Bleach - Official Discussion Thread MK2

[Gjallarhorn]

Okay, so this week's chapter was actually pretty good...which is a tremendous change for this series. I'm actually anticipating the next chapter, and not in the typical "can we get this over yet?" way.

[Aizen-sama]

im kinda of mad now that aizen is getting into the fray they want to now show the yami fight...omg when i saw ichigo rescue rukia i said wtf!! i swear i jus dont like ichigo he annoys me he just got done fighting and he already better with so much energy,im glad byakuya and kenpachi came,i just really want to see Aizen-sama fight

[Wio]

Ichigo has become extremely powerful within hours? Not too long ago he was toe-to-toe with Grimjaw. Now they expect him to face Aizen, who is stronger than any of the espada. It's really stupid.
Rukia and Orihime are gonna have to wear less clothing if Tite continues to write like this.
Maybe he should pick up a volume of Dragon Ball to figure out how to deal with multiple fights. He said Akira was his mentor.

[Anime Forum]

Um, so let me get this straight. Ichigo went to Hueco Mundo to save Orihime and then... LEAVES WITHOUT HER?! =/

[Tattster]

Um, so let me get this straight. Ichigo went to Hueco Mundo to save Orihime and then... LEAVES WITHOUT HER?! =/

yep you've hit the nail on the head

[Anime Forum]

I really just want Orihime to die ._. her and Hinamori just get on my nerves

[Tattster]

heh :P

notice huge parallels in the anime and manga at the moment?

Its Kenpachi competing with byakuya in the manga

AND

Its Kenpachi fighting byakuya in the anime D:

(also for me just kill tousen....he's annoying o_O)

[Aizen-sama]

for those that have read the latest chapter in bleach
so do u think that tosen,gin,and Aizen-Sama all have mask now
when the motion and what tosen said its a possiblilty
if thats the case then ichigo stands no chance against Aizen-sama yay XDD ichigo will finally die

[Anime Forum]

As the main character even if Ichigo dies, he'll just go to soul society and continue on being a reaper. He'll never no-coming-back-die.

[Wio]

Um, so let me get this straight. Ichigo went to Hueco Mundo to save Orihime and then... LEAVES WITHOUT HER?! =/
Ichigo went to Hueco Mundo to save her and then he saves her.
He then leaves (to the most dangerous place in the entire Bleach world at this moment) without her.

Is it so surprising? Do you want an Ichigo-Orihime sex scene, or perhaps you want Ichigo to put Orihime in a dangerous situation where she almost dies, or something else? I'm a bit confused about what you expect.


As the main character even if Ichigo dies, he'll just go to soul society and continue on being a reaper. He'll never no-coming-back-die.
That's what happens if his really body dies. If his soul dies, he's out of luck regardless.

But if there were a series where all the rules don't matter at get thrown out, this would be that series. I'm pretty sure there are concrete plot holes that could only be weaseled out of by saying "Oh, that one time Rukia was lying about how soul society works" or "This hasn't happened before, I guess we've been wrong the entire time."

[Anime Forum]

Ichigo went to Hueco Mundo to save her and then he saves her.
He then leaves (to the most dangerous place in the entire Bleach world at this moment) without her.

Is it so surprising? Do you want an Ichigo-Orihime sex scene, or perhaps you want Ichigo to put Orihime in a dangerous situation where she almost dies, or something else? I'm a bit confused about what you expect.

He was supposed to bring her back, in fact it would probably be beneficial to bring her back right now. And I really want her to die, that's what I expect =D


That's what happens if his really body dies. If his soul dies, he's out of luck regardless.

But if there were a series where all the rules don't matter at get thrown out, this would be that series. I'm pretty sure there are concrete plot holes that could only be weaseled out of by saying "Oh, that one time Rukia was lying about how soul society works" or "This hasn't happened before, I guess we've been wrong the entire time."

As if Kubo would kill him off anyway? And the protagonist always has some sort of special rules associated with them.

[Wio]

As if Kubo would kill him off anyway? And the protagonist always has some sort of special rules associated with them.
How about this: Ichigo dies, but it turns out that there is a secret spell:
If a soul is killed on a Monday, they can be brought back to life if TWO captains and a Vizard do the macarena in a town with a certain amount of spiritual force (in other words, only Karakura town) and a big breasted woman cries a tear over the victim's body.

I would really like to see THAT happen.

[SOS Machinehead]

How about this: Ichigo dies, but it turns out that there is a secret spell:
If a soul is killed on a Monday, they can be brought back to life if TWO captains and a Vizard do the macarena in a town with a certain amount of spiritual force (in other words, only Karakura town) and a big breasted woman cries a tear over the victim's body.

I would really like to see THAT happen.

I wouldnt put it past Kubo. I mean after having an opponent that can age stuff and yammy, this is normal.

[ddemetrius456]

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[Ec[lips]e]

Just read chapter 386 (it's already scanlated!) and I couldn't be more pleased with how it ended :laugh:

Here's hoping something all dramatic and plotkai-ish doesn't happen in the next one :closedeye

[Saint Seiya]

i was expecting a lot more from tousen, his resurrection was ugly and weak, i mean, he was stronger than that without even a freakin mask on

[Ec[lips]e]

i was expecting a lot more from tousen, his resurrection was ugly and weak, i mean, he was stronger than that without even a freakin mask on

It is slightly disappointing given he was one of the big bad three, but then again something more could still be coming next week.

My biased self and dislike for his character thinks he deserves a lame resurrection though http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v21/sweetkates11/giggle.png

[Gjallarhorn]

i was expecting a lot more from tousen, his resurrection was ugly and weak, i mean, he was stronger than that without even a freakin mask on

In case you haven't caught on: The Bleach power scaling makes no sense what-so-ever, and can fluctuate immensely for no reason.

[IcePriestess]

They probably wanted to show that Shinigami's shouldn't become hollow on their own will. Something like that.
Well I agree that Tousen dying = good plot development. I wish Ichigo would get his butt kicked and then that "Soul Society King" would finally show himself. But since it's Kubo, Soul Society's king will probably be someone we know, like Ichigo's father...

[Saint Seiya]

In case you haven't caught on: The Bleach power scaling makes no sense what-so-ever, and can fluctuate immensely for no reason.

yes i have but still, i was expecting more he basically transformed to become weaker and even in bleach when someone transforms, they become stronger

[Tattster]

The chapter i just read was pretty damn good, (387)

So Hirako's zapacutou reverses absolutely everything aye. :3

Aizen also showed how incredibly cruel he is, Tousen could see while he was on his deathbed and after he's asks to see Hisagi's face for the first time, Aizen kills Tousen before that can happen. That's cold.

Now Ichigo's back in the real world. Thoughts on what's going to happen next? :3

[Gjallarhorn]

I'm very disappointed at how easily Kubo Tite just tossed Shinji aside. He has foreshadowed for a long time how strong Shinji is, especially as the leader of the Vizards, and the first time he fights he is just tossed aside. Not only that, but he goes about telling Aizen exactly how his zanpakutou worked, thereby completely ruining its ability. By all means, if he hadn't explained and gone in for the kill (which would have made sense...which would have been realistic) Aizen would be at least critically wounded.

Shinji has become, like every other "special" character or ability, absolutely useless. Just as bankai became, just as getsuga tenshou became, just as Nell became, just as all of the Espada became, and just as Tousen became.

Anything that could possibly be good about this series is utterly murdered by Kubo Tite's inability to write.

[Tattster]

Are you honestly surprised at all that Kubo had Shinji tossed aside so easily.

Let me break down the most likely ending to occur.

Ichigo's here no yes yes we know: </insert fangirl squee>

-Ichigo will be beaten down until his hollow takes control as in the Ulquiorra fight.

-Good Sir Hollow wil go RAWR RAWR RAWR you not affecting my sense's im running on my instincts.

-Aizen will hold his own for a time but will eventually be beaten down also.

-Ichigo by some miracle will be able to regain his sanity after the hollw has taken full control. (refer again to Ulquiorra fight and Also his fight against Zangetsu in the Zanpactou Rebellion Arc)

- Ichigo and Aixen will have a typical bleach WHO HAS MORE REITSU RAWR RAWR RAWR WEE WEE (language toned down) CONTEST

-Ichigo eventually wins after taking a few substantial hits.

Refer to Ichigo versus Grimmjow/Ulquiorra/Byakuya/Kariya/Amagai


Plausible theory yes? no?

[Gjallarhorn]

No, I'm not surprised at all. I'm just, as always, disappointed. Somehow Kubo Tite manages to include something every once in a while that gets my hopes up just a bit that the series might take a step in the right direction, and every time he just disappoints me once again.

[Tattster]

There there.

As much as i hate to say it, atleast (or so i'm told by whimpering fangirls) that Naruto, they actually kill of main plot characters to develop the plot.

I thought bleach had finally done that, but no Hiyori's barely alive but alas alive, Shinji asked Hachhi to heal her if he could if i remember correctly.

The new filler had a good twist i guess, seeing that Kouga was a kuchiki and whatnot?

[KamiKenpachi]

In case you haven't caught on: The Bleach power scaling makes no sense what-so-ever, and can fluctuate immensely for no reason. Even DBZ power levels make more sense right? XD

[Gjallarhorn]

Finally got proof for the Yammy-is-Espada-0 plothole.

When one of the initial Arrancar which has come to the material world is fighting Hitsugaya, he is explaining the numbering behind the Arrancar, stating that "11 and up are numbered in order of our birth", and says that "numbers 1 through 10 are reserved for the Espada".


I'm sure we all knew this already, but it's good to have definite source.



Also, as for the latest chapter, did anyone else notice that Aizen's shield was an AT Field (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At_field#AT_Field)?

[Miz]

Finally got proof for the Yammy-is-Espada-0 plothole.

When one of the initial Arrancar which has come to the material world is fighting Hitsugaya, he is explaining the numbering behind the Arrancar, stating that "11 and up are numbered in order of our birth", and says that "numbers 1 through 10 are reserved for the Espada".


I'm sure we all knew this already, but it's good to have definite source.



Also, as for the latest chapter, did anyone else notice that Aizen's shield was an AT Field (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At_field#AT_Field)?

I actually didn't until you mentioned it, but it seems like your right. I liked the chapter and I like where the Bleach series is heading. I thought around twenty chapters ago it was losing its touch, but it still seems strong and entertaining.

[Chuck the Ninja]

Im interested in seeing the Soul Key made. I want to see what Aizen can do again the WHOLE zZero division. These are the BEST captains HAND_PICKED my the soul king to defend him. It's like his personal group of beat sticks.

Also I think Gin is truly the one were over looking. We know nothing of him. To tell the truth I would fear him more then Aizen. All he does is grin, and shot his sword out cutting people in half. He wasted no time in cutting Hiyori down.

Also I was thinking the Vivard would be as strong or STRONGER then the current captains but no. TWO captain level Vivard were seriously injured, and beaten by Starrk. It took a dirty move by Kyoraku to defeat him. Starrk is by far the best character on bleach, and owns them all. But you also have to think about another fact. Ukitake was defeated by ONE blow. That Kid, dont know name, is cold-blooded, and powerful. He hasn;t released his zanpakuto, and already a Captain level vivard has had to release his zanpakuto to fight him. I'm interested in that fight.

Aizen is broken. He's not far. He doesn't lose his cool or even show that he affected by being out numbered. Just watch Ichigo, and company will all be defeated in one move. He'll use his zanpakuto to get all of them while Ichigoi stands there like O.O OMG were owned.

He has yet to know his or Gin's bankai. There all having trouble just fighting them in shikai. Bankai. EVERYONE DIES.

It will be up to Kyoraku, and Yamamoto to finish this fight. But before that can happen Aizen, and Gin will retreat to Hucho Mundo where they will find everyone dead, and the soul reapers gone. That's where Aizen will sya something like.

"Everything went as planned. Gin. Bring them in."

That's when TEN Viste Lordes will walk in and Aizen will grin widely. htat when it goes off, and we wait like Thirty yrs for it to return with another filler.

[Anime Forum]

We don't know that the Zero Division is hand picked. We just know that it is possible to be promoted into the Zero Division and that they act as a Royal Guard. There might even be positions higher than the Zero Division...

Gin is second to Aizen. Aizen pretty much has the lot of them in his back pocket with his shikai hypnosis thingy which I think Gin has also witnessed. As of yet we don't know the limitations of his shikai's abilities or much about what he can make them believe. You also can't assume that everyone's bankai is suitable for combat. Urahara stated that his isn't.

Furthermore, we haven't seen quite a lot of the Captains' Bankais. We also don't know the extent that the Vaizards can go. Can they still bankai or do they do a ressurection release?

Then we still have Kurosaki Isshin who we really don't know much about, and Urahara, Tessai and Yuroichi haven't really shown us much either.

There is still a lot of room for surprises and random twists. I really do want the pace to pick up though.

[Battler Ushiromiya]

I say that Aizen remains in control until he kills off most of the captan level soul reapers n says..... well that counts as 100,000 or whatever the number is to make the damn key and makes it to 0 division. ichigo comes with someone else and fight gin and aizen, and ichigo goes SS and wins.....
Aizen is the best character in beach besides kenpachi!

[Battler Ushiromiya]

Wow, Aizen is either getting owned or is setting them all up. If you read the lastest chapter then tell me what you think?

[Le_Jardinier]

He is definately gettin' his *** kicked for real but trust me the fight is just gettin' interesting koz as far as we know Aizen hasn't gone shikai, bankai or hollowfied yet.

[Gjallarhorn]

I'll give it up to Kubo Tite, this was a great chapter. A few unexpected happenings, through it seems the artwork lid a bit in a few panels. Unfortunately, it probably won't carry over to the next one.

[Battler Ushiromiya]

At the end I think shinji used his bankai on Aizen so squad 10 captain could land that blow.

[IcePriestess]

He is definately gettin' his *** kicked for real but trust me the fight is just gettin' interesting koz as far as we know Aizen hasn't gone shikai, bankai or hollowfied yet.

I don't think Aizen will be Hollowfied. I mean he talks about Vizards/Arrancars like they are trash, and becoming hollowfied would be way beyond his level.

[Battler Ushiromiya]

I don't think Aizen will be Hollowfied. I mean he talks about Vizards/Arrancars like they are trash, and becoming hollowfied would be way beyond his level.
With this I agree.
He already has an insane amount of power, why get more?

[Gjallarhorn]

I don't think Kubo Tite is writing Bleach anymore. This chapter was WAY too good to have been written by him.

[Battler Ushiromiya]

Wow I just read the chapter that came out today and wow..... ( Spoiler ) Aizen owns all noobs easy.

Add*
* YAY BLEACH IS GOOD AGAIN!

[Hakuto_washi]

Okay, Aizen fan boy. Anyways, the chapter was amazing. Aizen wasn't really there, it was Momo, and Aizen proceeded to cut down Izuru and Tetsuzaemon. Momo uses her dying breath to ask, "Shiro-chan... why?" and died. Tôshirô got pissed off and tried to attack Aizen. He got told, "You're all completely open," and was stabbed. The chapter ended, "Will he fall?"

Well, Kubo Tite is starting to make it good again and not "Oh, I'll just be killed and survive magically" like it has been. Even though I didn't want Hitsugaya to die. :( Beggars can't be choosers.

[Battler Ushiromiya]

Okay, Aizen fan boy. Anyways, the chapter was amazing. Aizen wasn't really there, it was Momo, and Aizen proceeded to cut down Izuru and Tetsuzaemon. Momo uses her dying breath to ask, "Shiro-chan... why?" and died. Tôshirô got pissed off and tried to attack Aizen. He got told, "You're all completely open," and was stabbed. The chapter ended, "Will he fall?"

Well, Kubo Tite is starting to make it good again and not "Oh, I'll just be killed and survive magically" like it has been. Even though I didn't want Hitsugaya to die. :( Beggars can't be choosers.I am an Aizen fan boy. He is the only one that dose anything right in that anime. XD

[Hakuto_washi]

Hmm... I wonder if he will fall. Or if Kubo will just do what he always does to make Bleach horrible: nobody dies. And there's a hiatus. :O

[Battler Ushiromiya]

More than likely...............................
Lets hope not...... -.-

[Hakuto_washi]

If that does happen, I will contemplate not reading Bleach anymore until Kubo either dies or breaks his hands. XD

[Le_Jardinier]

Latest Bleach 392 was a mad thing, there are no words for what AIZEN is doing to them ... that was a brilliant chapter.

[Battler Ushiromiya]

Ummmm, when did I double post? Did a post between mine get deleted?
( Looks up. )

[Wio]

Finally got proof for the Yammy-is-Espada-0 plothole.

When one of the initial Arrancar which has come to the material world is fighting Hitsugaya, he is explaining the numbering behind the Arrancar, stating that "11 and up are numbered in order of our birth", and says that "numbers 1 through 10 are reserved for the Espada".
It's not unrealistic to believe that he 1) Did not know about the Yammy thing himself 2) Simply lied 3) Did not feel like saying "number 0 through 9, except Yammy's number look like 10" and just said what he did.

How many times have characters said "I am going to kill you" and have thus failed to do so in this series? Or even yet: It must be a plothole that Aizen is a bad guy, because Hinamori said she thinks he's a good guy. BIGGEST PLOTHOLE EVER!

[Cobra Commander]

That's not a plot hole, Hinamori just has no sense. Probably hypnotized by Aizen.

[Hakuto_washi]

Or Hinamori is, herself, a bad guy. I've seen it happen in anime and movies before.

[Wio]

That's not a plot hole, Hinamori just has no sense. Probably hypnotized by Aizen.
Of course it isn't a plot hole, because Hinamori is too biased or doesn't want to acknowledge that Aizen is a bad guy. Hinamori has probably been with Aizen for decades and has only seen him as a good person. He's been bad for a relatively short time.

But my point is that what one character says, especially an extra who exists only to demonstrate the arrancar's power, does not need to be 100% in accordance with what is actually going on. Hinamori believed that Aizen was a good guy and was wrong. One Arancar said that the Espada are numberd 1 - 10, but he could have been misinformed, lying, or briefly explaining.

[Le_Jardinier]

Bleach chapter 393? I remember the wonderweiss kid fighting with one the wizard (Kensei) who released his bankai (chapter 376 -377). What happened to that fight?

[Le_Jardinier]

Here's the photo.

[Hakuto_washi]

This chapter was crappy. First, Hitsugaya didn't die. And why can't he just freeze Aizen in Sennen Hyōrō?

[Saint Seiya]

i guess kensei got his *** kicked :[

[Battler Ushiromiya]

At least squad 1 captain is finally doing something.

[masterichigo94]

all i know is this anime is frikin amazing and no other anime could beat it. not even death note and thats sayin sumthin. they both pwn the competion

[Chuck the Ninja]

Im interested in seeing the Soul Key made. I want to see what Aizen can do again the WHOLE zZero division. These are the BEST captains HAND_PICKED my the soul king to defend him. It's like his personal group of beat sticks.

Also I think Gin is truly the one were over looking. We know nothing of him. To tell the truth I would fear him more then Aizen. All he does is grin, and shot his sword out cutting people in half. He wasted no time in cutting Hiyori down.

Also I was thinking the Vivard would be as strong or STRONGER then the current captains but no. TWO captain level Vivard were seriously injured, and beaten by Starrk. It took a dirty move by Kyoraku to defeat him. Starrk is by far the best character on bleach, and owns them all. But you also have to think about another fact. Ukitake was defeated by ONE blow. That Kid, dont know name, is cold-blooded, and powerful. He hasn;t released his zanpakuto, and already a Captain level vivard has had to release his zanpakuto to fight him. I'm interested in that fight.

Aizen is broken. He's not far. He doesn't lose his cool or even show that he affected by being out numbered. Just watch Ichigo, and company will all be defeated in one move. He'll use his zanpakuto to get all of them while Ichigoi stands there like O.O OMG were owned.

He has yet to know his or Gin's bankai. There all having trouble just fighting them in shikai. Bankai. EVERYONE DIES.

It will be up to Kyoraku, and Yamamoto to finish this fight. But before that can happen Aizen, and Gin will retreat to Hucho Mundo where they will find everyone dead, and the soul reapers gone. That's where Aizen will sya something like.

"Everything went as planned. Gin. Bring them in."

That's when TEN Viste Lordes will walk in and Aizen will grin widely. htat when it goes off, and we wait like Thirty yrs for it to return with another filler.

Wow i was right when I said ichigo would sit back, and watch.

AIZEN IS GOD!!!!!!!

They have no chance of winning. none. and Urahara's Zanpakuto is not for HELPING others. So it must be for killing.

[Battler Ushiromiya]

AIZEN-SAMA!!!!!
Aizen owns all noob, end of debate.
Gin... I remember Aizen saying he always thought of him as HIS second seat no matter what. Just what can ichimaru gin do anyways? I doubt he can ecome hollow like tosen. Aizen said in the end the arrancar thing was a FAILURE. I just dont see Gin becoming anything hollow like. I personaly think he is creepy enough now as it is.
Every time Gin Ichimaru opens his eyes 1000 angels die.
Everytime Aizen smiles god suffers.

[IcePriestess]

AIZEN-SAMA!!!!!
Aizen owns all noob, end of debate.
Gin... I remember Aizen saying he always thought of him as HIS second seat no matter what. Just what can ichimaru gin do anyways? I doubt he can ecome hollow like tosen. Aizen said in the end the arrancar thing was a FAILURE. I just dont see Gin becoming anything hollow like. I personaly think he is creepy enough now as it is.
Every time Gin Ichimaru opens his eyes 1000 angels die.
Everytime Aizen smiles god suffers.

If Gin gets a hollow mask, then he won't be able to see at all. I think it is hard for him to see right now, so hollow mask would turn him blind :D

[Gjallarhorn]

Aizen said that the Arrancar were failures because they were. His goal was to create a perfect 50/50 Shinigami/Hollow combination: the Vaizards were failures because they were still mostly Shinigami, and the Arrancar were failures because they were still mostly Hollow.

[Hakuto_washi]

The naïvety of Aizen never ceases to amaze me.

[Battler Ushiromiya]

Ok, I will admit, the head captain is strong.

[Le_Jardinier]

Ok, I will admit, the head captain is strong.
I totally agree to this statement, he is one though bastard

[Battler Ushiromiya]

Yes but I wounder now that ichigo is no longer pulling a "sakura ( from naruto )" if he will be able to beat Aizen with head captains help, but wait Ichimaru has done nothing too.
Also ichigo iscoming from behind again..... Aizen has a shield there right?
DAMN IT ICHIGO!!!

[IcePriestess]

Actually it would be pretty disappointing if Ichigo would win with Captain Commander's help. I want to see that "Soul Society's King"... ;)

[Gjallarhorn]

Ichigo isn't coming from behind, he's coming at Aizen from above.

Also, he won't kill Aizen this way. lrn2shounen.

[Le_Jardinier]

It would jokes if Gin Ichimaru just shoots his blade through Ichigo's heart Lol ...

[Saint Seiya]

im still waiting for urahara and isshin, i hope they show up

[Battler Ushiromiya]

It would jokes if Gin Ichimaru just shoots his blade through Ichigo's heart Lol ...:yeahthat:

[Le_Jardinier]

All I know is if either Urahara or Isshin don't intervene in the next 2 or 3 chapters, Ichigo's gonna get sliced down like a sausage on a plate by Aizen and Gin no doubt about that.

[Battler Ushiromiya]

I JUST FIGURED OUT THAT AIZEN MADE A BIG MISTAKE!!!!
Squad 4 captain is running around free...... healing I bet.