
Impossible! Every anime character has a weak spot.

sweet pandamonium
08-27-2007, 08:10 AM
But, Son Goku is part of chinese folklore. It's about the monkey king, a powerfull mortal who tried to defy the God. Goku in his purest form isn't an anime character.

And Goku as we know him comes from a live action movie called "Dragonball the magic begins", also not an anime charecter.

spectracidex
08-27-2007, 10:20 AM
The irony is that Goku has died like 5 times in DB/Z/GT lol

-Batman-
08-27-2007, 11:36 AM
The irony is that Goku has died like 5 times in DB/Z/GT lol

Those times don't count.
It was before he was over 9000.

...
Sorry...
*Ahem*
OVER NINE THOOOOUUUUSSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND!

WHAT Nine Thousand?!

Someone else was bound to say it.

Masali
08-27-2007, 12:34 PM
If by "someone" you mean "me" then yeah, you're right on the money.

The Castle
08-27-2007, 04:19 PM
Bobobo could beat Goku with his random power of his nose hair or perhaps Vegeta since he had a problem beating him before.

Hamashimura
08-27-2007, 04:54 PM
There are some really long and interesting discussion here *stares at Deadpool and Sgurd*

Goku is not human...therefore,no human can defeat his unhuman strenght and power...Thus we need other strong character who uses mind based attacks,since Goku's brain is rather weak (since he's not really smart)...But again,even if someone defeat Goku,and kills him,he'll just came back to life in some way (yup,through all the DBZ we can clearly see that good old Deus Ex Machina thingie),and receive a training from someone unknown to us (before we actually meet his trainer),and come back even stronger...
So,what's the point in defeating him anyway?

Now,since Goku lv4 is all powerfull and strong,first thing that's coming to my mind (my previous post),why would I even think of Brolly?
Lv4 Goku can beat him with one finger... But what if from some paralel world comes lv4 Gogeta?
It is certain that Goku cannot beat his fusion...
Bad example...? Might be...but still it's true...
But again,if Goku starts losing he'll come up with SSJ lv5 or 6...

Now...Certain thing - just gather 7 dragon balls and wish for Goku's disappearance...that will surely do it...
But then some of his friends will revive him again/bring him from other dimension,whatever you've done to him...

Then again,comparing DBZ with other animes...first thing that comes to my mind: Yu Yu Hakusho...
Yusuke and Goku,both strong,fast,using energy based attacks...
Sure,Goku's 10x Kamehame-ha is way more powerfull than Yusuke's Reigan,that still would be interesting match...but Yusuke in his changed form...
Also,if Hiei and Yusuke team up against Goku,they just might defeat him...
And again...what's the point of defeating him?

Now,this question is kinda funny...Reminds me off old stupid question that one of my friend made up - Is Luke Skywalker stronger than King Arthur?
Lol...

spectracidex
08-27-2007, 05:43 PM
But you forget, the dragonballs are all gone

Peter Griffin could probably beat him
http://img.zoints.com/public/profile/1/0/0/1/8/8/3/1/main.gif

Manhattan_Project_2000
08-27-2007, 07:59 PM
And Goku as we know him comes from a live action movie called "Dragonball the magic begins", also not an anime charecter.
Dragon Ball manga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Ball) - Ran 1984 to 1995

Dragon Ball: The Magic Begins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Ball:_The_Magic_Begins) - Released 1989. And Unofficial as all hell.

So, how about a big cup of NO?

Chris-san
08-28-2007, 04:39 AM
Er...sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but GT is in no way canon. It was filler produced by Toei because they thought the ending was too open and needed closure; I think the only thing they got approved by Akira Toriyama was that one dude...Baby I think.

Now, I already said Dio Brando could beat Goku, but in all seriousness, Alucard could take him to school five times on Sunday with his Level One and Zero releases, 4TK Naruto most likely seeing as how he has such insane healing and power, and G2 Luffy....Hell, Goku wouldn't even be able to see him. SSJ3? Whatever, Luffy's G2 is so fast and powerful it causes his body to produce steam! The only person I ever saw to do that feat in DB was Buu, and that was because he was pissed off.

Or let's just be humorous and give Ichigo a chance at fighting Goku. Shikai Ichigo and base/Kai-oh Ken Goku could go head-to-head fairly evenly, and Bankai Ichigo could fight fairly with SSJ Goku. But then it gets tricky: Vizard Ichigo would probably get decimated by SSJ2 Goku, and the only chance he'd have would probably be complete Hollowfication, and there's no way Ichigo would allow himself to do that.

So yeah...plenty of things could beat Goku, if they're smart enough. And I don't count SSJ4; GT, aside from being filler, was extremely disappointing and should not exist.

sweet pandamonium
08-28-2007, 05:46 AM
Dragon Ball manga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Ball) - Ran 1984 to 1995

Dragon Ball: The Magic Begins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Ball:_The_Magic_Begins) - Released 1989. And Unofficial as all hell.

So, how about a big cup of NO?

:D Could I exchange it for a plate of noperdoodles?

spectracidex
08-28-2007, 10:09 AM
Er...sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but GT is in no way canon. It was filler produced by Toei because they thought the ending was too open and needed closure; I think the only thing they got approved by Akira Toriyama was that one dude...Baby I think.

Now, I already said Dio Brando could beat Goku, but in all seriousness, Alucard could take him to school five times on Sunday with his Level One and Zero releases, 4TK Naruto most likely seeing as how he has such insane healing and power, and G2 Luffy....Hell, Goku wouldn't even be able to see him. SSJ3? Whatever, Luffy's G2 is so fast and powerful it causes his body to produce steam! The only person I ever saw to do that feat in DB was Buu, and that was because he was pissed off.

Or let's just be humorous and give Ichigo a chance at fighting Goku. Shikai Ichigo and base/Kai-oh Ken Goku could go head-to-head fairly evenly, and Bankai Ichigo could fight fairly with SSJ Goku. But then it gets tricky: Vizard Ichigo would probably get decimated by SSJ2 Goku, and the only chance he'd have would probably be complete Hollowfication, and there's no way Ichigo would allow himself to do that.

So yeah...plenty of things could beat Goku, if they're smart enough. And I don't count SSJ4; GT, aside from being filler, was extremely disappointing and should not exist.

well SSJ2 SSJ3 are all also fillers

i'm pretty sure Arika Toryiama only made DBZ go up to the frieza saga. It was made so Goku would be the only Super Saiyan probably

Chris-san
08-28-2007, 11:40 AM
well SSJ2 SSJ3 are all also fillers

i'm pretty sure Arika Toryiama only made DBZ go up to the frieza saga. It was made so Goku would be the only Super Saiyan probably

No...no they're not, the first SSJ2 was Gohan during the Cell arc and SSJ3 was Goku and Gotenks. Filler means that it wasn't part of the original manga, and if you'd like I could point you the instances where they occured in said manga.

And while Toriyama did in fact intend for Frieza to be the final villian, Dragonball was part of the "Golden Era" of Weekly Shounen Jump, so they couldn't afford to let it end like that. So, rather, the editor continued to pressure Toriyama into another story arc, which was Cell, and then Toriyama decided he wanted Mystic Gohan to be the one to defeat Buu and that would be the end of the series, but he caved to fans and gave it to Goku instead, which is then where he ended the series.

EDIT: Hm, it appears as though this post somehow offended someone. MY BAD for not including that filler wasn't part of the manga because the anime was getting too close to where the manga was at. I don't know who 'sgurd' or 'drugs' or whoever gave me the bad reps, but don't you think you're over-reacting just a bit by calling me a twat AND giving me bad reps? Good job. And MY BAD again for saying GT was filler, but it was most definitely non-canon which, in my opinion, is the same exact thing.

mhumoo
08-29-2007, 11:45 AM
Keitaro Urashima, he's immortal. he might get disintegrated,slashed punch,blown up.. because he cant die goku will just give up and kill himself.. hhehe

Manhattan_Project_2000
08-29-2007, 12:29 PM
Keitaro Urashima, he's immortal. he might get disintegrated,slashed punch,blown up.. because he cant die goku will just give up and kill himself.. hheheGoku is functionally immortal. Such is his plot armor.

TheAsterisk!
09-26-2007, 01:43 PM
- Harrison Ford (in his younger days)?
- Gen. Curtis LeMay and the entirety of SAC? (not anime, I know, but I just HAD to say it)
- Cel (he/it actually HAS done it) (DB)
- Tori-Bot (it has SUPREME control over his destiny)
- famine (various animes)
- cheap plot antics (DB)
- the infamous Vegetable-Eater (DB)
- filler involving baking ingredients
- The Big Crunch Theory (as opposed to the Big Bang- nothing will survive the end of the universe)
- Time & Old Age, as below
http://www.animeforum.com/image/10357546ed348dead50.bmp (http://www.animeforum.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=18789)

blackrosetwilight
10-07-2007, 09:28 PM
I say Light easily kill him with death note, then there is Bellcross from heroic age they can easily destroy planets just venting their powers plus he's an all being that cant be earsed cuz his existance is absulute and eternal, my last guy is my favorite Kite from dot hack Data Drain would reduce goku into an embryo and just step on him and it an attack that never misses cuz it freezes time leaving the goku defensless

King_Shadow89
10-08-2007, 08:44 AM
I think Yuna off of FF-X could beat Goku with her aeons. Because most of the time any true villans with a great power comes, he haves to borrow energy just to beat it. Example Broly, there is no way on Earth that anyone could beat him.

-Batman-
10-08-2007, 02:28 PM
I say Light easily kill him with death note,

Then Goku asks King Yemma to let him go back to earth for 24 hours...Still dead mind you.
So now Goku is DEAD and kicking your teeth in.
Light can't use Deathnote to kill people who are already dead, can he?

King_Shadow89
10-08-2007, 02:32 PM
Then Goku asks King Yemma to let him go back to earth for 24 hours...Still dead mind you.
So now Goku is DEAD and kicking your teeth in.
Light can't use Deathnote to kill people who are already dead, can he?
No he can not.

blackrosetwilight
10-08-2007, 03:48 PM
Well then Light can just confuse Goku dumb self into killing himself by self destructing. All Light has to do is convince Goku that he's the biggest threat to the universe because since he's all good and pure the universe needs to balanced him out with anti-existance and it doesnt matter how many times goku beats that anti-existance a new and stronger one will always appear and since goku isnt the type to hesitate to give up his life for whats right he got no choice but to do it cuz goku isnt the type to risk other people's lives for his own unlike Light, so goku kills himself for his convition and if you dont believe me Light can do it go whatch death note after all brain beats brawns anytime anywhere

blackrosetwilight
10-08-2007, 03:59 PM
oooooooooo i just remember another character that might be able to beat goku. shiki from lunar legend tsukihime with his switch blade and his mystic eye of death perception he can kill or destroy anything with a single strike. Shiki can kill immortals, undead, and everything in between and when he really uses his mystic eye he can erase a person or things existance that include souls too, so no return from the grave from goku and i know for sure the dragon balls cannot bring back some one who no longer exist. Only propblem Shiki's a little emo on fighting until his alter ego takes over

King_Shadow89
10-10-2007, 09:26 AM
Well then Light can just confuse Goku dumb self into killing himself by self destructing. All Light has to do is convince Goku that he's the biggest threat to the universe because since he's all good and pure the universe needs to balanced him out with anti-existance and it doesnt matter how many times goku beats that anti-existance a new and stronger one will always appear and since goku isnt the type to hesitate to give up his life for whats right he got no choice but to do it cuz goku isnt the type to risk other people's lives for his own unlike Light, so goku kills himself for his convition and if you dont believe me Light can do it go whatch death note after all brain beats brawns anytime anywhere

I thought Goku dosn't have the ability to self destruct, only Vegeta?
O well I think Karin can kill Goku just by suducing him and biting him.

blackrosetwilight
10-10-2007, 10:15 AM
goku's god he can do anything and i dont think karin would go for his blood since goku isnt the type to be in a down mood he's either happy, thrilled, angry, or just plain thick headed never sad and when he does get sad it quikly turns to anger or he just laughs it off so there's no way karin can or will want to drink his blood after all karin only drinks the blood of sad people and have you ever seen goku give into any seduction remember that snake lady trying to seduce him he put her into a knot literally but then Karin can cook and goku's a idiot when it comes to food so karin gots him there

King_Shadow89
10-10-2007, 10:42 AM
I forgot about that episode. Yea your right but what about Ren he is a blood sucker and not a blood maker.

Ollie
10-12-2007, 02:57 AM
Blackrosetwilight, please don't double-post. Same goes for the rest of you.

ste-v-o
10-12-2007, 04:13 AM
yagami light from death note!

death note never fail!
when yagami light wrote the name of goku in the death note
goku will die in instant!

the death note can't make the imposible happen, its one of the rules, with goku bieng so powerful would it really be possible for him to die that way? x

ElectroGypsy
10-12-2007, 11:31 AM
Lets see...Spike, Jet, even Ed (Cowboy Bebop)...The Fullmetal, InuYasha, Sesshomaru, Even the old dead geezer, Prophet Cornello (FMA), Naraku, Kikyo, mayhaps Shippo, Sango, and, of course, Kakashi or, as much as i hate to give into this, Sauske Uchia. Neji Hyuga is a no-brainer.

Saiyuko
10-17-2007, 12:21 PM
Light Yagami from DeathNote(Just right in the name into the Deathnote...there, he's dead.)

lietuvis85
10-22-2007, 01:28 PM
Alucard

blackrosetwilight
10-23-2007, 07:24 AM
I forgot about that episode. Yea your right but what about Ren he is a blood sucker and not a blood maker.
I forgot what does he suck.........Oh shoot I mean what kind of blood does he suck I dont remember....wait I remember he only sucks people with stress hmmmmm can some one as dumb a Goku even feel stress? He probably doesnt unless ren has the ability to blow up the world, which is probably the only way to get goku stressed, so I dont think ren would want to drink his blood either, however I wonder if chi chi gets him stresses out? that might make ren want to drink his blood.

Variados
10-23-2007, 07:33 AM
SAILOR MOONhahahaha...
Also Vegeta...Goku is trong of heart, but he is dumb.

sweet pandamonium
10-28-2007, 10:47 PM
who beats Goku? King Kie... How, he removes his body. He's the king after all he has to be able to pass that little bit of paper work through.

TheAsterisk!
11-07-2007, 01:32 PM
But you see, even if Hulk had a Japanese version, it doesn't mean it was originally anime and hence it's purest form, meaning his origin, would count him as non-anime. Kinda like if we included Goku in some Marvel comic. He wouldn't count as an American comic really. Just a lost anime character. o_o

So if you'd like to start splicing both sides, then we can't just make animeforum only 'anime' and this whole forum has to include a marvel section/DC and what not. Or otherwise it wont be considered a 'top of the line' anime forum (meaning, all that is 'anime'). I don't see that happening, so technically I'm the one feeling giddy about what's what. So I don't lose.

~~Lololol~

x3333

Wow. Winning is fun.

So is not caring. o-o;
Then, by this reasoning, we'd better stop using TOEI movies and GT as support and revert to the original manga for reference, since that would be the original story, unaltered.
Do you see the possible problems here?
On the other hand, Deadpool's reasoning would allow me to use Star Wars characters (and fleets!), so there isn't really a good way to limit choices in this context. Don't take crap so seriously.

Besides, I think he was just trying to be humorous.

Naoe Kanetsugu
11-15-2007, 12:28 PM
In the GT series super 17 was able 2 bet goku even when he was in super sayin 4 but in the end 17 let him self be killed by goku and his sister 18 so theirs some1 stronger then goku.

Doom85
11-17-2007, 08:40 PM
Well, let's see, Light, obviously.
Itachi looks at Goku. Game over. Being a Super Saiyan "insert number" doesn't mean anything in an illusion.
Kakashi might be able to, but I'd think Goku would be able to escape.

Naoe Kanetsugu
11-21-2007, 12:55 PM
Well, let's see, Light, obviously.
Itachi looks at Goku. Game over. Being a Super Saiyan "insert number" doesn't mean anything in an illusion.
Kakashi might be able to, but I'd think Goku would be able to escape.



They wouldn't be able 2 beat goku their fast but so is goku and he is much stronger know bang your head on a wall for saying that:banghead:

cute_wong
11-25-2007, 12:24 PM
Of course the Uchiha Itachi from Naruto...since he can use genjutsu and makes illusion of heart attack for him...of course before Goku launches his Kamehame..hahaha ^^

iRevo
11-25-2007, 01:53 PM
Of course the Uchiha Itachi from Naruto...since he can use genjutsu and makes illusion of heart attack for him...of course before Goku launches his Kamehame..hahaha ^^
i think that has been suggested, Im sorry.

Akuni
11-26-2007, 09:16 PM
I'm thinking Vegeta, and I'm wondering if Goku's lack of brains would cause him to lose half the battles...or his kindness >>....in fact I think Goku's pretty damn strong, and I'm seeing alot of Naruto Charcters.

There's no way I think any Naruto characters could compare, unless of course the Naruto producers overtake DBZ, then change the ending by making cameo apperances by Naruto and friends...then killing Goku...again...

Manhattan_Project_2000
11-26-2007, 10:24 PM
the death note can't make the imposible happen, its one of the rules, with goku bieng so powerful would it really be possible for him to die that way? x

Well, the Cell saga alternate-future had Goku die of a heart attack. So, yeah. He'd die. But it's not as though he hasn't already died 500,000 times. Hasn't stopped him yet.


Of course the Uchiha Itachi from Naruto...since he can use genjutsu and makes illusion of heart attack for him...of course before Goku launches his Kamehame..hahaha ^^ A) The Mindrape Sharingan can't kill people. It can paralyze people, and make them think bad things are happening to them. Itachi still doesn't have anything other then maybe his super-sharingan fire that can hurt Goku. It's just as likely that the mindrape would just tick Goku off.
B) Goku could move faster then Itachi could activate it.

EonKid
11-27-2007, 03:56 AM
No one will ever beat Goku.

King_Shadow89
11-27-2007, 10:37 AM
yea I don't think any villian would kill Goku. But Syn Shenron had him dangling fo his life

iRevo
11-27-2007, 04:09 PM
No one will ever beat Goku.
prove it then.

Naoe Kanetsugu
11-28-2007, 11:07 AM
[quote=Akuni;1911758]I'm thinking Vegeta, and I'm wondering if Goku's lack of brains would cause him to lose half the battles...or his kindness >>....in fact I think Goku's pretty damn strong, and I'm seeing alot of Naruto Charcters.

[quote]


If you ppl would notice he changes in the middle of battle he just doesn't take everything so serious.

TheAsterisk!
12-03-2007, 01:33 PM
Well, the Cell saga alternate-future had Goku die of a heart attack. So, yeah. He'd die. But it's not as though he hasn't already died 500,000 times. Hasn't stopped him yet.
Actually, as far as I know, Goku has died only twice (Raditz/Piccolo & Cel), a small number for Dragonball.

Fighter Kirby
12-03-2007, 02:23 PM
I'm surprised to see that no one's put Monkey D. Luffy yet. o_o; At least in the manga, that is.

Well, to a point. As I see it is this, if Luffy could go to Gear Second or Gear Third and force Goku to under say...(Super)SSJ or SSJ2, he'd have a chance. That's the closest that anyone could get to him in pure speed and strenght.

All this Light from Death Note, stuff. They'd have to get his original name of Kakkarot in the first place. "Son Goku" is pretty much an alias if I've ever seen one, so that's out of the question.

Uchiha Itachi? Uhm, no. Goku punches him once in normal form and he's wiped out from it entirely. Hell, Uchiha Sasuke can take a punch from Itachi and Goku sure as I am living here would knock him out if not kill him with one hit.
Genjutsu? Wouldn't be a factor at all.
Ninjutsu? Goku would kill him in the time it takes to form two handseals. Taijutsu? No one, I mean no one can beat Goku hand-to-hand. Period.

Sharingan? What can Itachi even do with that, except maybe force and illusion, but I've already covered that. He can't track Goku, it's even cannon that said that "The Sharingan is useless if you can't keep up with the opponent's speed." Finally, copying? What could Itachi copy from Goku? Nothing.

Anyone from InuYasha or FMA? Nah'. Maybe InuYasha's attack that sends someone straight to hell. (This is the current manga, people.) But, hey. Goku's even escaped death before.

Goku in the end, cannot be beaten. It's impossible by any stretch of the imagination for him to be beaten in a fight.

Notice, I said a fight. He dies of old age eventually.

dollmage
12-14-2007, 02:20 PM
hipnotise chichi and tell her to beat the hell out of gouku.

daft
12-15-2007, 10:44 PM
HAHAHA, beat Goku???

Yeah right! Spirit Bombs everywhere!!! #.#

TheAsterisk!
12-17-2007, 12:21 PM
hipnotise chichi and tell her to beat the hell out of gouku.
It'd scare him a great deal, but I don't think it'd beat him. He won't hurt Chichi, but she can't physically injure him.
...
Betcha thought I'd say it was funny, huh?
...
Ok, it was an amusing thought...

Snowscala_Xx
12-17-2007, 01:18 PM
XD who needs to fight goku through physical contact when you got a death note book XD. i say kira.Goku will die of a stroke before going super saiyan XD.

TheAsterisk!
12-17-2007, 02:23 PM
XD who needs to fight goku through physical contact when you got a death note book XD. i say kira.Goku will die of a stroke before going super saiyan XD.
This has been covered and refuted already (by Deadpool, I think). Even if the Dragonballs aren't used to bring him back to life, King Yemna (spelling?) can grant him a 24-hour pass to Earth.
Even when dead, he can destroy whoever has the death note book.
Besides, you'd need his real name (see Juushichi's post above on this page).

Snowscala_Xx
12-17-2007, 02:29 PM
This has been covered and refuted already (by Deadpool, I think). Even if the Dragonballs aren't used to bring him back to life, King Yemna (spelling?) can grant him a 24-hour pass to Earth.
Even when dead, he can destroy whoever has the death note book.
Besides, you'd need his real name (see Juushichi's post above on this page).

real good point, i havent read all the post as there was fudgin pages of them. and i think everyone knows goku's real name as his "teamates" always seem to rely on him and shout out his name in every freaken episode. And the death note book and manipulate time, so even though he is dead or crap he cant touch kira. X_X thats how i see it @_@.

TheAsterisk!
12-17-2007, 03:19 PM
real good point, i havent read all the post as there was fudgin pages of them. and i think everyone knows goku's real name as his "teamates" always seem to rely on him and shout out his name in every freaken episode (1). And the death note book and manipulate time (2), so even though he is dead or crap he cant touch kira. X_X thats how i see it @_@.
(1) You mean, "GOKU!!!" Only Vegeta says "KAKARROT!!!"
(2) Time Machines are infinitely useful plot devices...AND THE DBZ CHARACTERS JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE ONE!!! WHAT LUCK!!!

Hideki Motosuwa.
12-27-2007, 10:06 PM
Can't Broly the legendary super saiyan beat Goku? In the first Broly movie, Broly beat Goku in strength, but Goku beat him only because Piccolo, Gohan, Trunks, and Vegeta channeled their energy into him(even then, Broly still lived and survived!). But, if you're talking about SS3 or 4 then that's a different story... Hmm... I wonder what would happen if Broly faced Goku in SS3 or 4?:huh:

TheAsterisk!
12-27-2007, 10:24 PM
Can't Broly the legendary super saiyan beat Goku? In the first Broly movie, Broly beat Goku in strength, but Goku beat him only because Piccolo, Gohan, Trunks, and Vegeta channeled their energy into him(even then, Broly still lived and survived!). But, if you're talking about SS3 or 4 then that's a different story... Hmm... I wonder what would happen if Broly faced Goku in SS3 or 4?:huh:
Broly cannot beat Goku for four reasons.
1) Broly is an invention of TOEI Animation and, as a consequence, if Goku were to fight him, Goku Goggles would be affixed, making Goku invincible.
2) Becasue Broly is a TOEI invention, Super Saiyan 4 is canon. Broly will be vaporized by a simple punch.
3) Broly is so lacking in intellect, even Goku could outsmart him if he tried.
4) Forget your percieved need for SSJ3; even SSJ2 would suffice, and we see Goku go this far in his bout will Majin Vegeta.
Broly is toast.
I say again, only Tori-Bot has the power to defeat Goku.

Shadow Wolf75
12-28-2007, 11:51 PM
What, no mention of Lina Inverse in the whole thread? That's just sad. All she'd have to do is cast the Giga Slave. Maybe Ragna Blade would work and that's the one she'd be more likely to use, but if she uses Giga Slave it's game over for Goku.

Yeah, Lina needs time to chant, but she could be doing that in her head while Goku tries to reason with her.

dollmage
12-29-2007, 05:33 AM
just let chichi hold a knife or somethin besides skin is a skin his also a close anatomy to humans - e.g. gorilla - e.g. saiyan so you could cut his skin so just let chichi hold a freakin knife or let her cook somethin and poison gouku that would work

Lady_Baneheart_Of_Blades
12-29-2007, 05:41 AM
Slugger can beat goku, he can't die. He has a massive baseball bat. He meltsw into a river whenever he can. Or I think baby can defeat him if he could. lol p.s Slugger is a character from paranoia agent

Lune Cy
12-29-2007, 06:30 AM
Goku rules over the Anime world...all the others r just wannabes ^^
and gohan COULD beat him...thats it...

King Goku ^^

TheAsterisk!
01-01-2008, 06:04 PM
just let chichi hold a knife or somethin besides skin is a skin his also a close anatomy to humans - e.g. gorilla - e.g. saiyan so you could cut his skin so just let chichi hold a freakin knife or let her cook somethin and poison gouku that would work
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Goku survived bullets (courtesy of Launch) as a kid; imagine what he can take now.
He also was able to stop Trunks's sword with his finger even though Trunks was a super saiyan, remember?
Knives will do nothing of any consequence to Goku.
At either the first or second tournament Goku attended, one of the other competitors poisined his food (soup?); Goku didn't even notice.

Slugger? Pfft. Goku has undoubtedly had to fend off Yamcha and his baseball bat already. As for Slugger not being able to die...it doesn't matter if Slugger survives. The thread calls for a defeat of Goku with no stipulations for the attacker.* Even if Slugger survives, Goku does, too, so Slugger has NOT beaten him.
Baby is a sorry TOEI invention, and, so, SSJ4 is permissable. No dice.

Gohan could beat him based on power levels if you're talking about pre-GT, sure, but he would probably slip up due to his reluctance to fight and to kill his own father.

Shadow Wolf75, might you explain how the Giga Slave and Ragna Blade operate so that I may respond effectively? I'm afraid I'm not familiar with Lina Inverse

Close, but no cigar. It's still just Tori-Bot. Let's keep tryin', folks!

*This means kamikaze attacks are also permissible, you know.

Alias-Revolution
01-01-2008, 07:05 PM
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Gohan could beat him based on power levels if you're talking about pre-GT, sure, but he would probably slip up due to his reluctance to fight and to kill his own father.

*This means kamikaze attacks are also permissible, you know.

Well, do you honestly think Goku would have the gall to kill his own son? Let's not forget that he's a very... emotional saiyen.

Kamikaze... well, in that case, I would think if Gotenks were to bild up a high enough power level and then send a bunch of ghosts inside Goku somehow... well... Yea, it might work. I could see Goku being destroyed from the inside out. One or two Super Ghosts in the gut and he'll either die or have a very severe case of heartburn.

TheAsterisk!
01-01-2008, 09:38 PM
Well, do you honestly think Goku would have the gall to kill his own son? Let's not forget that he's a very... emotional saiyen.

Kamikaze... well, in that case, I would think if Gotenks were to bild up a high enough power level and then send a bunch of ghosts inside Goku somehow... well... Yea, it might work. I could see Goku being destroyed from the inside out. One or two Super Ghosts in the gut and he'll either die or have a very severe case of heartburn.

1) I said Gohan would not kill Goku; this does not require that Goku kill Gohan.
2) It'd have to be a surprise attack, and Goku would have to let the ghosties get near him, anyway. It might work, but I doubt it. Of course, the Goku goggles, if affixed, might demand that he absorb the energy (as with his spirit bomb) and redirect it at Gotenks.
3) I meant kamikaze in the sense of Majin Vegeta or Chiaotzu (spelling?), not the ghosts.

Sanosuke23
01-02-2008, 03:01 AM
It's pretty impossible to find someone to beat and KILL Goku in a fight. There are other characters that could outsmart him using other means, but in a battle he's pretty much a walking, muscled Deus Ex Machina.

Which is precisely why comic nerds will constantly counter Goku with Superman, who has extremely similar abilities with an extra layer of hax but two glaring weaknesses Goku wouldn't exploit in a "friendly" fight(Kryptonite and Yellow Sun Dependency).

Also, we'd have to take into account Goku's DISPOSITION. He wouldn't fight someone with an intent to kill unless he had to. He may not fight at all, or forfeit. He may get rung out if it's a tournament with a ring. If we're simply going by the manga, then Gohan would probably stand the best chance of beating him. However, without breaking into other mediums I don't think there will ever be someone who will "destroy" Goku, simply because he can be wished back, or granted a visit to come back and continue the fight without the burden of his mortal stamina. The ONLY person that can equal him is Superman, and neither one of them would fight to their full potential for fear of destroying the planet with a single punch or something equally ludicrous.

For the record, in All-Star Superman I believe, it's postulated that Superman's powers are actually gravity-based, so nothing that's subjected to gravity will seriously harm him. Energy blasts would at best stun him, and if we're taking into account Golden Age Supes, well, nobody else will ever win. THE MAN INVENTED POWERS AS HE WENT ALONG. AND EVEN THEN WENT BEYOND THEIR INTENDED FUNCTION.

http://www.superdickery.com/images/stupor/SuperVen.JPG

HOW IS THAT VENTRILOQUISM?!

http://www.superdickery.com/images/stupor/side22li.jpg

"This was the canonical explanation for why no one recognized that Clark Kent was Superman. That and it could be broadcast over television, and had a residual effect so people wouldn't notice it in photographs when he's not around.

Super hypnotism. Amplified by Plexiglass. Broadcasted over TV.

Honest." - Caption from the site I lifted this from.


So you see, Superman is clearly MUCH more hax than Goku.

TheAsterisk!
01-02-2008, 06:36 AM
Here is the original post.

Who in the anime world could beat Goku? *hehe* Give me characters, and I'll answer it, ...after you all get to answer. :banana:
post, post, post... ^_^
Thus, Superman is out; sorry, Sanosuke23.

Sanosuke23
01-02-2008, 06:33 PM
I know, I know. But it's already been established that the answer is nobody(Akira Toriyama is not anime, and his robotic avatar is to my knowledge a noncombatant).

Bionicman
01-02-2008, 07:33 PM
Almost every DBZ character can knockout superman with one punch anyway...
Man of steel doesn't have a chance against Goku.

Sanosuke23
01-02-2008, 08:06 PM
Haha wut. Not Dr. Slump Superman. Not Justice League nerf'd Supes. The good one.

He's capable of destroying a planet with a punch. He simply DOESN'T.

Ollie
01-02-2008, 08:08 PM
I know, I know. But it's already been established that the answer is nobody(Akira Toriyama is not anime, and his robotic avatar is to my knowledge a noncombatant).
Seems to me this thread has run its course, then.