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Kenbo
04-08-2006, 07:52 AM
Who would win card captures or sailor moon.

.Alumina
04-08-2006, 08:58 AM
id say cardcaptors

Serenith Youkai
04-08-2006, 09:26 AM
Cardcaptors would devinatly win.

bafflequeen
04-08-2006, 09:48 AM
i would definitely have to say the cardcaptor....she has more abilities and more options for attacks

shadow_vixen45
04-08-2006, 03:50 PM
Cardcaptors because it's awesome and princess sakura is in tsubasa!!!

DarkShadow60
04-13-2006, 06:33 PM
Cardcaptures beat sailormoon every time.

Souhi
04-13-2006, 06:38 PM
Hasn't this thread already been done? Well anywho, Cardcaptors would win. Sakura beats Sailor Scouts everytime. Then again, I've never really watched Sailor Moon...

Sailor Chibimoon
04-13-2006, 10:38 PM
You all are wrong. I WOULD WIN! HAHAHA!!! xD j/k No, but I seriously think Sailormoon would win (not because I'm a Sailormoon fan) but because she has the silver crystal and she's got so many power up-grades and stuff.

DarkShadow60
04-14-2006, 01:42 PM
please theres no way in the world sailormoon would win even with that crystal cause I'd be helping my dark powers would send sailormoon to the realm of darkness not even she could escape there.

Ωmega
04-14-2006, 01:47 PM
please theres no way in the world sailormoon would win even with that crystal cause I'd be helping my dark powers would send sailormoon to the realm of darkness not even she could escape there.Ok, you have nothing to do with this battle, its Sailor Moon and Sakura.
Of course Sailor Moon would win, because Sakura is a child. Not to mention Usagi has pulled soem pretty impressive moves in her time

Chaos_Hell_Angel
04-14-2006, 01:53 PM
I would have to go with Card Captures!

Kishiro
04-14-2006, 01:53 PM
Even though I find this thread to be kind of, well, lame.

I'm throwing in my two cents.

Sailor Moon/Usagi would definitely beat Card Captor Sakura. Before she could even summon a card, she could and would be hit hit a tiara, a wand, a ceptor, and be blasted by the power of the crystal in general.

Summoning monsters doesn't mean crap when you are fighting someone who takes out monsters for a living, and then that took out someone that created all those monsters.

Honestly. Put fanism aside, and look for who has the better advantage and skills.

Ωmega
04-14-2006, 01:54 PM
I would have to go with Card Captures!
Ok, but WHY????

Lunamaria
04-14-2006, 06:24 PM
Who would win card captures or sailor moon.
I believe you spell it "Cardcaptors" not "Card captures."

Anyways, I don't really like Sailor Moon and I love CCS. But because Sailor Moon is older and much stronger than Sakura, Sailor Moon would win. True, true, Sailor Moon would blast Sakura before she could call a card.

Janethan23
04-15-2006, 12:36 AM
http://www.animeforum.com/uploads/qwfagda.jpg
Kiddie posters don't know anything about Sailor Moon and here they are underestimating Usagi and Co. How can a single child from Card Captor Sakura take on a dozen characters? Even on a one on one basis it’s farfetched to see Sakura Kinomoto beat Usagi Tsukino. Summoning monsters and invoking spells by using charms takes time so before Sakura Kinomoto can finish anything she'll be taken out by a number of moves Sailor Moon has that need no ceremonies. Even though Sakura gets to summon even one monster so what? Sailor Moon has battled monsters on a regular basis before. If you ask me Chibiusa (Chibimoon) is probably an equal match for her but Chibimmon will probably kick her butt too.
http://www.animeforum.com/uploads/ester_dark1024.jpg

DarkShadow60
04-15-2006, 03:30 PM
uh your leaving out Sakura's allies some of whom can bring a fight to the table, so don't even start with that allie crap. besides this is between Sakura and Sailormoon allies aren't apart of this. I'm sure you where just stating a fact, but the fact remains its between Sakura and Sailormoon.

Srien
04-15-2006, 03:37 PM
Card Captures. Not to be mean but Sailor Moon is kinda a chick flick to me.

Avore
04-15-2006, 04:50 PM
I'd have to say Cardcaptors.

Sailor Chibimoon
04-15-2006, 07:15 PM
Even though I find this thread to be kind of, well, lame.

I'm throwing in my two cents.

Sailor Moon/Usagi would definitely beat Card Captor Sakura. Before she could even summon a card, she could and would be hit hit a tiara, a wand, a ceptor, and be blasted by the power of the crystal in general.

Summoning monsters doesn't mean crap when you are fighting someone who takes out monsters for a living, and then that took out someone that created all those monsters.

Honestly. Put fanism aside, and look for who has the better advantage and skills.


I totally agree. When would Sakura use a card? When Usagi is attacking her? xD Think people, THINK! O_o;

Kishiro
04-15-2006, 11:51 PM
I totally agree. When would Sakura use a card? When Usagi is attacking her? xD Think people, THINK! O_o;No disrespect intended either! I mean, to most people, this should be a no brainer... But then you get posts like....


Card Captures. Not to be mean but Sailor Moon is kinda a chick flick to me.
Where people can't even get the name of the show right, and then generalize one anime in a biased manner, and fail to do the same for another.
I'll admit, Sailor Moon was probably directed more towards girls in the USA, but hey, I still watched it when it came on a 6 in the morning before school when I was a wee lad. And then when Cartoon Network bought it, I watched it then too. I've also seen two of the movies.
I also watched Card Captors after school and on Saturday mornings when I was growing up, and you are trying to tell me that CCS isn't a "chick flick"? It was just as much directed towards girls in the USA as SM was.

Janethan23
04-16-2006, 01:19 AM
uh your leaving out Sakura's allies some of whom can bring a fight to the table, so don't even start with that allie crap. besides this is between Sakura and Sailormoon allies aren't apart of this. I'm sure you where just stating a fact, but the fact remains its between Sakura and Sailormoon.You know, this is where misunderstandings start.
I did answer the question if they were to go at it one on one and I also stated why CCS won't win against SM. So please read my post again and don't focus your reply on a couple of paragraphs rather the entire message for better understanding.

DarkShadow60
04-16-2006, 08:47 PM
sailormoon is to much of baby, sakura has more guts if you ask me, and I don't think sailormoon would attack sakura knowing sailormoon she'd won't want to fight. think about that.

Janethan23
04-17-2006, 12:04 AM
sailormoon is to much of baby, sakura has more guts if you ask me, and I don't think sailormoon would attack sakura knowing sailormoon she'd won't want to fight. think about that.This is where you're wrong girl
I have a complete set off CCS and SM on DVD and I like them both meaning through comparison I can say the battle will go to Sailor Moon. Usagi Tsukino will not flinch nor hesitate on attacking Sakura Kinomoto first. I've seen dozens of episodes wherein SM needed to attack friends and family members so Sakura is toast before she can utter a word or do any gestures to summon anything.

A Wildflower
04-17-2006, 12:15 AM
This is where you're wrong girl
I have a complete set off CCS and SM on DVD and I like them both meaning through comparison I can say the battle will go to Sailor Moon. Usagi Tsukino will not flinch nor hesitate on attacking Sakura Kinomoto first. I've seen dozens of episodes wherein SM needed to attack friends and family members so Sakura is toast before she can utter a word or do any gestures to summon anything.
I completely agree with Janethan.

DarkShadow60
04-17-2006, 01:49 PM
hold on, Janethan if you called me a girl I'm not, I'm a boy and second yes I think sailormoon would never attack sakura. I've seen how sailormoon gets and this would be no different. thats one reason why sakura would win.

Dark Donye
04-17-2006, 02:24 PM
No disrespect intended either! I mean, to most people, this should be a no brainer... But then you get posts like....


Where people can't even get the name of the show right, and then generalize one anime in a biased manner, and fail to do the same for another.
I'll admit, Sailor Moon was probably directed more towards girls in the USA, but hey, I still watched it when it came on a 6 in the morning before school when I was a wee lad. And then when Cartoon Network bought it, I watched it then too. I've also seen two of the movies.
I also watched Card Captors after school and on Saturday mornings when I was growing up, and you are trying to tell me that CCS isn't a "chick flick"? It was just as much directed towards girls in the USA as SM was.Yeah. I like them to. But I still perfer Card Captures.

skater2791
04-17-2006, 02:28 PM
ok i belive that sakura would win.....u see, after every monster she catches her summoning skills increase in speed....soon she will be able to summon a monster in a flash

Janethan23
04-17-2006, 02:31 PM
I think sailormoon would never attack sakura. I've seen how sailormoon gets and this would be no different. thats one reason why sakura would win.You're unclear on this one and you've been repeating it. Elaborate on how she "gets" and maybe I might see your point.


ok i belive that sakura would win.....u see, after every monster she catches her summoning skills increase in speed....soon she will be able to summon a monster in a flashNow this is wishful thinking
I've seen the ending of CCS and the movies as well and she still summons like before with all the spectacle and ceremony of a magical girl anime should appear. It never happened even though you had the impression it did.

Misaki_San
04-19-2006, 10:41 AM
I would have to go with Card Captors. Sakura has more card options. Different kinds of attacks unlike Sailor Moon. Yeah, Sailor Moon might have the Silver Crystal still that's like one attack and Sailor Moon's dead. So if Sailor Moon misses she's gonna die with no win.

Sadie
04-19-2006, 11:31 AM
Is sailor moon fighting with or without the sailor scouts?

DarkShadow60
04-19-2006, 04:05 PM
its one-one, so no scouts.

Sadie
04-19-2006, 04:12 PM
ah but could she use the power of the scouts like they arent there and what not but they are there in spirit. I think she did that when she faught queen Barrel it was kinda a cop out ending... "suddenly she has the power of 5" mhmm likely.

iam a sailor moon fan but i'll give this battle to the card girl sailormoon is nothing without the scouts.

DarkShadow60
04-19-2006, 04:19 PM
I hate sailormoon with very fiber of my body but I've seen sailormoon fight well without the scouts. course I still hate sailormoon *sink into a dark portal*.

clowsakura
04-20-2006, 01:00 AM
http://www.animeforum.com/uploads/qwfagda.jpg
Kiddie posters don't know anything about Sailor Moon and here they are underestimating Usagi and Co. How can a single child from Card Captor Sakura take on a dozen characters? Even on a one on one basis it’s farfetched to see Sakura Kinomoto beat Usagi Tsukino. Summoning monsters and invoking spells by using charms takes time so before Sakura Kinomoto can finish anything she'll be taken out by a number of moves Sailor Moon has that need no ceremonies. Even though Sakura gets to summon even one monster so what? Sailor Moon has battled monsters on a regular basis before. If you ask me Chibiusa (Chibimoon) is probably an equal match for her but Chibimmon will probably kick her butt too.
http://www.animeforum.com/uploads/ester_dark1024.jpg


Well as a Cardcaptor Sakura fan, I'd say Sakura. If you have any objections, Sakura has everything! She can stop time, reverse time if she made somthing wrong and lots more. I'm just starting!:awe:

DarkShadow60
04-20-2006, 06:00 PM
please go on.

SetoKaiba
04-20-2006, 07:58 PM
I would have to go with Card Captors, Sakura not only has the Cards but she also has Li, Kero and Yue and although Sailor Moon has her friends as well Sakura's three allies could buy her enough time to use the Time Card which from there she could continue on to using others.

Sailor Lunar Eclipse
04-29-2006, 04:52 PM
i would have to say that this is a hard decision for me... I like them both... so I think i'm going to say that it would end up as a tie or they would wear each other out before they could come close to winning... please don't get mad at me for saying this. It is my opinion though.

Bibi of the Blue Sea
04-29-2006, 05:08 PM
why would sakura even battle with sailor moon?
is she going to try and take the cards??

Theres really no reason for the two to even battle.


This thread wasn't needed...

Starcrest
04-29-2006, 07:53 PM
sure it is, to compare two different styles of combat, summoning and...what ever it is Sailor Moon does (i know a lil bit bout it...). but imo, Sakura would win IF she was faster, so really it depends on who's the faster, because if Sakura gets a chance to summon a defensive card, how's Sailor Moon gonna land any of her attacks on her? But if she's to slow, then Sailor Moon wins. so i side with Sakura on the basis she'd win IF she's faster

miaka yuki
04-29-2006, 09:40 PM
:banana: sakura! i like sakura she's cute and the characters are cute too esp. Lee

~*~Zakuro~*~
04-29-2006, 09:46 PM
Well, I think Sakura would win, but Sailor Moon is pretty strong...so it's pretty hard to choose who'd win...

_allismine_
04-30-2006, 12:08 AM
Hm....Sakura's got Kero, Yue, and 54 magical cards...Sailor Moon's got 8 (?) partners and magic powers....
Gotta go with Sakura on this one.

Kagome sama08
04-30-2006, 09:58 AM
Allismine is right...So many cards....but who knows? They could be evenly matched.*looks at Allismine* how is it that we always end up in the same threads?!

_allismine_
04-30-2006, 08:46 PM
Allismine is right...So many cards....but who knows? They could be evenly matched.*looks at Allismine* how is it that we always end up in the same threads?!I've got no idea. ^^
Sakura can summon elements, monsters, control time, and fly. The Sailor Scouts can shoot beams of rainbow and love at people. To me, The SS are just a teenaged version of The Care Bears.
No offence.

Card Captor Sakura would pwn.

DarkShadow60
05-01-2006, 03:49 PM
well it looks like Card Captor Sakura is getting the bigger amount of votes in this thread, but I much as I hate to say it there might be a few die-hard sailormoon fans who have yet to throw their two cents in on all this, and change everything even though Sakura would still win if she fought sailormoon.

Yukari
05-01-2006, 06:01 PM
I would have to say Sakura

Kishiro
05-01-2006, 09:10 PM
Its not based on votes. FYI.

-_-

DarkShadow60
05-03-2006, 12:18 AM
do I look like I care noooooo.

snoop dogg
05-03-2006, 04:31 PM
none because they suck ***

DarkShadow60
05-03-2006, 07:03 PM
and now we have the hater big woop right there.

SetoKaiba
05-03-2006, 08:34 PM
none because they suck ***If you don't have anything to add to a thread then don't post, simple as that.

Kagome sama08
05-03-2006, 08:48 PM
I've got no idea. ^^
Sakura can summon elements, monsters, control time, and fly. The Sailor Scouts can shoot beams of rainbow and love at people. To me, The SS are just a teenaged version of The Care Bears.
No offence.

Card Captor Sakura would pwn.I have to agree completely.

Sephiroth-sama
05-04-2006, 08:54 AM
I'm not to into these kinds of animes, but I'll still choose, I'll have to go with Cardcaptors as being thr best, I just can't stand Sailor Moon, and as _allismine_ said, the Sailor Scouts, are just teenaged version of The Care Bears.

Sailor Chibimoon
05-04-2006, 12:16 PM
Cardcaptors because it's awesome and princess sakura is in tsubasa!!!

That doesn't explain why you think it would beat it. o_O;

Sailor Chibimoon
05-04-2006, 12:18 PM
As for me, I'd have to say probably Sailormoon, because she has all of those different henshin's and powerups. And there's also Sailor Saturn hehe who defeats anything. xD

Bibi of the Blue Sea
05-04-2006, 12:27 PM
52. i thought there were 52 cards not 54.
either way, i still think this is an odd question. sailormoon vs. sakura? come on people!! leave the magical girls out of these silly versus threads!!

btw sailor pluto can also control time and i'd say that sakura's cards are all matched up with the scouts.

dont judge based off the eng-dubbed animes (both suck), base your opinions off the mangas (which are so much better) or the japanese versions of the animes.

dawnrune
05-04-2006, 06:28 PM
lol funny. but it depends on who is fighting and how many. i mean if all salior scouts are fighting then sakura has no chance even with the cards. now then if its salior moon vs. sakura. sakura would win no matter what. also if if salior pluto has time so does sakura too. she has the time card.:rollt:

Akara
05-04-2006, 07:07 PM
This is simple, I'll have to go with Card Captors Sakura, I can say anything like, 'Oh my god, Cardcaptors rocks!' in school, without being looked at funny. But if you went into school saying, SS rocks... then you'd probably get laughed at all the time, well theres only one reason, the other, is just I find their annoying, and I don't like, nor get the whole point of the girlish anime, so, yeah. I'll have to agree with _allismine_ and Sephiroth, on what they said, the Sailor Scouts, are just teenaged version of The Care Bears.

_allismine_
05-05-2006, 12:30 AM
52. i thought there were 52 cards not 54. In the final CCS episode, the 'Love Card' was created. And in the second movie, the 'Love Card' was used to capture the 'Void Card'. Or something along those names...Yeah, but Sakura has Shield, and nothing but Sword Card can break it. And if she loses, she can use the Return Card to go back to the past and change it.
Not totally sure what kind of time power Sailor Pluto has, I haven't watched it that far.

Chibi Shinobi Mikase
05-06-2006, 08:31 AM
Cardcaptors all the way!

Fullmoon_light9264
05-06-2006, 12:44 PM
Sakura would so win i mean she has the Clow Cards that can blow Sailor Moon away. I love Sakura from Cardcaptors

~kawaii~cherry~
05-09-2006, 12:19 AM
Cardcaptor Sakura and Sailor Moon are both so awesome...but when it comes down to it all I have to say Sakura. If they were to battle.. O_o; umm I dunno. I guess Sailor Moon's got all those attacks, but Sakura's got all her cards...their both pretty klutzy XD; um I still have to say Sakura ^___^

Arika Akiyu
05-10-2006, 09:38 PM
I think Sakura would win ONLY because she's just so cute, that the Sailor Scouts wouldn't wanna hurt her... ^.^

DarkShadow60
05-15-2006, 06:06 PM
and there you have it. thats why sakura would beat sailormoon every time.

Naru Lover
05-17-2006, 04:05 PM
i like sailor moon causeat leat id be fantasizing about older women....

Mr. blue-reddragoon
05-17-2006, 05:08 PM
cardcapture

IloveInuYasha!
05-18-2006, 12:13 AM
I agree with Arika Akiyu! sailormoon and the scouts wouldn`t have the guts to attack such a cute kid!

-Kairi-
05-18-2006, 01:17 AM
I would pick cardcapters.

The Pro Bum (and CCS fan)
05-18-2006, 05:47 AM
actually, for me, neither. the english version of ccs had deleted scenes and the theme songs of Cardcaptors don't give out the actual theme. CardCaptors was actually one of the reasons why CCS's popularity plummeted. so yeah.. :)

LINK the swordsman
05-18-2006, 09:19 AM
salior moom but i really don't like neither

Sweet_
05-23-2006, 04:15 AM
These vs threads are so hard to choose from I say both but Sailor Moon has more power then Sakura she's dead aginst them!but I like them both.

heartless~angel
05-24-2006, 12:15 PM
I personally would say sailor moon, cos if you think about it she has the whole senshi to help her ... who does sakura have? some summons and a girl with a camcorder hmmmm big comparison ... and i watch sailor moon more than cardcaptors so i prefer it lol

ask
05-25-2006, 12:21 PM
Cardcaptors?????

onigiri princess
05-25-2006, 12:29 PM
um honestly i think ccs would defintley win, tho i still like sailor moon oh well stil two greate animes

onigiri princess
05-25-2006, 12:31 PM
um honestly i think ccs would defintley win, tho i still like sailor moon oh well stil two greate animes

kiakun
05-25-2006, 02:00 PM
I personally would say sailor moon, cos if you think about it she has the whole senshi to help her ... who does sakura have? some summons and a girl with a camcorder hmmmm big comparison ... and i watch sailor moon more than cardcaptors so i prefer it lolyou forgot to mention kero-chan, and syaoran li could also help sakura in the battle and my choice is cardcartors

SetoKaiba
05-26-2006, 01:00 AM
you forgot to mention kero-chan, and syaoran li could also help sakura in the battle and my choice is cardcartorsYue could also help her which is part of the reason I think she could defeat Sailor Moon

March
05-26-2006, 05:11 AM
Sailor Moon is stronger and she would hurt Sakura B.A.D! :rolleyes:

Maya Miyazono
05-26-2006, 06:00 AM
Sailor moon has fought worst then any human, same for Sakura.

The big difference, Sailor moon has been doing it longer with stronger monsters~

Sagat
05-26-2006, 06:20 AM
If Usagi can defeat a giant amorphic black mass of evil energy from the sun, a demonic entity that has a floating skull under its hood, a giant crazy looking eye thing from another system and a sailor soldier who is known as a legend around the galaxy for her power, then someone please explain to me how these cardcaptor jerks are going to beat her

halcyon23
05-27-2006, 07:12 AM
i think sailormoon would win

night_inuyasha
05-30-2006, 12:33 AM
ccs will win all the way :)

Kari Yagami
05-30-2006, 02:31 AM
Yeh!! CCS could Beat Serena anyday with 52 cards.

Dark_Ryle
05-30-2006, 03:45 AM
Definetely, I'd say Sailor Moon would defeat and hurt Sakura badly! Same goes with the other characters from both series. All reasons were already pointed out by other members in the recent posts here in this thread.

MistaCloudStrife
06-01-2006, 01:43 AM
Alright....

I believe the basis on ALOT of people's opinions here are that they haven't seen ALL of each anime.

And I'm one of those people. ^_~ hah.

So I'm going to biasedly side with Card Captor Sakura on this. Hopefully my one sided opinions on this anime will be good enough to hold up in this thread.

Lets start with the list of cards...

1. The Fly
2. The Windy
3. The Shadow
4. The Watery
5. The Wood
6. The Rain
7. The Jump
8. The Illusion
9. The Silent
10. The Thunder
11. The Sword
12. The Flower
13. The Shield
14. The Time
15. The Power
16. The Mist
17. The Float
18. The Storm
19. The Erase
20. The Glow
21. The Move
22. The Fight
23. The Loop
24. The Sleep
25. The Song
26. The Little
27. The Mirror
28. The Maze
29. The Return
30. The Shot
31. The Sweet
32. The Dash
33. The Create
34. The Big
35. The Change
36. The Freeze
37. The Firey
38. The Snow
39. The Voice
40. The Lock
41. The Cloud
42. The Dream
43. The Sand
44. The Light
45. The Dark
46. The Twin
47. The Earthy
48. The Bubbles
49. The Wave
50. The Libra
51. The Through
52. The Arrow
53. The Hope

Reading this entire list should already sway the Sailor Moon supporters.

If not then lets go through a few details. Some people have said that it would take forever for Sakura to use a card and change her wand and such, but lets look at almost EVERY episode of Sailor Moon... She chants this whole crap about supporting love and crap while she transforms from one school uniform to another. This takes up quite a bit of time as well.

And lets take a look at what exactly they have to offer "fight-wise"...

A throwing boomerang tiara... A moon stick... Lipstick... And uhh... Thats all I can really think of...

NOW lets look back at Sakura's list... Yeah, up there. Hm... Quite a large list if I say so myself... Now lets not limit the list to that. Remember Sakura can also combine the cards. She can turn into a gaint and use fight to kick a tiny Serena's butt, she can use both shield and sword for an obvious offensive/defensive advantage, or she can even have Serena fall asleep and use the shot to blast her brains out of her skull.

And if you're still not convinced there's always the return card. Sakura can just go back in time and kill Serena as a baby. All too easy.

_allismine_
06-01-2006, 03:34 AM
And lets take a look at what exactly they have to offer "fight-wise"...

A throwing boomerang tiara... A moon stick... Lipstick... And uhh... Thats all I can really think of...

NOW lets look back at Sakura's list... Yeah, up there. Hm... Quite a large list if I say so myself... Now lets not limit the list to that. Remember Sakura can also combine the cards. She can turn into a gaint and use fight to kick a tiny Serena's butt, she can use both shield and sword for an obvious offensive/defensive advantage, or she can even have Serena fall asleep and use the shot to blast her brains out of her skull.

And if you're still not convinced there's always the return card. Sakura can just go back in time and kill Serena as a baby. All too easy.Sounds a bit dark for CCS, but I have to agree with you. Like I said, Sakura would pwn Sailor Moon easily.

Fallen the Redwolf
06-01-2006, 09:52 AM
Sailor Moon is great! I look like it. ^.^

Knuffle Bunny
06-01-2006, 10:38 AM
I'd have to say sakura.
She has more options for attacks, and all sailormoon can cast is flower power. (literally) And sakura costumes look cooler anyway. ^^;;

anime_Geek
06-04-2006, 02:49 AM
I like Sailor Moon alot but sakura has more choices of attackes and has cute outfits and I like the anime better so yeh! Sakura wins! ^.^

~*May Fan*~
06-09-2006, 12:26 PM
Card Captors would win with all of her cards!

Mamushi
06-10-2006, 07:53 AM
Cardcaptors are better!

animeangellover
06-13-2006, 04:31 PM
sailor moon hands down

DarkShadow60
06-13-2006, 05:26 PM
sakura no doubt 'nough said.

Warrior5thelement
06-13-2006, 06:17 PM
Cardcaptors i like better

Mink
06-13-2006, 06:29 PM
Sailor Moon, because she is older, more powerful, more experienced, and has more moves.

*Yukina-Chan*
06-13-2006, 07:48 PM
ccs!!! cuz she has more attacks than that stupid moon girl..blondes always get more votes if you think just cuz salior freak has fought longer doesn't means she's got the advanage..sakura has all of 51 cards to choose from and not a little crown to throw at people..

Crystal_Gardevoir
06-13-2006, 08:33 PM
Cardcaptor Sakura would win because of the many diversity of cards she can unleash on Serena. Sorry but Serena has severe limitations...;)

Kinzen-Haato
06-13-2006, 09:27 PM
I used to read SM manga a LONG time ago! :D and I've read some CCS manga too. Both are very strong and determined characters with kick-butt fighting techniques but I'd have to say SM cause she's got three cats, Tuxedo Mask and all of her team to back her up! :)

Rabbit Demon
06-14-2006, 05:02 AM
Card Captor Sakura would win anyday with her cards and kawaii parteners I also love the other anime.

Ayana
06-14-2006, 05:49 AM
Hmm... I think Sakura would win. Sailor Moon is stronger - yes, but Sakura has more options and she would use them all against SM.

Sakaki Takano
06-14-2006, 05:55 AM
CardCaptors becuase Sakura-chan has more options in attacking

Janethan23
06-14-2006, 02:44 PM
It all comes down to specialization. Sure a person with lots of moves is an intimidating opponent but having too many moves means having to choose from them in different situations all the time has it’s drawbacks. Have you ever played a role-playing game wherein you have to learn many moves and distribute points or level-up them up individually to make them stronger? Do the math: take 50 points or even 500 points and distribute them to moves you want to specialize in. Do you think you can raise them to the highest level if you have let’s say 5 choices compared to 50+ choices to distribute the points? Try it on a piece of paper and you’ll see whose moves get maxed out multiple times first.

My point here is that many say CCS has an advantage because of her multiple card tricks but I think that’s all rubbish because they maybe many and intimidating but not as lethal or potent as you think compared to SM’s moves that are not that numerous yet more practiced and sharpened to the point of perfection.

And stop reasoning about CCS using a card to travel back in time just to kill an opponent like SM is purely ridiculous and highly unlikely because in the first place they are one the same side to battle evil and for them to battle to the death is stupid. The only reason they would battle is surely just for fun or for sparring purposes.

Sailormoon will win this matchup because of specialization.

*Yukina-Chan*
06-14-2006, 02:54 PM
Sailormoon will LOSE this matchup because of specialization.

Janethan23
06-14-2006, 03:40 PM
Sailormoon will LOSE this matchup because of specialization.Very informative indeed...
It's like talking to a child repeating itself regardless of how much you reason with it. It even copies and mimics other people’s replies to make a point http://www.animegalleries.net/bbs/images/smilies/dry.gif
If you want to be understood or be heard you got to give us something more than just an echo.

*Yukina-Chan*
06-14-2006, 04:35 PM
ccs should win..i mean sure salior chick has her powers but mutiple cards means multiple attack advanages..sakura would turn your little salior girl into a pile of stars in a second...:laugh:

Yu Yu Master
06-14-2006, 04:40 PM
Although I despise both shows I would choose the one that is called Card captor Sakura.

*Yukina-Chan*
06-14-2006, 04:47 PM
Although I despise both shows I would choose the one that is called Card captor Sakura.my hero!! *kisses*

EvanJester
06-14-2006, 05:38 PM
I say sailor moon because the sailor shensi could easily use there combined elements to counter the clow cards

Miss Electric Moonlight
06-14-2006, 06:00 PM
sailormoon, of course.

*Yukina-Chan*
06-14-2006, 09:21 PM
I say sailor moon because the sailor shensi could easily use there combined elements to counter the clow cardsyou think little hearts can beat the elements of the clow? that's sad...http://www.animegalleries.net/bbs/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://www.animegalleries.net/bbs/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Miss Electric Moonlight
06-14-2006, 10:42 PM
The senshi's powers could blow away whatever powers 'the clow' has ..

especially since their powers come from cards, right? it would be like fighting against yugioh .. lmao.

MistaCloudStrife
06-14-2006, 11:28 PM
It all comes down to specialization. Sure a person with lots of moves is an intimidating opponent but having too many moves means having to choose from them in different situations all the time has it’s drawbacks. Have you ever played a role-playing game wherein you have to learn many moves and distribute points or level-up them up individually to make them stronger? Do the math: take 50 points or even 500 points and distribute them to moves you want to specialize in. Do you think you can raise them to the highest level if you have let’s say 5 choices compared to 50+ choices to distribute the points? Try it on a piece of paper and you’ll see whose moves get maxed out multiple times first.

My point here is that many say CCS has an advantage because of her multiple card tricks but I think that’s all rubbish because they maybe many and intimidating but not as lethal or potent as you think compared to SM’s moves that are not that numerous yet more practiced and sharpened to the point of perfection.

And stop reasoning about CCS using a card to travel back in time just to kill an opponent like SM is purely ridiculous and highly unlikely because in the first place they are one the same side to battle evil and for them to battle to the death is stupid. The only reason they would battle is surely just for fun or for sparring purposes.

Sailormoon will win this matchup because of specialization.See... what you're doing here is changing the type of battle to suit the side you want to win. You're basically saying Sakura can't go back in time and kill Serena because it would be an unfair fight. But that's the thing... Sakura CAN go back in time to kill her. This ability alone can win it for Sakura... Just because you don't think it would happen doesn't change the fact that it's a possiblity and that possibility makes Sakura stronger than Serena. And another thing is you're changing the fight into an RPG battle. Because Sakura has more moves this means all of her moves are weak. Well in fact the Sakura and Clow cards are divided into different levels. The weaker ones like Flower and Sugar won't do much in battle but you have more advanced cards that were MADE to fight like the element cards, the shot and such. And then you have special cards that can support you in battle in a tactical sense such as the Time, Mirror, and Illusion...

And you also have to think... The cards are only as strong as it's user. The cards themselves don't have a limit to thier magic. The magic in the cards are limited to the user. Sakura at the end of the series is fairly strong. And it's almost certain she can defeat Serena... I've only listed a few ways she could do it.

And you also have to remember that Serena uses the power of the moon(From what I remember)... The cards are either under the moon or sun... And Sakura uses the power of the stars. Now lets see...

The moon vs the moon, sun and stars...

Hmmm... Now what's the obvious answer to this one?

Shadow Phoenix
06-14-2006, 11:30 PM
Salior Moon is the best hands down, Card captors aint go nothing on them.

Janethan23
06-15-2006, 05:48 AM
It's a pity Sailormoon was shown first and became a classic long before Card captors because in my observation what's in today is usually the one people are in favor of. This one good reason why I buy my collections at least 6 months or a year after the final episode is shown because getting caught up in the hype of how cool an anime or character is just to generate sales. Honestly I don't have any episodes of Naruto or Gundam seed at this time in my collection because I buy my anime when the hype has faded and shifted to another new big hit. Majority of you most probably never followed Sailormoon to give an unbiased opinion. Well I have both series and I’m not caught up in whatever euphoria or hangover Card Captors generated. If Card Captors were the one shown years before and Sailormoon is the in thing then everybody would be saying everything in reverse IMHO. Too bad Sailormoon came first to be your floor matt of comparison. Usagi Tsukino is not that weak to be passed over by bandwagon fans.

http://www.animeforum.com/uploads/CCS1.jpg http://www.animeforum.com/uploads/utriang.jpg
I have the complete set of CCS and I know what I'm saying when I say SM is way better in fighting.

Ashram
06-15-2006, 05:56 AM
Fpr me, it's a hard decision, but I like sailor moon more,So it bests CardCaptors in my opinion, I like CardCaptors too..i just didn't watch it much.

Sacred Sasuke
06-15-2006, 08:49 AM
Sailor Moon !!!

*Yukina-Chan*
06-15-2006, 12:37 PM
yeah okay card win and saliors don't end of fight...

Miss Electric Moonlight
06-15-2006, 01:31 PM
pikachu, I choose you!

I could put the tags in size 59 red blinking text, but I doubt it would matter.

*Yukina-Chan*
06-15-2006, 03:30 PM
pikachu, I choose you!ninetales, i choose you!

MistaCloudStrife
06-15-2006, 04:33 PM
It's a pity Sailormoon was shown first and became a classic long before Card captors because in my observation what's in today is usually the one people are in favor of. This one good reason why I buy my collections at least 6 months or a year after the final episode is shown because getting caught up in the hype of how cool an anime or character is just to generate sales. Honestly I don't have any episodes of Naruto or Gundam seed at this time in my collection because I buy my anime when the hype has faded and shifted to another new big hit. Majority of you most probably never followed Sailormoon to give an unbiased opinion. Well I have both series and I’m not caught up in whatever euphoria or hangover Card Captors generated. If Card Captors were the one shown years before and Sailormoon is the in thing then everybody would be saying everything in reverse IMHO. Too bad Sailormoon came first to be your floor matt of comparison. Usagi Tsukino is not that weak to be passed over by bandwagon fans.

http://www.animeforum.com/uploads/CCS1.jpg http://www.animeforum.com/uploads/utriang.jpg
I have the complete set of CCS and I know what I'm saying when I say SM is way better in fighting.
Haha... Well read all of these posts. Compare CCS supporters and Sailor Moon supporters. Who ACTUALLY give evidence that provide some sort of defense for thier character? I see almost no Silor Moon evidence. EVEN IN YOUR POST. So be quiet, or start debating. Don't go on a rant about how just because CCS came out after Sailor Moon, everyone is giving an unfair vote towards CCS. And your logic about watching an anime years arfter it's release. HAH! I think that's idiotic. As for me, I watch different animes at different times. I've Watched Naruto, Bleach, Monster, Ichigo 100%, GTO, Hellsing, Berserk, Hajime no Ippo, Fate/Stay Night, Initial D blah blah blah, the list goes on and on... All of the animes I've watched I've never really cared about when I watch them... Sometimes I watch them right when they come out and sometimes it takes me a while to get to them... I think Berserk took me a year before I watched it all... Fruits Basket took me a year, Gundam Wing took me several years... IT DOESN'T really matter about when you watch them... IMO to you, watching them when the hype fades makes you more of an individual... You think "Oh, I'm so unique, the hype isn't there so I'm watching this anime for what it really is." But guess what? All you're doing is watching the same anime that everyone else watched at a different time.

And another thing... CCS came out when? TEN YEARS AGO. Sailor Moon came out a few years before that. WOW. Big difference.

Lastly... Support Sailor Moon. Seriously... "Sailor Moon would win, believe me, I've watched both of them." Is not supporting your arguement.

DarkShadow60
06-15-2006, 04:37 PM
whoa chill out before you blow a fuss.http://www.animegalleries.net/bbs/images/smilies/excl.gif

PigFarts
06-15-2006, 07:07 PM
You see, I may be a "still-true-sailor-moon-fan-after-all-these-years," so don't take my opinion as biased, because I have seen a few episodes of CCS.

Now, Sailor Moon has done SO MUCH crap...I mean, Galaxia was supposed to be the "ultimate sailor senshi" and SM purified/beat her! Also, Sailor Moon has a very strong will to live and she is incredibly brave. In the last season, especially in the manga, she has matured so much!

So, just cause I'm a true fan, Sailor Moon beats CCS.

P.S: BSSM was dubbed numerous times one of the greatest (and possibly greatest) shoujo manga of all time. I love CLAMP, but all hail Naoko-hime!

Nyanko
06-15-2006, 08:02 PM
Ah, Sailor Moon... my first anime and manga. 'Tis become a classic to me now. And although I've seen most of the CCS anime eps and read only the first manga, I chose cardcaptors.

Sailor Moon after awhile just got repetative, while CC seemed to have this... depth to it. Plus, Kero is way better than Luna, Artimes and Diana combined. XD;

Miss Electric Moonlight
06-15-2006, 08:08 PM
"Now, Sailor Moon has done SO MUCH crap...I mean, Galaxia was supposed to be the "ultimate sailor senshi" and SM purified/beat her! Also, Sailor Moon has a very strong will to live and she is incredibly brave. In the last season, especially in the manga, she has matured so much!
"

yes, there's really no contest. This is like comparing superman and mighty mouse.

Yuki_89
06-16-2006, 01:18 AM
Uh, most probably, Sailormoon would win. CCS too.

MistaCloudStrife
06-16-2006, 01:34 AM
"Now, Sailor Moon has done SO MUCH crap...I mean, Galaxia was supposed to be the "ultimate sailor senshi" and SM purified/beat her! Also, Sailor Moon has a very strong will to live and she is incredibly brave. In the last season, especially in the manga, she has matured so much!
"

yes, there's really no contest. This is like comparing superman and mighty mouse.Yeah because you know... EVEN IF Sakura would go back in time to kill baby Serena, Baby Serena would still kick her ***... Right?

[/sarcasm]

Janethan23
06-16-2006, 02:59 AM
Haha... Well read all of these posts. Compare CCS supporters and Sailor Moon supporters. Who ACTUALLY give evidence that provide some sort of defense for thier character? I see almost no Silor Moon evidence. EVEN IN YOUR POST. So be quiet, or start debating. Don't go on a rant about how just because CCS came out after Sailor Moon, everyone is giving an unfair vote towards CCS. And your logic about watching an anime years arfter it's release. HAH! I think that's idiotic. As for me, I watch different animes at different times. I've Watched Naruto, Bleach, Monster, Ichigo 100%, GTO, Hellsing, Berserk, Hajime no Ippo, Fate/Stay Night, Initial D blah blah blah, the list goes on and on... All of the animes I've watched I've never really cared about when I watch them... Sometimes I watch them right when they come out and sometimes it takes me a while to get to them... I think Berserk took me a year before I watched it all... Fruits Basket took me a year, Gundam Wing took me several years... IT DOESN'T really matter about when you watch them... IMO to you, watching them when the hype fades makes you more of an individual... You think "Oh, I'm so unique, the hype isn't there so I'm watching this anime for what it really is." But guess what? All you're doing is watching the same anime that everyone else watched at a different time.

And another thing... CCS came out when? TEN YEARS AGO. Sailor Moon came out a few years before that. WOW. Big difference.

Lastly... Support Sailor Moon. Seriously... "Sailor Moon would win, believe me, I've watched both of them." Is not supporting your arguement.This response is insightful to where you're coming from... because of your bragging and tirades I can see your opinions are from a kid who smooches at the benefits of piracy. Consider yourself ignored by me from now on because you're nothing but a freeloader surfing the net for those stolen anime. Shame on you boy... Keep bragging because the next thing you'll know there won't be an anime for you to steal and share coz collectively all of you hyped feeding bandwagon otakus will kill the industry you so brag about. Not even the combined powers of CCS and SM can beat people like you because piracy will always find a way to maim the industry and lighten whatever life you have. Get a life and eventually a job so you can buy your anime. I’m done talking about CCS v SM to you because anime extremist like yourself make me want to puke because you don’t care whether there is damage done as long you get what you want.

PS
http://www.animeforum.com/uploads/fatnretard.gif
If you’re not a kid then grow up. Nuff said

Dark_Cloud-Xiao
06-16-2006, 03:01 AM
i'd say Cardcaptors. Sailor moon is cool but i like Cardcaptors better

MistaCloudStrife
06-16-2006, 03:14 AM
This response is insightful to where you're coming from... because of your bragging and tirades I can see your opinions are from a kid who smooches at the benefits of piracy. Consider yourself ignored by me from now on because you're nothing but a freeloader surfing the net for those stolen anime. Shame on you boy... Keep bragging because the next thing you'll know there won't be an anime for you to steal and share coz collectively all of you hyped feeding bandwagon otakus will kill the industry you so brag about. Not even the combined powers of CCS and SM can beat people like you because piracy will always find a way to maim the industry and lighten whatever life you have. Get a life and eventually a job so you can buy your anime. I’m done talking about CCS v SM to you because anime extremist like yourself make me want to puke because you don’t care whether there is damage done as long you get what you want.

PS
http://www.animeforum.com/uploads/fatnretard.gif
If you’re not a kid then grow up. Nuff saidHah. Pure idiocy. You wish me BUY an anime that ISN'T OUT OR buy one I wouldn't care to watch again? That would be for insanely rich people... How much is ONE anime DVD here in teh US when it first comes out? It can range from 20-30 bucks for ONE DVD.... Say Naruto comes out for about 150 eps.... 5 eps per DVD... Thats 300$ alone. And it shows no signs of stopping... So this can reach 600 easily....

And even buying most imported DVDs can be considered pirating so don't even bring up those.

If an anime is one of my favorites I'll gladly buy it. I've read the entire manga for Ichigo 100% in scanlations and now the japanese versions are sitting in my room as we speak. Over 300 bucks worth of manga in 19 volumes. 13.95 plus tax each... I DLed Advent Children several times before it came out and now I have two DVDs and one UMD version of it sitting in my room(30 bucks for when they first came out in GameStop), along with several AC merchandise from S-E... The list can go on and on but I'll stop there. Obviously you're too ignorant to understand my logic and you ASSume way too much to think I wouldn't support the mangaka's I like. I know how the system works and I know how to support them in my own way. Don't ASSume I don't because as the saying goes it makes an *** out of you.

~*Chibi_Sasuke*~
06-16-2006, 11:34 AM
Sailor Moon is a nice anime but I think CCS would win because of her cards but then Sakura need time to relese the cards that gives enough time for Serena to attack so it will be a tie but there are much chances for Serena to beat Sakura! and CCS is sooooo kawaii and such a kind person who would hurt a chibi cute Sakura!? ^.^

Miss Electric Moonlight
06-16-2006, 01:05 PM
"Yeah because you know... EVEN IF Sakura would go back in time to kill baby Serena, Baby Serena would still kick her ***... Right?"

yup.

Don't know why sakura would kill a baby, though. Is she a baby killer?

MistaCloudStrife
06-16-2006, 04:55 PM
"Yeah because you know... EVEN IF Sakura would go back in time to kill baby Serena, Baby Serena would still kick her ***... Right?"

yup.

Don't know why sakura would kill a baby, though. Is she a baby killer?Not really... But just THE FACT that she COULD do it makes her stronger than Serena.

Goku could destroy the world, but just because he DOESN'T does that make him any weaker? Noooooo........

Miss Electric Moonlight
06-16-2006, 05:57 PM
The sailor senshi can also go back in time and also into the future. (With the help of chibiusa's time key.)

So not really ;)

MistaCloudStrife
06-16-2006, 09:25 PM
Yeah... and look at the title. Does it say the chibi girl, sailor moon vs cardcaptor Sakura?

No it's a just Sailor Moon vs Sakura. =P

Miss Electric Moonlight
06-16-2006, 09:27 PM
'Yeah... and look at the title. Does it say the chibi girl, sailor moon vs cardcaptor Sakura?

No it's a just Sailor Moon vs Sakura. =P"

yes .. and chibiusa is *from* sailormoon. I didn't know you meant the actual character and not just the series, my bad.

Skeith/Haseo Wave
06-16-2006, 09:35 PM
I'll just say....CardCaptor PWNS!

MistaCloudStrife
06-16-2006, 10:05 PM
'Yeah... and look at the title. Does it say the chibi girl, sailor moon vs cardcaptor Sakura?

No it's a just Sailor Moon vs Sakura. =P"

yes .. and chibiusa is *from* sailormoon. I didn't know you meant the actual character and not just the series, my bad.And plus, if you actually add in all of the CCS characters. Clow would PWN on everybody. It actually wouldn't even be a fair fight since Clow was the one who created the cards and could easily create more cards to suit whatever happens in battle.

So by all means if you want to add your chibiusa character go ahead... I'll just add Clow and it would be a 100% one-sided fight. ^_~

Miss Electric Moonlight
06-16-2006, 10:19 PM
"And plus, if you actually add in all of the CCS characters. Clow would PWN on everybody. It actually wouldn't even be a fair fight since Clow was the one who created the cards and could easily create more cards to suit whatever happens in battle.

So by all means if you want to add your chibiusa character go ahead... I'll just add Clow and it would be a 100% one-sided fight. ^_~"

How many css characters are there? there are 12 sailor senshi + tuxedo kamen & sailor galaxia .. and the sailor senshi have actual, cool powers and don't use silly cards.

Really, cardcaptor sakura belongs against yugioh, not powerful soldiers like the sailor senshi, sorry.

ChildOfClow
06-16-2006, 11:27 PM
I say Cardcaptors beats up salor Moon by a long shot! :) :p

Miss Electric Moonlight
06-16-2006, 11:30 PM
what powers does 'cardcaptor sakura' have? is she powerful?

because eternal sailormoon is very powerful .. she only defeated the strongest evil in the world with only her love and pure determination.

ChildOfClow
06-17-2006, 12:41 AM
what powers does 'cardcaptor sakura' have? is she powerful?

because eternal sailormoon is very powerful .. she only defeated the strongest evil in the world with only her love and pure determination.
she is able to use 53 magical cards with a staff. Basicly it

the_last_icarian
06-17-2006, 12:58 AM
So Cardcaptors. Sailor Moon is too... typical.

-+Dark_hayabusa+-
06-17-2006, 01:23 AM
Cardcaptors! Always Cardcaptors! Sailor Moon is nothing to them! Haha....

MistaCloudStrife
06-17-2006, 08:17 AM
"And plus, if you actually add in all of the CCS characters. Clow would PWN on everybody. It actually wouldn't even be a fair fight since Clow was the one who created the cards and could easily create more cards to suit whatever happens in battle.

So by all means if you want to add your chibiusa character go ahead... I'll just add Clow and it would be a 100% one-sided fight. ^_~"

How many css characters are there? there are 12 sailor senshi + tuxedo kamen & sailor galaxia .. and the sailor senshi have actual, cool powers and don't use silly cards.

Really, cardcaptor sakura belongs against yugioh, not powerful soldiers like the sailor senshi, sorry.The cards represent Clow's actual magic. Clow himself could use magic without the use of the cards. He can CREATE new cards just from his imagination and use them in battle. Seriously, numbers don't matter in a fight. If one person is stronger than everyone it really doesn't matter if you have 12 or 12,000 people up against him...


what powers does 'cardcaptor sakura' have? is she powerful?

because eternal sailormoon is very powerful .. she only defeated the strongest evil in the world with only her love and pure determination.Sakura created the other half of "The Hope".. The strongest card out of all 51 cards... In fact it's strength is equivalent to the other 50 cards. Soo.... Although she's not as strong as Clow, she can hold up properly in battle.

Now tell me this? What has Sailormoon done that can actually show her strength? She obviously isn't physically strong... She'd have to be a strong magic user. But what can her powers do other than cleanse? Because she can't use powers of good against good obviously.

'OMG she's cleansing me! I don't feel a thing.... Oh duh... I'm not evil. =P'

Sakura has so much magic it's not even funny. Name one generic superpower and she more than likely has it.

Throw fire? She has it...
Freeze stuff? Yep
Run super fast? Of course...
Fly!?! Mhhmmm.

Besides fly... Can Sailor Moon manipulate fire, freeze things and run really fast? Can she turn large, create an illusion, maze, go into the past, or create a strorm out of nowhere?

Noo... Now Sakura can do this and MORE. This is a teeny tiny sample of what she can do. An also remember she can mix cards as well... So just because she has 51 cars doesn't mean she's limited to only 51 types of magic. =P

Now what can Sailor Moon do. Seriously, I want to know... Not just she can defeat a super powerful person. What can she DO. Whats her power? What's the attck called? How does it work? Tell me this.

ChildOfClow
06-17-2006, 08:41 AM
corection, 53 cards :cool: including the sealed card

DarkShadow60
06-18-2006, 12:30 AM
MistaCloudStrife chill already. gez, what are you trying to get at with what your posting?

Miss Electric Moonlight
06-18-2006, 12:47 AM
MistaCloudStrife chill already. gez, what are you trying to get at with what your posting?

lol, I have no idea .. I think i've entered the 'card captor sakura' cult and i'm gonna get pwned by a SUPER POWERFUL clow card!

I still say, pikachu, I choose you.

Miss Electric Moonlight
06-18-2006, 01:03 AM
Sailormoon *IS* 'kibou no hikari', the light of hope.

"Now tell me this? What has Sailormoon done that can actually show her strength? She obviously isn't physically strong... She'd have to be a strong magic user. But what can her powers do other than cleanse? Because she can't use powers of good against good obviously. "

Well, maybe you obviously haven't watched any of the show .. but 'strength' isn't always in the physical .. depressing someone doesn't know that. I don't know why I would have to explain it to you if you've watched it .. but she has various powers, including, but not limited to .. (well, see below.)

Why would she use powers of 'good' against "good"? what do you mean by that? of course she uses the powers of 'good' to help good people .. and some not so good. So yea, i'm not sure what you mean.

"'OMG she's cleansing me! I don't feel a thing.... Oh duh... I'm not evil. =P'"

duh, sailormoon can only heal those who were PREVIOUSLY evil. Otherwise, there would be no need to heal them, now would there? ^^

"Sakura has so much magic it's not even funny. Name one generic superpower and she more than likely has it."

That's great .. does she have the power to not be lame?

But a tad boring. Sailormoon doesn't need 'oooodles' of magic or superpowers to do what she does, what she does is help save the world from evil, because she's a soldier and not a generic superhero, she has the will to save people, and the heart to do so .. and it doesn't come from her 'powerz' or 'cards', it comes from her heart.

"Besides fly... Can Sailor Moon manipulate fire"

no, sailormars does that.

"freeze things"

no, sailor mercury does that.

"and run really fast?"

no, sailor uranus/haruka can do that.

"Can she turn large, create an illusion, maze, go into the past, or create a strorm out of nowhere?"

no, but the sailor senshi have no reasons to 'turn large' .. except for the fact that mercury can create temporary illusions with her ice mist, and jupiter can also create thunderstorms. Oh, and she only saved the world from the greatest evil without her 'powers' .. I doubt the 'cardcaptors' can do that.

"Noo... Now Sakura can do this and MORE. This is a teeny tiny sample of what she can do. An also remember she can mix cards as well... So just because she has 51 cars doesn't mean she's limited to only 51 types of magic. =P"

WOw .. cards.. that's cool. Except for the fact that 'cards' would be useless in a battle with the senshi. ^^

"Now what can Sailor Moon do. Seriously, I want to know... Not just she can defeat a super powerful person. What can she DO. Whats her power? What's the attck called? How does it work? Tell me this."

Ok, well, since you asked:

good page for info: http://www.tcp.com/doi/smoon/char/moon.html

sailor moon has 5 levels of power. In each season, she grows stronger and is given new transformations, attacks, and weapons (As do the other senshi.) .. although, her 'attacks' are not really that aggressive, but they are not meant to be. Her greatest power is her love and will to save her friends and the world that she loves.

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ginzuishou:
translates as 'silver crystal'. The powerful silver crystal passed down from generations of the royal moon family kingdom, and during the time of the silver millenium. Queen serenity used it to seal off the evil and send the princess, the prince, and her court to a new future on earth, with no memory of their past lives.

It's power can only be used by someone who is from the bloodline of the royal moon family. Sailormoon must use it carefully, because it drains her energy when used to it's fullest extent. It has the power to heal and cleanse all evil, and because of it's great power, is a target for evil. Sailor moon uses this crystal to transform and heal/cleanse her enemies.

She's the princess of the moon from the past, and the queen of crystal tokyo (30th century) in the future on earth.

Moon power .... ni nare.
used to transform into other people.

transformations:

http://www.tcp.com/doi/smoon/items/moon.html


Moon prism power, make up.
I say this to transform into Sailor Moon.

Moon crystal power, make up.
I say this to transform into Sailor Moon. This first appeared in Sailor Moon R episode 51.

Moon cosmic power, make up.
I say this to transform into Sailor Moon. This first appeared in Sailor Moon S episode 91.

Crisis make up.
I say this to transform into Super Sailor Moon. This first appeared in Sailor Moon S episode 112.

Moon Crisis make up.
I say this to transform into Super Sailor Moon. This first appeared in Sailor Moon Supers episode 130.

Moon eternal make up.
I say this to transform into Eternal Sailor Moon. This first appeared in Sailor Moon Sailor Stars episode ???.

Sailor Moon Manga phrases:

Moon Frisbee
Sailor Moon says this when she creates a ball of energy and tosses it at an enemy.

Moon Twilight Flash
Super Sailor Moon says this to activate the moon emblem in her tiara which blasts an enemy.

Silver Moon Crystal Power make-up
Serena says this to morph into Princess Serenity and to awaken all of the other princesses.

anime attacks
sailor moon kick - she kicks the enemy.

moon body attack - she body slams the enemy.

double sailormoon kick - Sailor Moon teams up with chibi Sailor Moon to launch a kick attack from two directions.

Moon Tiara Action (Prism) - Uses the Moon Tiara, given to Sailor Moon by Luna through the Mystical Silver Crystal. Tiara is removed and balanced on Sailor Moon's fingers. It forms something like a frisbee, is spun around to power it up. After release, the tiara either smashes into a youma, making them "moon dust" or can encircle the target and trap them.

Moon Healing Escalation (Prism) - Uses Moon Stick to heal possessed nijizuishou ('Rainbow Crystal') carriers. The Moon Stick was given to Sailor Moon by Luna. Sailor Moon traces a full circle with the Moon Stick and the possessed person is showered in radiant 'showers.' They are restored to their former self and it is the only way to heal them. The effort drains Sailor Moon's energy, so the effect is limited to how long she can hold out. The possessed yell "Refreshed!" when healed.
(Hotaru's Note: This attack is known as Moon Twilight Flash in the manga, but since the seiyuu couldn't pronounce twilight, the name was changed.)

Moon Healing Escalation -- Upgraded (Prism) - Uses Moon Stick and also requires the ginzuishou (Mystical Silver Crystal). She gained the ginzuishou from all the nijizuishou (Rainbow Crystals), and the Moon Stick from Luna. This healing effect is used in much the same way Moon Healing Escalation is, except that it is much more effect because it focuses the healing energy. It is also more draining on Sailor Moon as evident when she collapsed after healing Tuxedo Kamen.

"Cosmic Moon Power" (Prism) - Requires Moon Stick with ginzuishou. This attack was the one Sailor Moon used during Day of Destiny (in the NA version). In the Japanese version, Serenity says Moon Prism Power. It is the attack setting of the Moon Stick. Sailor Moon holds up the Moon Stick, and beams of energy shoot out of the crystal. A shield of energy forms around her, since it repels evil energy. The shield will force anything evil to evaporate, as what happened with Queen Beryl. The attack is extremely effective, but the higher the accuracy and intensity, the higher the mortality rate.

Moon Spiral Heart Attack (Cosmic) - Requires Moon Spiral Heart Rod. This attack was created after then Prince Endymion and Princess Serenity created the Moon Spiral Heart Rod through their love (In the manga, it was the Cutie Moon Rod that was created this way. Neo-Queen Serenity gave Sailor Moon the Moon Spiral Heart Rod for saving Crystal Tokyo). This is a very cool attack. In the background is the Moon Castle in the old Silver Millennium. Sailor Moon gets the Moon Spiral Heart Rod in three steps with this background. Then, after spinning it around and proving she is exceptionally flexible, Sailor Moon freezes with one leg outstretched, holding the Heart Rod high in the air with her left hand. Sparkling beams of light shoot out, along with strands of pink hearts in white ribbons. The attack destroys daimons created by Professor Tomoe and his assistants, aka Kaolinite and the Witches 5. The daimons yell "Lovely!"

Rainbow Moon Heartache (Crisis Messianic form) - Requires Holy Grail and Moon Spiral Heart Rod. This attack is used by Super Sailor Moon after she has powered up on top of her Cosmic henshin. All of the Senshi (except Saturn) must have powered up to create the Holy Grail before Sailor Moon can become the Messiah. It creates an energy burst that destroys daimons, evil members of the Witches 5, buildings and other enemies. Here, the daimons yell, "L-lovely!"

Moon Gorgeous Meditation (Crisis) - Requires Kaleid-Moon Scope which Sailor Moon received from Pegasus. She holds it in both hands, straight out infront of her at her target. Super Sailor Chibimoon usually does Twinkle Yell to summon Pegasus to power up Sailor Moon's attack. After this, Super Sailor Moon yells her attack and a hypnotic kaleidoscope pattern appears, thoroughly confusing and boggling the lemure, which causes them to explode. Upon destruction, male lemures yell, "Stage Out!" while the female lemures cry "Beautiful!"

Starlight Honeymoon Therapy Kiss [168] (Eternal) - Requires Eternal Tier, given by the combined powers of Saturn and the other senshi. Generates an energy burst that shatters mirror teratoys and heals sailor phages (people who have had their starseeds removed). Healed phages are cleansed with feathers, crying out, "Beauty!"

Silver Moon Crystal Power Kiss [187] (Eternal) - Requires Eternal Tier, given by the combined powers of Saturn and the other senshi and Silver Moon Crystal, which is a transformed form of the Silver Crystal. This is an upgraded and more powerful version of Starlight Honeymoon Therapy Kiss. It has almost the exact same effect, except that it heals a lot better. The tier is a bit longer than before and this can be considered the ultimate healing device that Sailor Moon has. The Holy Chalice is included in the Tier, and it attaches in the bottom.

Double Moon Gorgeous Meditation - Requires Kaleidmoon Scope, Crystal Carillion, plus Sailor Moon and Chibimoon. This attack was used in the SMSS movie in the Black Dream Hole. It is simply Moon Gorgeous Meditation (see Crystal Powers, above) but with Sailor Moon and Chibimoon.

Sailor Planet Teleport - Requires a minimum of five senshi, or four including Sailor Moon. They all hold hands and call out the name of their planet (in the manga) or their henshin (in the anime). Each Sailor glows her respective color and the circle of senshi spins around. They begin to float in nothingness and reappear where they want to be. This teleport was first used when the Senshi wanted to go the moon in the manga; in the anime, it was first used when the senshi wanted to go to the high Arctic to destroy Beryl and Metallia.

Sailor Planet Attack - Requires all four inners plus Sailor Moon only. It was never used with the Outers. This is probably the strongest attack that would be used by the Four Guardians against any threat to Princess or Neo-Queen Serenity. The Guardians hold hands with each other and Sailor Moon. Each calls out her henshin, such as in the anime, when it was first used to destroy Wiseman's evil strobe. Every Sailor glows their respective color (such as Jupiter glowing green and Sailor Moon glowing pink) and an energy ball begins to form in the center of the circle. It grows larger and wider before forming a huge vertical column of energy, destroying whatever is a threat.

Sailor Planet Meditation - Requires all the Senshi, minus Saturn, as a minimum. This attack was first used in Act #41 by the Sailors to protect Super Sailor Moon and Tuxedo Kamen from Zirconia, who was intent on sending them back into the nightmare they just escaped from. Uranus started it off, and each Sailor followed, starting with the Outers, who are inherantly the strongest. Each Sailor calls out their planet only, and they kneel on the ground, holding hands. Their hair rises high in the air (impressive with Pluto) and a huge energy beam rushes out from the confines of the circle, up at their victim. It blasted Zirconia away, but he still survived, albeit quite sore. If Saturn joined, the attack would probably intensify greatly.

Silver Crystal Power - Requires ginzuishou (Silver Crystal) plus Sailor Moon and as many Senshi as one can find. This is a very ancient Queen Serenity attack using the ginzuishou. Each Sailor lends their power to the crystal, and it forms a giant energy field and blast. This is a huge energy weapon that is really effective, but also extremely draining. It was used in the SMS Movie by Sailor Moon and in the past by Queen Serenity against the Snow Kaguya. Sailor Moon destroyed her with it.

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or ..you can also try watching the show and figuring out for yourself. Because color me unimpressed by a heroine with 'generic' super powers who fights with 'cards' .. sorry. =)

Water Wolf
06-18-2006, 01:21 AM
ooohh tough one i'd have to say card captors cause it isn't as showy as Sailor Moon.

spoonfeeders
06-18-2006, 05:05 AM
cardcaptor sakura against sailormoon? or cardcaptor sakura against all the sailor scouts? that would be pretty unfair. but i know sakura would win, against sailormoon or even with all the scouts on her side.

MistaCloudStrife
06-18-2006, 09:11 AM
Sailormoon *IS* 'kibou no hikari', the light of hope.

"Now tell me this? What has Sailormoon done that can actually show her strength? She obviously isn't physically strong... She'd have to be a strong magic user. But what can her powers do other than cleanse? Because she can't use powers of good against good obviously. "

Well, maybe you obviously haven't watched any of the show .. but 'strength' isn't always in the physical .. depressing someone doesn't know that. I don't know why I would have to explain it to you if you've watched it .. but she has various powers, including, but not limited to .. (well, see below.)

Why would she use powers of 'good' against "good"? what do you mean by that? of course she uses the powers of 'good' to help good people .. and some not so good. So yea, i'm not sure what you mean.

"'OMG she's cleansing me! I don't feel a thing.... Oh duh... I'm not evil. =P'"

duh, sailormoon can only heal those who were PREVIOUSLY evil. Otherwise, there would be no need to heal them, now would there? ^^

"Sakura has so much magic it's not even funny. Name one generic superpower and she more than likely has it."

That's great .. does she have the power to not be lame?

But a tad boring. Sailormoon doesn't need 'oooodles' of magic or superpowers to do what she does, what she does is help save the world from evil, because she's a soldier and not a generic superhero, she has the will to save people, and the heart to do so .. and it doesn't come from her 'powerz' or 'cards', it comes from her heart.

"Besides fly... Can Sailor Moon manipulate fire"

no, sailormars does that.

"freeze things"

no, sailor mercury does that.

"and run really fast?"

no, sailor uranus/haruka can do that.

"Can she turn large, create an illusion, maze, go into the past, or create a strorm out of nowhere?"

no, but the sailor senshi have no reasons to 'turn large' .. except for the fact that mercury can create temporary illusions with her ice mist, and jupiter can also create thunderstorms. Oh, and she only saved the world from the greatest evil without her 'powers' .. I doubt the 'cardcaptors' can do that.

"Noo... Now Sakura can do this and MORE. This is a teeny tiny sample of what she can do. An also remember she can mix cards as well... So just because she has 51 cars doesn't mean she's limited to only 51 types of magic. =P"

WOw .. cards.. that's cool. Except for the fact that 'cards' would be useless in a battle with the senshi. ^^

"Now what can Sailor Moon do. Seriously, I want to know... Not just she can defeat a super powerful person. What can she DO. Whats her power? What's the attck called? How does it work? Tell me this."

Ok, well, since you asked:

good page for info: http://www.tcp.com/doi/smoon/char/moon.html

sailor moon has 5 levels of power. In each season, she grows stronger and is given new transformations, attacks, and weapons (As do the other senshi.) .. although, her 'attacks' are not really that aggressive, but they are not meant to be. Her greatest power is her love and will to save her friends and the world that she loves.

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ginzuishou:
translates as 'silver crystal'. The powerful silver crystal passed down from generations of the royal moon family kingdom, and during the time of the silver millenium. Queen serenity used it to seal off the evil and send the princess, the prince, and her court to a new future on earth, with no memory of their past lives.

It's power can only be used by someone who is from the bloodline of the royal moon family. Sailormoon must use it carefully, because it drains her energy when used to it's fullest extent. It has the power to heal and cleanse all evil, and because of it's great power, is a target for evil. Sailor moon uses this crystal to transform and heal/cleanse her enemies.

She's the princess of the moon from the past, and the queen of crystal tokyo (30th century) in the future on earth.

Moon power .... ni nare.
used to transform into other people.

transformations:

http://www.tcp.com/doi/smoon/items/moon.html


Moon prism power, make up.
I say this to transform into Sailor Moon.

Moon crystal power, make up.
I say this to transform into Sailor Moon. This first appeared in Sailor Moon R episode 51.

Moon cosmic power, make up.
I say this to transform into Sailor Moon. This first appeared in Sailor Moon S episode 91.

Crisis make up.
I say this to transform into Super Sailor Moon. This first appeared in Sailor Moon S episode 112.

Moon Crisis make up.
I say this to transform into Super Sailor Moon. This first appeared in Sailor Moon Supers episode 130.

Moon eternal make up.
I say this to transform into Eternal Sailor Moon. This first appeared in Sailor Moon Sailor Stars episode ???.

Sailor Moon Manga phrases:

Moon Frisbee
Sailor Moon says this when she creates a ball of energy and tosses it at an enemy.

Moon Twilight Flash
Super Sailor Moon says this to activate the moon emblem in her tiara which blasts an enemy.

Silver Moon Crystal Power make-up
Serena says this to morph into Princess Serenity and to awaken all of the other princesses.

anime attacks
sailor moon kick - she kicks the enemy.

moon body attack - she body slams the enemy.

double sailormoon kick - Sailor Moon teams up with chibi Sailor Moon to launch a kick attack from two directions.

Moon Tiara Action (Prism) - Uses the Moon Tiara, given to Sailor Moon by Luna through the Mystical Silver Crystal. Tiara is removed and balanced on Sailor Moon's fingers. It forms something like a frisbee, is spun around to power it up. After release, the tiara either smashes into a youma, making them "moon dust" or can encircle the target and trap them.

Moon Healing Escalation (Prism) - Uses Moon Stick to heal possessed nijizuishou ('Rainbow Crystal') carriers. The Moon Stick was given to Sailor Moon by Luna. Sailor Moon traces a full circle with the Moon Stick and the possessed person is showered in radiant 'showers.' They are restored to their former self and it is the only way to heal them. The effort drains Sailor Moon's energy, so the effect is limited to how long she can hold out. The possessed yell "Refreshed!" when healed.
(Hotaru's Note: This attack is known as Moon Twilight Flash in the manga, but since the seiyuu couldn't pronounce twilight, the name was changed.)

Moon Healing Escalation -- Upgraded (Prism) - Uses Moon Stick and also requires the ginzuishou (Mystical Silver Crystal). She gained the ginzuishou from all the nijizuishou (Rainbow Crystals), and the Moon Stick from Luna. This healing effect is used in much the same way Moon Healing Escalation is, except that it is much more effect because it focuses the healing energy. It is also more draining on Sailor Moon as evident when she collapsed after healing Tuxedo Kamen.

"Cosmic Moon Power" (Prism) - Requires Moon Stick with ginzuishou. This attack was the one Sailor Moon used during Day of Destiny (in the NA version). In the Japanese version, Serenity says Moon Prism Power. It is the attack setting of the Moon Stick. Sailor Moon holds up the Moon Stick, and beams of energy shoot out of the crystal. A shield of energy forms around her, since it repels evil energy. The shield will force anything evil to evaporate, as what happened with Queen Beryl. The attack is extremely effective, but the higher the accuracy and intensity, the higher the mortality rate.

Moon Spiral Heart Attack (Cosmic) - Requires Moon Spiral Heart Rod. This attack was created after then Prince Endymion and Princess Serenity created the Moon Spiral Heart Rod through their love (In the manga, it was the Cutie Moon Rod that was created this way. Neo-Queen Serenity gave Sailor Moon the Moon Spiral Heart Rod for saving Crystal Tokyo). This is a very cool attack. In the background is the Moon Castle in the old Silver Millennium. Sailor Moon gets the Moon Spiral Heart Rod in three steps with this background. Then, after spinning it around and proving she is exceptionally flexible, Sailor Moon freezes with one leg outstretched, holding the Heart Rod high in the air with her left hand. Sparkling beams of light shoot out, along with strands of pink hearts in white ribbons. The attack destroys daimons created by Professor Tomoe and his assistants, aka Kaolinite and the Witches 5. The daimons yell "Lovely!"

Rainbow Moon Heartache (Crisis Messianic form) - Requires Holy Grail and Moon Spiral Heart Rod. This attack is used by Super Sailor Moon after she has powered up on top of her Cosmic henshin. All of the Senshi (except Saturn) must have powered up to create the Holy Grail before Sailor Moon can become the Messiah. It creates an energy burst that destroys daimons, evil members of the Witches 5, buildings and other enemies. Here, the daimons yell, "L-lovely!"

Moon Gorgeous Meditation (Crisis) - Requires Kaleid-Moon Scope which Sailor Moon received from Pegasus. She holds it in both hands, straight out infront of her at her target. Super Sailor Chibimoon usually does Twinkle Yell to summon Pegasus to power up Sailor Moon's attack. After this, Super Sailor Moon yells her attack and a hypnotic kaleidoscope pattern appears, thoroughly confusing and boggling the lemure, which causes them to explode. Upon destruction, male lemures yell, "Stage Out!" while the female lemures cry "Beautiful!"

Starlight Honeymoon Therapy Kiss [168] (Eternal) - Requires Eternal Tier, given by the combined powers of Saturn and the other senshi. Generates an energy burst that shatters mirror teratoys and heals sailor phages (people who have had their starseeds removed). Healed phages are cleansed with feathers, crying out, "Beauty!"

Silver Moon Crystal Power Kiss [187] (Eternal) - Requires Eternal Tier, given by the combined powers of Saturn and the other senshi and Silver Moon Crystal, which is a transformed form of the Silver Crystal. This is an upgraded and more powerful version of Starlight Honeymoon Therapy Kiss. It has almost the exact same effect, except that it heals a lot better. The tier is a bit longer than before and this can be considered the ultimate healing device that Sailor Moon has. The Holy Chalice is included in the Tier, and it attaches in the bottom.

Double Moon Gorgeous Meditation - Requires Kaleidmoon Scope, Crystal Carillion, plus Sailor Moon and Chibimoon. This attack was used in the SMSS movie in the Black Dream Hole. It is simply Moon Gorgeous Meditation (see Crystal Powers, above) but with Sailor Moon and Chibimoon.

Sailor Planet Teleport - Requires a minimum of five senshi, or four including Sailor Moon. They all hold hands and call out the name of their planet (in the manga) or their henshin (in the anime). Each Sailor glows her respective color and the circle of senshi spins around. They begin to float in nothingness and reappear where they want to be. This teleport was first used when the Senshi wanted to go the moon in the manga; in the anime, it was first used when the senshi wanted to go to the high Arctic to destroy Beryl and Metallia.

Sailor Planet Attack - Requires all four inners plus Sailor Moon only. It was never used with the Outers. This is probably the strongest attack that would be used by the Four Guardians against any threat to Princess or Neo-Queen Serenity. The Guardians hold hands with each other and Sailor Moon. Each calls out her henshin, such as in the anime, when it was first used to destroy Wiseman's evil strobe. Every Sailor glows their respective color (such as Jupiter glowing green and Sailor Moon glowing pink) and an energy ball begins to form in the center of the circle. It grows larger and wider before forming a huge vertical column of energy, destroying whatever is a threat.

Sailor Planet Meditation - Requires all the Senshi, minus Saturn, as a minimum. This attack was first used in Act #41 by the Sailors to protect Super Sailor Moon and Tuxedo Kamen from Zirconia, who was intent on sending them back into the nightmare they just escaped from. Uranus started it off, and each Sailor followed, starting with the Outers, who are inherantly the strongest. Each Sailor calls out their planet only, and they kneel on the ground, holding hands. Their hair rises high in the air (impressive with Pluto) and a huge energy beam rushes out from the confines of the circle, up at their victim. It blasted Zirconia away, but he still survived, albeit quite sore. If Saturn joined, the attack would probably intensify greatly.

Silver Crystal Power - Requires ginzuishou (Silver Crystal) plus Sailor Moon and as many Senshi as one can find. This is a very ancient Queen Serenity attack using the ginzuishou. Each Sailor lends their power to the crystal, and it forms a giant energy field and blast. This is a huge energy weapon that is really effective, but also extremely draining. It was used in the SMS Movie by Sailor Moon and in the past by Queen Serenity against the Snow Kaguya. Sailor Moon destroyed her with it.

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or ..you can also try watching the show and figuring out for yourself. Because color me unimpressed by a heroine with 'generic' super powers who fights with 'cards' .. sorry. =)

This is exactly what I mean... Look at all or most of her moves. They're only used against EVIL. Is Sakura evil? No. So Sailor Moon can't harm her at all. Whereas Sakura can easily hurt Sailor Moon even thought she's good as well. All too easy. Obviously your tiny mind can't comprehend what i'm trying to say no matter how many times I say it. ^_~

And you try to clown on the cards but what you fail to notice is that the cards are something that "Clow"(Strongest Magician) created in order to hold in some of his magical powers. After a while the Clow Cards turn into Sakura Cards. The cards magic are then used only by Sakura. So they're cards, yes, but they're the equivalent to a chant or a spell.

Do try to fit that into your brain deary.

Oh and DarkShadow... If youre not debating about the subject at hand it's called spamming, so although I may be rude at the moment, I'm actually following the forum rules, to some extent. You aren't. So either get in the debate or stop spamming. ^_~ Good day to you.

sbsp13668
06-18-2006, 10:06 AM
Well when I was little I didn't really like Cardcaptors... but my brother did... o.O ... I liked Sailor Moon when I was little though, so I guess I'l vote for Sailor Moon! :D

Miss Electric Moonlight
06-18-2006, 12:51 PM
I doubt it .. since 'cards' wouldn't work against the senshi.

wtf .. are there any sailormoon fans/supporters in this thread at all?

or am I stuck in the middle of a lame cardcaptor fan club?

~Pure Soul~
06-19-2006, 11:24 AM
Umm well I like both ccs and salor moon but if I had to choose ccs would be my vote.

Janethan23
06-20-2006, 03:54 AM
I'm going to post this for the benefit of those who don't rely on pirated anime and other bootleg products just so to enjoy anime. I've watched and seen both heroes in action and I can say Sailormoon is a fairly balanced character to fight her enemies while Sakura is an exaggeration of how one can have all powers in almost every form just for the benefit of fan service. It's really idiotic that a kid at her very young cute age holding the universe at the palm of her hand. Whoever made such a character that has answers for every situation like she was a God with Godlike abilities? Sheeeesh man if that's not overindulgence for fan service I don't know what is. Sakura can't lose because she's too cute to be slaughtered by hideous monsters or older mature villains God forbid so let's give her all the juice her fans wish she could have thus making her unbeatable to devoted yaoi, yuri and lolicon fans alike.

By the way… if time traveling was so easy to do for either of them then what’s the point of using the other powers and having allies? Why not kill the parents or the grandparents of their enemies thus eliminating an entire bloodline. Why stop there… kill all the ancestors of the villains thus avoiding whatever conflict and calamity they will bring. This reasoning is so stupid yet I know you worshipers will still say she will do it just because she can. If she can then why didn’t she do it in the series and movies every time to make things easier? Well if my memory serves me right Usagi Tsukino can travel in any timeline with the help Chibiusa while Sakura Kinomoto’s ‘The Time’ is limited to stopping a few minutes or moving it backwards 24 hours.

The time traveling powers of both Usagi and Sakura is the most stupid of all powers one can have since time travel has always been debated to how extensive the damage one act can do. The Grandfather paradox (look it up) comes into play which makes time traveling really stupid as a weapon if you think about it however I guess you otakus won’t care since you’re caught up in the hype how cool you characters are. I'm not.

I’m just a collector with an observation.

Miss Electric Moonlight
06-20-2006, 04:00 AM
I'm going to post this for the benefit of those who don't rely on pirated anime and other bootleg products just so to enjoy anime. I've watched and seen both heroes in action and I can say Sailormoon is a fairly balanced character to fight her enemies while Sakura is an exaggeration of how one can have all powers in almost every form just for the benefit of fan service. It's really idiotic that a kid at her very young cute age holding the universe at the palm of her hand. Whoever made such a character that has answers for every situation like she was a God with Godlike abilities? Sheeeesh man if that's not overindulgence for fan service I don't know what is. Sakura can't lose because she's too cute to be slaughtered by hideous monsters or older mature villains God forbid so let's give her all the juice her fans wish she could have thus making her unbeatable to devoted yaoi, yuri and lolicon fans alike.

By the way… if time traveling was so easy to do for either of them then what’s the point of using the other powers and having allies? Why not kill the parents or the grandparents of their enemies thus eliminating an entire bloodline. Why stop there… kill all the ancestors of the villains thus avoiding whatever conflict and calamity they will bring. This reasoning is so stupid yet I know you worshipers will still say she will do it just because she can. If she can then why didn’t she do it in the series and movies every time to make things easier? Well if my memory serves me right Usagi Tsukino can travel in any timeline with the help Chibiusa while Sakura Kinomoto’s ‘The Time’ is limited to stopping a few minutes or moving it backwards 24 hours.

The time traveling powers of both Usagi and Sakura is the most stupid of all powers one can have since time travel has always been debated to how extensive the damage one act can do. The Grandfather paradox (look it up) comes into play which makes time traveling really stupid as a weapon if you think about it however I guess you otakus won’t care since you’re caught up in the hype how cool you characters are. I'm not.

I’m just a collector with an observation.

thankyou, that's what i've been trying to say. It's kinda like superman .. he's invincible .. wow, impressive .. but except for the fact that it's less impressive when the hero has no weaknesses. Sailormoon has weaknesses, and learns to overcome them, this is what makes her a better fighter.

DarkShadow60
06-20-2006, 07:39 PM
yeah whatever all sailormoon is baby who needs to grow up or shut up.

Miss Electric Moonlight
06-20-2006, 07:52 PM
Darkshadow, if you have nothing good to contribute to this thread, don't post in it.

It was a mistake for me to tell you to.

Miss Electric Moonlight
06-20-2006, 08:23 PM
*Sigh* trying to have a intelligent debate doesn't work with you does it? let the dissection begin.



This is exactly what I mean... Look at all or most of her moves. They're only used against EVIL.


Doy, that's kinda the point. She has attacks to defeat evil, that's basically what soldiers (and basically all super-heros/heroines) do, isn't it?


is Sakura evil? No.

If sakura is not evil and sailormoon is not evil, why compare the two? if they are both GOOD, they obviously they wouldn't fight each other. That's why there is no point for such a topic. It's like comparing a dorito and a potato chip. OMGZ WHO WILL WIN, THEY ARE BOTH TASTY SNACKS!


so Sailor Moon can't harm her at all. Whereas Sakura can easily hurt Sailor Moon even thought she's good as well. All too easy. Obviously your tiny mind can't comprehend what i'm trying to say no matter how many times I say it. ^_~

Ok, first off, just so you know (and remember for future reference):

Do NOT talk down to me, I don't appreciate it. If you cannot debate intelligently, don't try. Take notes from red cloud, who knows how to debate correctly while making good points. You asked for a list of attacks, you got it. If it wets your panties too much to be in a debate, please don't post in such a debate. If you want to really get into it with me, i'll give it back to you ten-fold, so don't even bother to try. I'd rather keep it civil, if that's not too much trouble.

Um - ok, wait. I'm the one with the 'tiny' mind, yet you don't realize you've contradicted yourself. Ok, so let's see:

Sailormoon is good. Sakura is good.

Sailormoon can't hurt sakura because she's good and sailormoon's weapons only destroy evil. But sakura can hurt sailormoon, because her 'weapons' can hurt anyone, right?

but my question is, WHY would she want to? if sakura is good, why would she FIGHT someone who is also good? hmm, gee, I don't know. Maybe just because she's bored and feels like it?


And you try to clown on the cards but what you fail to notice is that the cards are something that "Clow"(Strongest Magician) created in order to hold in some of his magical powers. After a while the Clow Cards turn into Sakura Cards. The cards magic are then used only by Sakura. So they're cards, yes, but they're the equivalent to a chant or a spell.

but what you fail to notice, is that I don't really give a crap. Please try to fit that into your mind, deary babe kissy face.

Miss Electric Moonlight
06-20-2006, 09:37 PM
To the genius (sayoko) who gave me a BAD REP and posted this:

"eO Uh...Yeah...Liking Pokemon = You're still at the chimpanzee stage of life. ~Sayoko </3"

I DON'T like pokemon. I was mocking the others, who said cards would beat sailormoon.

Thanks for being a douche, douche. Apparently sarcasm doesn't translate well over the internetz. Or maybe douches don't know what sarcasm is.

♥Kawaii♥
06-22-2006, 10:22 AM
Sailor Moon and Sakura are both tuff but Serena is more tuff,I think Serena would loose to Card Captor Sakura because Sakura has many choices to attack but if this is a team battle Serena has 9 Sailor Scouts behind her and Darin too so in team battle Serena totally would beat the card captor team but one on one Sakura definatly takes the victory!

-I know I spelled tuff wrong!:p

MistaCloudStrife
06-24-2006, 06:53 AM
I'm going to post this for the benefit of those who don't rely on pirated anime and other bootleg products just so to enjoy anime. I've watched and seen both heroes in action and I can say Sailormoon is a fairly balanced character to fight her enemies while Sakura is an exaggeration of how one can have all powers in almost every form just for the benefit of fan service. It's really idiotic that a kid at her very young cute age holding the universe at the palm of her hand. Whoever made such a character that has answers for every situation like she was a God with Godlike abilities? Sheeeesh man if that's not overindulgence for fan service I don't know what is. Sakura can't lose because she's too cute to be slaughtered by hideous monsters or older mature villains God forbid so let's give her all the juice her fans wish she could have thus making her unbeatable to devoted yaoi, yuri and lolicon fans alike.

By the way… if time traveling was so easy to do for either of them then what’s the point of using the other powers and having allies? Why not kill the parents or the grandparents of their enemies thus eliminating an entire bloodline. Why stop there… kill all the ancestors of the villains thus avoiding whatever conflict and calamity they will bring. This reasoning is so stupid yet I know you worshipers will still say she will do it just because she can. If she can then why didn’t she do it in the series and movies every time to make things easier? Well if my memory serves me right Usagi Tsukino can travel in any timeline with the help Chibiusa while Sakura Kinomoto’s ‘The Time’ is limited to stopping a few minutes or moving it backwards 24 hours.

The time traveling powers of both Usagi and Sakura is the most stupid of all powers one can have since time travel has always been debated to how extensive the damage one act can do. The Grandfather paradox (look it up) comes into play which makes time traveling really stupid as a weapon if you think about it however I guess you otakus won’t care since you’re caught up in the hype how cool you characters are. I'm not.

I’m just a collector with an observation.Alright... Listen carefully. Go ALL THE WAY back to my first(Or one of my first) post(s)... Read it thoroughly... Did I say "The Time"?? I Said the Return card.... Time and Return are two different cards. Return can go back into the past.. Dont indirectly put words in my mouth. =P

And just a note... CCS isn't on the top of my "favorite anime" list. I'm hardly a fan... I just like to debate. >=)

And I can already see where this debate is going to go... Right now I've already read some of my previous posts and I can clearly see some holes in some of the information I've given... But of course, you guys probably can't spot them to save your life.


*Sigh* trying to have a intelligent debate doesn't work with you does it? let the dissection begin.
lol, I have no idea .. I think i've entered the 'card captor sakura' cult and i'm gonna get pwned by a SUPER POWERFUL clow card!

I still say, pikachu, I choose you. Very intelligent now aren't you?


Doy, that's kinda the point. She has attacks to defeat evil, that's basically what soldiers (and basically all super-heros/heroines) do, isn't it? Not really... In a REAL story it would be a little harder to distinguish the good from the bad. Who exactly IS the bad guy in Card Captor Sakura? Because just about EVERY supposed bad guy in there turns out to not actually be a bad guy at all.

Also see Gundam Seed and Destiny... VERY hard to see whos actually bad and good. In fact in GS/D there really isn't a bad. "There is no good or evil, just opinion and perspective." Good quote I say.


If sakura is not evil and sailormoon is not evil, why compare the two? if they are both GOOD, they obviously they wouldn't fight each other. That's why there is no point for such a topic. It's like comparing a dorito and a potato chip. OMGZ WHO WILL WIN, THEY ARE BOTH TASTY SNACKS! Why should we compare them... Hmm... Perhaps because this is what the thread is all about?? And your analogy was terrible. Didn't fit at all with Sakura and SM...


Ok, first off, just so you know (and remember for future reference):

Do NOT talk down to me, I don't appreciate it. If you cannot debate intelligently, don't try. Take notes from red cloud, who knows how to debate correctly while making good points. You asked for a list of attacks, you got it. If it wets your panties too much to be in a debate, please don't post in such a debate. If you want to really get into it with me, i'll give it back to you ten-fold, so don't even bother to try. I'd rather keep it civil, if that's not too much trouble.

Um - ok, wait. I'm the one with the 'tiny' mind, yet you don't realize you've contradicted yourself. Ok, so let's see:

Sailormoon is good. Sakura is good.

Sailormoon can't hurt sakura because she's good and sailormoon's weapons only destroy evil. But sakura can hurt sailormoon, because her 'weapons' can hurt anyone, right?

but my question is, WHY would she want to? if sakura is good, why would she FIGHT someone who is also good? hmm, gee, I don't know. Maybe just because she's bored and feels like it? Oooh... I've touched a button there haven't I? It's been a while and I suppose that I was out of line. My apologies. But of course you've gone right ahead and insulted me as well, which brings us back to where we were before... First off... I wasn't the one who wronged first... You crossed the line when you didn't give the challenged anime the proper respect. Talking down to the subject someone is trying to defend his/her subject is VERY SIMILAR to talking down to the person him/herself...

Liek CCS is Jerst liek PokerM0N! I ch0o53 J0o PikC3rCh00!

And I DIDN'T contradict myself... Sailor Moon's "attacks" can't harm good... Sakura's "Attacks" can. This is my point.

And another thing... I think you mean Red Storm... Not Red Cloud. =P


but what you fail to notice, is that I don't really give a crap. Please try to fit that into your mind, deary babe kissy face.... Very intelligent indeed. ^_~

Miss Electric Moonlight
06-24-2006, 11:52 AM
Very intelligent now aren't you?

Yes, yes I am .. especially since "I still say, pikachu, I choose you" was SARCASM intended to mock pokemon and all anime like it, including card captor sakura. No, geniuses, I DO NOT like pokemon. Some douches didn't get that I was not being serious. Is sarcasm a new thing on these boards? did I introduce it?


Not really... In a REAL story it would be a little harder to distinguish the good from the bad. Who exactly IS the bad guy in Card Captor Sakura? Because just about EVERY supposed bad guy in there turns out to not actually be a bad guy at all.

Also see Gundam Seed and Destiny... VERY hard to see whos actually bad and good. In fact in GS/D there really isn't a bad. "There is no good or evil, just opinion and perspective." Good quote I say.

Yea, except for the tiny fact that neither sailormoon, nor CCS are 'real stories'. These are cartoons, you know that right?


Who exactly IS the bad guy in Card Captor Sakura? Because just about EVERY supposed bad guy in there turns out to not actually be a bad guy at all.

Um, I don't know - you seem to know alot about CSS. You tell me what your point is.


Why should we compare them... Hmm... Perhaps because this is what the thread is all about?? And your analogy was terrible. Didn't fit at all with Sakura and SM...

Duh, the analogy was sarcastic and meant for humorous effect. An anology doesn't always have to fit in with the topic. If it did, it wouldn't have been sarcastic. The fact that I have to explain what sarcasm is on these forums is pretty sad.


Oooh... I've touched a button there haven't I? It's been a while and I suppose that I was out of line. My apologies. But of course you've gone right ahead and insulted me as well, which brings us back to where we were before... First off... I wasn't the one who wronged first... You crossed the line when you didn't give the challenged anime the proper respect. Talking down to the subject someone is trying to defend his/her subject is VERY SIMILAR to talking down to the person him/herself...

Liek CCS is Jerst liek PokerM0N! I ch0o53 J0o PikC3rCh00!

And I DIDN'T contradict myself... Sailor Moon's "attacks" can't harm good... Sakura's "Attacks" can. This is my point.

And another thing... I think you mean Red Storm... Not Red Cloud. =

No, I didn't 'cross the line'. I did not attack you personally at the time you did - I simply mocked pokemon, and you took it personally. If you take your anime that seriously, perhaps you should not be on a forum with other people. There's a difference between debate and personal attack. If you don't know the difference between the two, just stop trying to debate, because it's not working out for you.

You didn't give sailormoon the 'proper respect', why would I give CSS the proper respect'?


And I DIDN'T contradict myself... Sailor Moon's "attacks" can't harm good... Sakura's "Attacks" can. This is my point.

Yes, you did. And you still fail to mention what the point is of you bringing that up. Sakura's attacks can harm good? ok, what's the point of that? why does, or WOULD sakura, HARM, 'good'? unless you can explain to me why sakura would even WANT TO harm someone good, consider me not taking you seriously, at all.


Talking down to the subject someone is trying to defend his/her subject is VERY SIMILAR to talking down to the person him/herself...

Yea, except for when it's not. You, before I even said anything about you, made comments such as 'now try to fit that in your brain deary' or something to that effect, simply because it pissed you off that I was not a rabid CSS fan like you. That is personal attack, not 'defending your subject.' There's a difference.


And another thing... I think you mean Red Storm... Not Red Cloud. =P

Oops, my bad. Yes, Red storm. Sorry about that, red storm! anyway, she knows how to intelligently debate without outright attacking the person she's debating with. It's great.

_usagi_
06-24-2006, 01:36 PM
I think CardCaptors would win because Sakura has many choices of attacks and the cards are powerful too ,so in this one Sakura beats usagi,I really think Sakura is the only magical girl that beated usagi! :unsure:

Miss Electric Moonlight
06-24-2006, 01:39 PM
;(

With a name like 'usagi', you'd think you'd support sailormoon. Ah, oh well. The sailormoon fans on this forum are few and far between.

It makes me sad.

DarkShadow60
06-24-2006, 02:35 PM
it can be I'm sure its the same with those who use CCS names or along that line who aren't fans, so don't feel bad. (pats moonlightkisu on the back)

yoko.......
06-24-2006, 02:39 PM
Tie braker!!

MistaCloudStrife
06-24-2006, 04:09 PM
]Yes, yes I am .. especially since "I still say, pikachu, I choose you" was SARCASM intended to mock pokemon and all anime like it, including card captor sakura. No, geniuses, I DO NOT like pokemon. Some douches didn't get that I was not being serious. Is sarcasm a new thing on these boards? did I introduce it? Yeah... You were the VEERY first to introduce it... Good for you. ^_~ Very smart you are. =)


Yea, except for the tiny fact that neither sailormoon, nor CCS are 'real stories'. These are cartoons, you know that right? And whats your point? Because they're cartoons they HAVE to have a good guy bad guy storyline? Watch Gundam Seed and you'll see not all animes are supposed to be kiddy. In fact, watch Monster and Berserk while youre at it too.


Um, I don't know - you seem to know alot about CSS. You tell me what your point is. Read what I previously wrote. It doesn't have the cliche "good guy bad guy" storyline... =P


Duh, the analogy was sarcastic and meant for humorous effect. An anology doesn't always have to fit in with the topic. If it did, it wouldn't have been sarcastic. The fact that I have to explain what sarcasm is on these forums is pretty sad.The ONLY sarcasti part of that was "OMGZ WHO WILL WIN, THEY ARE BOTH TASTY SNACKS!"... If the other part were to be sarcasm it would completely void your entire defense.



No, I didn't 'cross the line'. I did not attack you personally at the time you did - I simply mocked pokemon, and you took it personally. If you take your anime that seriously, perhaps you should not be on a forum with other people. There's a difference between debate and personal attack. If you don't know the difference between the two, just stop trying to debate, because it's not working out for you. No. You compared CCS to Pokemon and YugiOh... That is personally attacking the opposing debater. By ignorantly comparing it to somthing that isn't like it at all.


You didn't give sailormoon the 'proper respect', why would I give CSS the proper respect'? Where did I EVER compare Sailor Moon to somthing as stupid as YugiOh? Where did I say Sailor Moon suckked or something similar to it? Find that for me... Exactly.



Yes, you did. And you still fail to mention what the point is of you bringing that up. Sakura's attacks can harm good? ok, what's the point of that? why does, or WOULD sakura, HARM, 'good'? unless you can explain to me why sakura would even WANT TO harm someone good, consider me not taking you seriously, at all. Hypothetical situation... If Sailor Moon WANTED to harm good with her powers, could she do it? No. Because her powers are for cleansing evil.

Now reverse that and lets see if Sakura could harm good with her powers if she wanted... Yes she could. NOW do you get it?



Yea, except for when it's not. You, before I even said anything about you, made comments such as 'now try to fit that in your brain deary' or something to that effect, simply because it pissed you off that I was not a rabid CSS fan like you. That is personal attack, not 'defending your subject.' There's a difference. Doesn't change the fact that it's a low blow in a debate. In a debate with an athiest and a believer in god, you don't hear the athiest making fun of god, it just didn't happen unless that person was an ***.



Oops, my bad. Yes, Red storm. Sorry about that, red storm! anyway, she knows how to intelligently debate without outright attacking the person she's debating with. It's great. Yes, and she doesn't compare CCS to Yugioh as well.


Oh and just for laughs... Moon Prism Power!!! *shiny stuff* Ooooh... For love and life and guys with roses and girls transforming from one japanese school uniform to another!!! Whoooo!!!

See? I can talk sarcastically too. =P

red storm
06-24-2006, 04:36 PM
My name is mentioned... now I have to get involved.


Hypothetical situation... If Sailor Moon WANTED to harm good with her powers, could she do it? No. Because her powers are for cleansing evil.

Now reverse that and lets see if Sakura could harm good with her powers if she wanted... Yes she could. NOW do you get it?Getting hit by an enchanted frisbee or a truck-sized heart stands as 'very painfull' in my book. They're physical manifestations of magical energy, hence they hurt stuff.

When she hit Super in SS, thats when her attacks became useless.

As for the match, due to the sheer diversety in attacks and tactics -both offensively and defensively- with the cards, I hand the victory of this match to Sakura. Sailor Moon's attacks -albeit dangerous- can be easily blocked by, say, shield? After that, it only takes one offensive card to finish her of. Heck, sword could do the trick, we all know Sailor Moon is not exactly a close combat specialist.

Can Sailor Moon's attacks hurt? Yes, very. Can they be blocked? Yes.

Basic tactic in combat: Block, retaliate. Shield, sword.

Miss Electric Moonlight
06-24-2006, 04:46 PM
And whats your point? Because they're cartoons they HAVE to have a good guy bad guy storyline? Watch Gundam Seed and you'll see not all animes are supposed to be kiddy. In fact, watch Monster and Berserk while youre at it too.


No thanks. You seemed to have missed my point again. It was not about storylines, it was about discerning fantasy from reality. Some anime shows are meant for different audiences, that's why not all are 'kiddie' themed like you seem to think sailormoon is. You know that, right?


Read what I previously wrote. It doesn't have the cliche "good guy bad guy" storyline... =P

yes, so?


The ONLY sarcasti part of that was "OMGZ WHO WILL WIN, THEY ARE BOTH TASTY SNACKS!"... If the other part were to be sarcasm it would completely void your entire defense.

My point was this debate and all debates similar to it are pointless. Unless people know how to debate properly and add meaningful posts.


No. You compared CCS to Pokemon and YugiOh... That is personally attacking the opposing debater. By ignorantly comparing it to somthing that isn't like it at all.

I was likening it to the fact that it's a heroine that uses cards to attack. It reminded me of pokemon and yuigoh, since they are both card game anime. That's basically all.


Where did I EVER compare Sailor Moon to somthing as stupid as YugiOh? Where did I say Sailor Moon suckked or something similar to it? Find that for me... Exactly.

I didn't say you compared sailormoon to yugioh. I said you didn't give sailormoon the respect you wanted me to give to CSS. And as for saying sailormoon sucked, you didn't have to, it's basically there in all your previous posts, such as:

"OMGZ THE CLOW IS SO MUCH BETTER THEN SAILORMOON LOLZ SHE HAS 3944 POWERFUL CARDS LIKE WHOA!!"

(yes, that was sarcasm. Not intended to be serious, nor an exact quote.)

and - making stupid, nonsensical points that were supposed to make me go "WOW, CSS is really better then sailormoon, look at how many shiny cards she has, cool beans man!"


Hypothetical situation... If Sailor Moon WANTED to harm good with her powers, could she do it? No. Because her powers are for cleansing evil.

Now reverse that and lets see if Sakura could harm good with her powers if she wanted... Yes she could. NOW do you get it?

No, not really. I still fail to see the point, why a GOOD character would 'harm' GOOD people with her GOOD powers. I suppose, she could if she really wanted to, but there is no reason a good character would do that to another good character, so therefore, your point is moot.


Doesn't change the fact that it's a low blow in a debate. In a debate with an athiest and a believer in god, you don't hear the athiest making fun of god, it just didn't happen unless that person was an ***.

Yes, what you said was a low blow. I'm glad you agree. When debating, one should always avoid making personal attacks.

BUT.

There's quite a difference between a argument and a debate. This, right now .. is not really a debate. This is an argument. A debate makes you think .. a argument, such as this one, makes you wonder why more people do not use birth control.


Oh and just for laughs... Moon Prism Power!!! *shiny stuff* Ooooh... For love and life and guys with roses and girls transforming from one japanese school uniform to another!!! Whoooo!!!

See? I can talk sarcastically too. =P

Yea, except, I when I do it, I have an actual reason for doing it.

MistaCloudStrife
06-24-2006, 05:43 PM
Getting hit by an enchanted frisbee or a truck-sized heart stands as 'very painfull' in my book. They're physical manifestations of magical energy, hence they hurt stuff.

When she hit Super in SS, thats when her attacks became useless.

As for the match, due to the sheer diversety in attacks and tactics -both offensively and defensively- with the cards, I hand the victory of this match to Sakura. Sailor Moon's attacks -albeit dangerous- can be easily blocked by, say, shield? After that, it only takes one offensive card to finish her of. Heck, sword could do the trick, we all know Sailor Moon is not exactly a close combat specialist.

Can Sailor Moon's attacks hurt? Yes, very. Can they be blocked? Yes.

Basic tactic in combat: Block, retaliate. Shield, sword. Bah, if I knew you were coming into the debate(If it can be called that now) I would have supported my argument more. =P



;(

With a name like 'usagi', you'd think you'd support sailormoon. Ah, oh well. The sailormoon fans on this forum are few and far between.

It makes me sad. I missed this... You're completely wrong about this actually.. Look up the history of this forum... You'll be suprised.


No thanks. You seemed to have missed my point again. It was not about storylines, it was about discerning fantasy from reality. Some anime shows are meant for different audiences, that's why not all are 'kiddie' themed like you seem to think sailormoon is. You know that, right? Oh yes... I see. You strayed from the debate to point out that CCS and SM are cartoons.

When I meant "real story" I didn't mean literally. I meant in a story that would be worth watching (imo). There is always going to be a good guy vs bad guy story in most animes, but a story where you can't clearly distinguish the good from the bad is a REAL story to me.

There are always exceptions to this... Sailor Moon might be one if I were to watch all of it. But for now... No.


yes, so?-_-


My point was this debate and all debates similar to it are pointless. Unless people know how to debate properly and add meaningful posts. Yes, because you're debating skills are top notch and mine succk horribly.


I was likening it to the fact that it's a heroine that uses cards to attack. It reminded me of pokemon and yuigoh, since they are both card game anime. That's basically all. Yeah... And you should know that SM has a card game, as well as a card battle system RPG on the snes. <_<;


I didn't say you compared sailormoon to yugioh. I said you didn't give sailormoon the respect you wanted me to give to CSS. And as for saying sailormoon sucked, you didn't have to, it's basically there in all your previous posts, such as:

"OMGZ THE CLOW IS SO MUCH BETTER THEN SAILORMOON LOLZ SHE HAS 3944 POWERFUL CARDS LIKE WHOA!!"

(yes, that was sarcasm. Not intended to be serious, nor an exact quote.)

and - making stupid, nonsensical points that were supposed to make me go "WOW, CSS is really better then sailormoon, look at how many shiny cards she has, cool beans man!" Heh. Attacking the debater instead of the subject. Very nice. At least when I do it, I make a point about the subject beforehand. You though, ake my words, make fun of it in an untrue way and bash on the point I was making instead of countering it. Oh yes... You DID counter it though. "Go Pikachu" was your arguement... Am I right?

And look... you really couldn't find an actual quote of me bashing on Serena or Sailor Moon... Except for me saying that Sakura would win. Niice.


No, not really. I still fail to see the point, why a GOOD character would 'harm' GOOD people with her GOOD powers. I suppose, she could if she really wanted to, but there is no reason a good character would do that to another good character, so therefore, your point is moot. So then you take my hypothetical situation and change it back to normal because you can't think of anything to counter it? Well Red Storm sort of did that for you... But then supported CCS in the end. I kind of knew that she would...


Yes, what you said was a low blow. I'm glad you agree. When debating, one should always avoid making personal attacks.

BUT.

There's quite a difference between a argument and a debate. This, right now .. is not really a debate. This is an argument. A debate makes you think .. a argument, such as this one, makes you wonder why more people do not use birth control. Ah another personal attack. Hoorah for you. And I'm trying to turn this back into a debate... Seeing as RS is here... Maybe I can actually have a bit of fun... Although it seems she's already said her part.



Yea, except, I when I do it, I have an actual reason for doing it. I had reason for doing it as well...

The same reason why you said... "OMGZ THE CLOW IS SO MUCH BETTER THEN SAILORMOON LOLZ SHE HAS 3944 POWERFUL CARDS LIKE WHOA!!"

Miss Electric Moonlight
06-24-2006, 06:58 PM
Yeah... And you should know that SM has a card game, as well as a card battle system RPG on the snes. <_<;

NO again. Of course it does, but my point was that the SENSHI do not use CARDS to battle. That was my point, not what anime franchise has what games and whatnot. So, again = moot point.


I missed this... You're completely wrong about this actually.. Look up the history of this forum... You'll be suprised.

No, not really. It was based an a simple observation. Of course, you can post about anything you want, regardless of your membername, obviously.


Oh yes... I see. You strayed from the debate to point out that CCS and SM are cartoons.

No, this isn't really much of a debate. This is an argument. The fact that CSS and SM are cartoons is not the debate at hand, is it?


When I meant "real story" I didn't mean literally. I meant in a story that would be worth watching (imo). There is always going to be a good guy vs bad guy story in most animes, but a story where you can't clearly distinguish the good from the bad is a REAL story to me.

Ok, that's great. I don't know what you mean by that exactly .. so, the fact that you CAN distinguish the good from the bad in sailormoon, makes it a 'fake' story? explain.


Heh. Attacking the debater instead of the subject. Very nice. At least when I do it, I make a point about the subject beforehand.

Yes .. as I recall, before I even got into it with you, I made points about sailormoon, after you asked me to list her abilities, you made it personal instead, and posted:



Obviously your tiny mind can't comprehend what i'm trying to say no matter how many times I say it. ^_~


and:



Do try to fit that into your brain deary.


You were the first one to lash out with the personal attacks even before I said anything, so if you would like respect, then learn to show some. If you do not like arguing, then watch what you say.


You though, ake my words, make fun of it in an untrue way and bash on the point I was making instead of countering it. Oh yes... You DID counter it though. "Go Pikachu" was your arguement... Am I right?

No. "I choose you pikachu!" was my sarcastic, mocking retort, not my argument.


And look... you really couldn't find an actual quote of me bashing on Serena or Sailor Moon... Except for me saying that Sakura would win. Niice.

You would like examples? apparently you must have forgotten your own words.



'OMG she's cleansing me! I don't feel a thing.... Oh duh... I'm not evil. =P'




Now tell me this? What has Sailormoon done that can actually show her strength? She obviously isn't physically strong... She'd have to be a strong magic user. But what can her powers do other than cleanse? Because she can't use powers of good against good obviously.


I told you, and instead of posting anything that made any sense whatsover, you told me to 'try to fit' the load of crap that was your post, into my 'brain', 'deary'.



I can clearly see some holes in some of the information I've given... But of course, you guys probably can't spot them to save your life.


Oh, I have no problem seeing them.



So then you take my hypothetical situation and change it back to normal because you can't think of anything to counter it? Well Red Storm sort of did that for you... But then supported CCS in the end. I kind of knew that she would...


I'm sorry, using that pesky logic again. I know what a 'hypothetical situation' is, but I don't see a point for it. Why do you need to create a 'hypothetical situation' anyway? just for the sake of argument? ok, whatever works for you.

If you cannot handle being in a debate without someone else trying to prove you wrong, then don't come into debate topics, because that's basically what a 'debate' is. This right now, isn't much of a debate. If you'd like to turn this back to a actual debate, i'd be glad.

_usagi_
06-25-2006, 04:14 AM
Hey! I may love Usagi as my fave magical girl but liking her do not mean that I will choose her in every verses thread,I really like to choose who is stronger in the verses threads because its just fair if i choose usagi here just because I am a fan it would just be plain wrong!

Hope you understand, moonlightkisu.

MistaCloudStrife
06-25-2006, 12:27 PM
NO again. Of course it does, but my point was that the SENSHI do not use CARDS to battle. That was my point, not what anime franchise has what games and whatnot. So, again = moot point.
Read your quote...

"I was likening it to the fact that it's a heroine that uses cards to attack. It reminded me of pokemon and yuigoh, since they are both card game anime. That's basically all."

Poke'mon... Card game anime... Poke'mon isn't a card game anime... So the only logical reasoning for this is that you mean card game/anime... Unless you want to tell me you were completely wrong in writing what you did.




Ok, that's great. I don't know what you mean by that exactly .. so, the fact that you CAN distinguish the good from the bad in sailormoon, makes it a 'fake' story? explain.
I don't feel the need to elaborate.


No. "I choose you pikachu!" was my sarcastic, mocking retort, not my argument. I know... I just said "I choose you pikachu!" was your arguement in a sarcastic manner because you really didn't have an arguement.


I told you, and instead of posting anything that made any sense whatsover, you told me to 'try to fit' the load of crap that was your post, into my 'brain', 'deary'.

Oh, I have no problem seeing them.
Mhmm... And yet you still can't properly debate. You can state as many times as you want about what Sailor Moon moves are, but you haven't even tried to debate about how she would go around to defeat Sakura. Except for your sarcasm... "OMGz Sakura is going to use cards on me." Which is when I explained that Sakura's cards are a medium between her and Clow's(And later on her own) magic... Of course you still didn't understand, which is why I explained it several times over and told you to "fit that in your brain".


I'm sorry, using that pesky logic again. I know what a 'hypothetical situation' is, but I don't see a point for it. Why do you need to create a 'hypothetical situation' anyway? just for the sake of argument? ok, whatever works for you.
This thread created the hypothetical situation where Sakura and SM fight... I'm just adding to it because YOU seem to be still stuck at the "But they wouldn't fight in the first place" stage.


If you cannot handle being in a debate without someone else trying to prove you wrong, then don't come into debate topics, because that's basically what a 'debate' is. This right now, isn't much of a debate. If you'd like to turn this back to a actual debate, i'd be glad.

Sagat
06-25-2006, 02:31 PM
Everybody is now stupider for having read this debate on fictional characters fighting in an imaginary world which has become so senselessly long and retarded that the very concept of logic and sanity is as alien here as the concept of the 4th dimension to our minds.

DarkShadow60
06-25-2006, 04:08 PM
this quote thing is getting old. are trying to use logic in this fight or what.

MistaCloudStrife
06-25-2006, 07:13 PM
Everybody is now stupider for having read this debate on fictional characters fighting in an imaginary world which has become so senselessly long and retarded that the very concept of logic and sanity is as alien here as the concept of the 4th dimension to our minds.Your little run-on is pretty senselessly long and retarded as well. You aren't needed here. Everyone knows the topic has gone downhill; it's actually pretty obvious. I'm just here passing time. And look, I have to go... Good day to you.

Miss Electric Moonlight
06-25-2006, 11:47 PM
*Sigh* .. I'm really not in the mood to argue with douche tonight. Just getting it out there.



Poke'mon... Card game anime... Poke'mon isn't a card game anime... So the only logical reasoning for this is that you mean card game/anime... Unless you want to tell me you were completely wrong in writing what you did.

Yes. Pokemon IS a card game anime. It's an anime based on the CARD GAME. Or is it a card game based on the anime? I don't know, nor do I care.



Mhmm... And yet you still can't properly debate. You can state as many times as you want about what Sailor Moon moves are, but you haven't even tried to debate about how she would go around to defeat Sakura. Except for your sarcasm... "OMGz Sakura is going to use cards on me'.

YOU ASKED ME WHAT MOVES SHE HAD. I TOLD YOU.

Well, your points were crap. I made fun of them using sarcasm. I'm sorry if I don't take the crap people write here seriously, unless they are intelligent and know how to make GOOD, well-written points, not: 'the clow is supers like whoa it has 393 cards thats why it would beat sailormoon!!'.

How am I supposed to take that seriously? if you've seen my debates with red storm, such as in the sailormoon vs kagome thread, you would see how to properly debate. I did not call red storm names, nor was I condesending. I simply explained my points in a intelligent and logical manner.

You, on the other hand, don't know the difference between 'debate' and 'argument', that's why you're picking at straws by taking things that don't have anything to do with the topic at hand and debating them. Sorry, that's not how a real debate works, get it straight.

If you want to see an actual debate, go look in the 'sailormoon vs kagome' thread. There's slightly less stupid in there. But very slightly.
As for how she would 'defeat' sakura, I don't know, nor do I give a crap. Here's a hypothetical situation for you.

They wouldn't fight at all, they would sit down and have pie and tea. Oh, what, is that too boring for you? probably. Since you never brought up intelligent or even logical points for your argument, except for 'she can do this and this and she has cards and she has tons of super magical powers and she is cool!', expect me to not take you seriously.

Also, I'm not an avid anime/manga fan, even though i've seen other anime, i'm not a rabid anime fan like some people would assume. I like sailormoon because it's my first. I don't know, nor do I give a crap about card captor sakura. I have not watched it, I will not watch it, I don't care to watch it. I hardly even watch sailormoon anymore, even though I remain a loyal fan of the series.


Which is when I explained that Sakura's cards are a medium between her and Clow's(And later on her own) magic... Of course you still didn't understand, which is why I explained it several times over and told you to "fit that in your brain.

Yes, well maybe you didn't realize that saying such things are personal attacks, and don't belong in a actual mature, intelligent debate. They belong in arguments. This is an argument. Maybe you need to understand that before you expect other people to understand you. Attacking someone will not make someone understand your already moot points.


Your little run-on is pretty senselessly long and retarded as well. You aren't needed here. Everyone knows the topic has gone downhill; it's actually pretty obvious. I'm just here passing time. And look, I have to go... Good day to you.

Stop picking at straws, MistaCloudStrife. His one paragraph is shorter then all the stupidity rampant in this thread.


Everybody is now stupider for having read this debate on fictional characters fighting in an imaginary world which has become so senselessly long and retarded that the very concept of logic and sanity is as alien here as the concept of the 4th dimension to our minds.

LOL

The powers of stupidity alive in this thread have given me quite a headache.

Bibi of the Blue Sea
06-26-2006, 12:26 AM
hmm....lets set some cards straight in here....pokemon did in fact start off from the actual card game then it was released as a pokemon rpg game for the GB and then it was animated (if my memory serves me right this late at night)

as for the long chatter on whether sakura can outlast sailor moon...Sagat's words say it all...


Everybody is now stupider for having read this debate on fictional characters fighting in an imaginary world which has become so senselessly long and retarded that the very concept of logic and sanity is as alien here as the concept of the 4th dimension to our minds.

joundill
06-26-2006, 12:29 AM
cardcaptors would win

.Kuro
06-26-2006, 01:23 AM
How many times do I have to tell that Sakura CardCaptors is the best????

red storm
06-26-2006, 04:23 AM
Everybody is now stupider for having read this debate on fictional characters fighting in an imaginary world which has become so senselessly long and retarded that the very concept of logic and sanity is as alien here as the concept of the 4th dimension to our minds.Nobody is forcing you to read our debates. If you don't like it, the 'back' button is on the top left of your browser screen.


Yes. Pokemon IS a card game anime. It's an anime based on the CARD GAME. Or is it a card game based on the anime? I don't know, nor do I care.Flawed logic, 'it has a card game, thus it is a card game anime' even more, according to that logic Sailor Moon is a card game anime as well. After all, it has a card game.

Miss Electric Moonlight
06-26-2006, 01:03 PM
This isn't a 'debate' anymore, it's a topic that turned to crap.


Flawed logic, 'it has a card game, thus it is a card game anime' even more, according to that logic Sailor Moon is a card game anime as well. After all, it has a card game.

I guess, Perhaps. I guess I see sailormoon as being different then pokemon for some reason.

MistaCloudStrife
06-26-2006, 07:39 PM
hmm....lets set some cards straight in here....pokemon did in fact start off from the actual card game then it was released as a pokemon rpg game for the GB and then it was animated (if my memory serves me right this late at night)

as for the long chatter on whether sakura can outlast sailor moon...Sagat's words say it all...Let me rearrange the cards you set straight.

Gameboy games (Red and Blue) -> Anime -> Cards

That's the way it went in Japan anyway. So by Kisa's "It has to be a card game first in order to be considered a card game anime" logic... Pokemon wouldn't be.


Yes. Pokemon IS a card game anime. It's an anime based on the CARD GAME. Or is it a card game based on the anime? I don't know, nor do I care. ^ Kisa's logic... Up there.



YOU ASKED ME WHAT MOVES SHE HAD. I TOLD YOU.

Well, your points were crap. I made fun of them using sarcasm. I'm sorry if I don't take the crap people write here seriously, unless they are intelligent and know how to make GOOD, well-written points, not: 'the clow is supers like whoa it has 393 cards thats why it would beat sailormoon!!'.

How am I supposed to take that seriously? if you've seen my debates with red storm, such as in the sailormoon vs kagome thread, you would see how to properly debate. I did not call red storm names, nor was I condesending. I simply explained my points in a intelligent and logical manner.

You, on the other hand, don't know the difference between 'debate' and 'argument', that's why you're picking at straws by taking things that don't have anything to do with the topic at hand and debating them. Sorry, that's not how a real debate works, get it straight.

If you want to see an actual debate, go look in the 'sailormoon vs kagome' thread. There's slightly less stupid in there. But very slightly.
As for how she would 'defeat' sakura, I don't know, nor do I give a crap. Here's a hypothetical situation for you.

They wouldn't fight at all, they would sit down and have pie and tea. Oh, what, is that too boring for you? probably. Since you never brought up intelligent or even logical points for your argument, except for 'she can do this and this and she has cards and she has tons of super magical powers and she is cool!', expect me to not take you seriously.

Also, I'm not an avid anime/manga fan, even though i've seen other anime, i'm not a rabid anime fan like some people would assume. I like sailormoon because it's my first. I don't know, nor do I give a crap about card captor sakura. I have not watched it, I will not watch it, I don't care to watch it. I hardly even watch sailormoon anymore, even though I remain a loyal fan of the series.Here's my original post.


Alright....

I believe the basis on ALOT of people's opinions here are that they haven't seen ALL of each anime.

And I'm one of those people. ^_~ hah.

So I'm going to biasedly side with Card Captor Sakura on this. Hopefully my one sided opinions on this anime will be good enough to hold up in this thread.

Lets start with the list of cards...

1. The Fly
2. The Windy
3. The Shadow
4. The Watery
5. The Wood
6. The Rain
7. The Jump
8. The Illusion
9. The Silent
10. The Thunder
11. The Sword
12. The Flower
13. The Shield
14. The Time
15. The Power
16. The Mist
17. The Float
18. The Storm
19. The Erase
20. The Glow
21. The Move
22. The Fight
23. The Loop
24. The Sleep
25. The Song
26. The Little
27. The Mirror
28. The Maze
29. The Return
30. The Shot
31. The Sweet
32. The Dash
33. The Create
34. The Big
35. The Change
36. The Freeze
37. The Firey
38. The Snow
39. The Voice
40. The Lock
41. The Cloud
42. The Dream
43. The Sand
44. The Light
45. The Dark
46. The Twin
47. The Earthy
48. The Bubbles
49. The Wave
50. The Libra
51. The Through
52. The Arrow
53. The Hope

Reading this entire list should already sway the Sailor Moon supporters.

If not then lets go through a few details. Some people have said that it would take forever for Sakura to use a card and change her wand and such, but lets look at almost EVERY episode of Sailor Moon... She chants this whole crap about supporting love and crap while she transforms from one school uniform to another. This takes up quite a bit of time as well.

And lets take a look at what exactly they have to offer "fight-wise"...

A throwing boomerang tiara... A moon stick... Lipstick... And uhh... Thats all I can really think of...

NOW lets look back at Sakura's list... Yeah, up there. Hm... Quite a large list if I say so myself... Now lets not limit the list to that. Remember Sakura can also combine the cards. She can turn into a gaint and use fight to kick a tiny Serena's butt, she can use both shield and sword for an obvious offensive/defensive advantage, or she can even have Serena fall asleep and use the shot to blast her brains out of her skull.

And if you're still not convinced there's always the return card. Sakura can just go back in time and kill Serena as a baby. All too easy. I named all of the cards and listed ways for her to be Serena by using them. One example I gave...


...she can use both shield and sword for an obvious offensive/defensive advantage... ...was even pretty similar to what Red Storm posted....


...can be easily blocked by, say, shield? After that, it only takes one offensive card to finish her of. Heck, sword could do the trick...

Yes, well maybe you didn't realize that saying such things are personal attacks, and don't belong in a actual mature, intelligent debate. They belong in arguments. This is an argument. Maybe you need to understand that before you expect other people to understand you. Attacking someone will not make someone understand your already moot points.Let me just STOP YOU RIGHT THERE, because seriously... You're stupidity is completely annoying me. An argument IS A DEBATE!! Look up argument and debate in the dictionary please. -_- Sheesh... You keep going on with, "It's not a debate, it's an argument"... Man... Like saying "It's not a fight, it's a quarrel." -_-


Stop picking at straws, MistaCloudStrife. His one paragraph is shorter then all the stupidity rampant in this thread.
Uh... Okay... So you're saying the stupidity is short in this thread? Oh and it's "shorter THAN" not "shorter THEN"...

TheHumanoidTyphoon
06-26-2006, 08:06 PM
Sailor moon.. for me.. i never got into card captors

Miss Electric Moonlight
06-26-2006, 10:56 PM
Let me just STOP YOU RIGHT THERE, because seriously... You're stupidity is completely annoying me. An argument IS A DEBATE!! Look up argument and debate in the dictionary please. -_- Sheesh... You keep going on with, "It's not a debate, it's an argument"... Man... Like saying "It's not a fight, it's a quarrel." -_-

Uh, No. Not exactly, that's where you're wrong. A debate is not the same as a name-calling, mud slinging argument. Why? because when it becomes personal, you are no longer debating about the TOPIC at hand - and oh look! that's exactly what we're doing. We're not talking about sailormoon vs cardcaptors anymore, are we? no, now we are just arguing over stupid crap. Hence the reason this isn't a real debate. Because, what are we 'debating' about? nothing to do with the topic.

Let me break it down for you:

Me and Red Storm have a debate. If I do not agree with one of her points, I don't get all hot and bothered and tell her to 'fit that into her brain, deary' - I simply counter with my points. That is what is called an intelligent 'debate'.

The difference between that and an 'argument' is simple. This is an example of an argument devoid of intelligence and making any points whatsoever:

"NO YOU'RE WRONG, THATS STUPID AND YOU'RE REALLY DUMB, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND LOLZ LOOK AT ME, I'M ALWAYS RIGHT NO MATTER WHAT! TRY TO FIT THAT IN YOUR BRAIN, STUPID!!11"

This is an example of an intelligent debate, where you actually might get somewhere if you have oppossing views:

"I'm sorry, I do not agree. The reasons why I do not agree, are _____, and _____, insertreasonshere. This is because it could not possibly work. Insertreasonshere."


And if you're still not convinced there's always the return card. Sakura can just go back in time and kill Serena as a baby. All too easy.
That quote is particularly laugable, even if you mean in a 'hypothetical' sense. Perhaps she could, but I fail to see why a good character would kill a baby. I don't know, maybe it makes more sense in your own mind.

Also, you did not stack up your points correctly. Even after I gave you a full, and complete list of sailormoon's attacks after you specifically asked for them, this is all you came up with:


A throwing boomerang tiara... A moon stick... Lipstick... And uhh... Thats all I can really think of...
Close, but no cigar. She doesn't use 'lipstick' to fight. She doesn't have only 3 weapons at her disposal. I'm not going to repost the whole large list of items I posted simply because you should be able to go back and read it. If you expect people take your argument seriously, then you will have to stack up your points correctly, not half-*** it because you're too lazy to do research, and then expect people to agree with you.


Uh... Okay... So you're saying the stupidity is short in this thread? Oh and it's "shorter THAN" not "shorter THEN"...

I'm amazed at how much actually goes over your head. How do you not understand a simple sentence? I said his ONE paragraph is *SHORTER* then ALL the stupidity IN THIS THREAD, because YOU called sagat's ONE tiny paragraph, 'a pretty senslessly long and retarded run-on', which it was not. I did not say this topic was SHORT, and nor is the stupidity in it. God, take some vitamins or something. Please do not make me explain simple things to you again, there are only so many ways I can say it.

And oh crapz, I spelled something wrong! thanks, because correcting someone's spelling is what you do when you're fresh out of anything else to say, which was oh, 10 posts ago.

I no longer care about this topic or the people in it, and I hope it's closed soon and put out of it's misery by one of the mods. Since it's gotten so out of topic, i'm suprised it hasn't been already.

And, by the way - it's not MY stupidity that's annoying you, sweetie, it's the other way around. Trust me.

MistaCloudStrife
06-27-2006, 02:07 AM
Uh, No. Not exactly, that's where you're wrong. A debate is not the same as a name-calling, mud slinging argument. Why? because when it becomes personal, you are no longer debating about the TOPIC at hand - and oh look! that's exactly what we're doing. We're not talking about sailormoon vs cardcaptors anymore, are we? no, now we are just arguing over stupid crap. Hence the reason this isn't a real debate. Because, what are we 'debating' about? nothing to do with the topic.

Let me break it down for you:

Me and Red Storm have a debate. If I do not agree with one of her points, I don't get all hot and bothered and tell her to 'fit that into her brain, deary' - I simply counter with my points. That is what is called an intelligent 'debate'.

The difference between that and an 'argument' is simple. This is an example of an argument devoid of intelligence and making any points whatsoever:

"NO YOU'RE WRONG, THATS STUPID AND YOU'RE REALLY DUMB, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND LOLZ LOOK AT ME, I'M ALWAYS RIGHT NO MATTER WHAT! TRY TO FIT THAT IN YOUR BRAIN, STUPID!!11"

This is an example of an intelligent debate, where you actually might get somewhere if you have oppossing views:

"I'm sorry, I do not agree. The reasons why I do not agree, are _____, and _____, insertreasonshere. This is because it could not possibly work. Insertreasonshere."
Alright all-mighty smart one... Looks like you didn't take my advise to check a dictionary... so I'll "Ctrl+C" it for you.


DEBATE
v. de·bat·ed, de·bat·ing, de·bates
v. intr.
To consider something; deliberate.
To engage in argument by discussing opposing points.
To engage in a formal discussion or argument. See Synonyms at discuss (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=discuss).
Obsolete. To fight or quarrel.


ARGUE
v. ar·gued, ar·gu·ing, ar·gues
v. tr.
To put forth reasons for or against; debate: “It is time to stop arguing tax-rate reductions and to enact them” (Paul Craig Roberts).
To attempt to prove by reasoning; maintain or contend: The speaker argued that more immigrants should be admitted to the country.
To give evidence of; indicate: “Similarities cannot always be used to argue descent” (Isaac Asimov).
To persuade or influence (another), as by presenting reasons: argued the clerk into lowering the price



That quote is particularly laugable, even if you mean in a 'hypothetical' sense. Perhaps she could, but I fail to see why a good character would kill a baby. I don't know, maybe it makes more sense in your own mind.

Alright...

Also, you did not stack up your points correctly. Even after I gave you a full, and complete list of sailormoon's attacks after you specifically asked for them, this is all you came up with:


Close, but no cigar. She doesn't use 'lipstick' to fight. She doesn't have only 3 weapons at her disposal. I'm not going to repost the whole large list of items I posted simply because you should be able to go back and read it. If you expect people take your argument seriously, then you will have to stack up your points correctly, not half-*** it because you're too lazy to do research, and then expect people to agree with you.
BECAUSE and ONLY BECAUSE Sakura CAN do it means she's stronger than Serena. You're still stuck on the whole "Well they wouldn't fight each other in the first place" stage. And really now... I didn't know she had more moves... *gasp*


I believe the basis on ALOT of people's opinions here are that they haven't seen ALL of each anime.

And I'm one of those people. ^_~ hah.
Oh wait... now looky here... I said before I never seen all of Sailor Moon... isn't that a suprise.

And guess what else I said?


Here's my original post.
I posted that quote there way before you even joined in the debate.


I'm amazed at how much actually goes over your head. How do you not understand a simple sentence? I said his ONE paragraph is *SHORTER* then ALL the stupidity IN THIS THREAD, because YOU called sagat's ONE tiny paragraph, 'a pretty senslessly long and retarded run-on', which it was not. I did not say this topic was SHORT, and nor is the stupidity in it. God, take some vitamins or something. Please do not make me explain simple things to you again, there are only so many ways I can say it.

And oh crapz, I spelled something wrong! thanks, because correcting someone's spelling is what you do when you're fresh out of anything else to say, which was oh, 10 posts ago.

I no longer care about this topic or the people in it, and I hope it's closed soon and put out of it's misery by one of the mods. Since it's gotten so out of topic, i'm suprised it hasn't been already.

And, by the way - it's not MY stupidity that's annoying you, sweetie, it's the other way around. Trust me.Ahh... Just like you can get in your head that CCS is more about cards eh? Heh... Well I'm off now... And really... Believe me... You're annoying me more. ^_~ I might not be able to respond for a while so take your time thinking up your posts. Make it good kay? I wanna be thoroughly suprised when I get back. Heh... =P

Miss Electric Moonlight
06-27-2006, 09:53 AM
BECAUSE and ONLY BECAUSE Sakura CAN do it means she's stronger than Serena. You're still stuck on the whole "Well they wouldn't fight each other in the first place" stage. And really now... I didn't know she had more moves... *gasp*
I don't see how you MISSED the sailormoon 'moves' since I posted a HUGE long page about every single one she had.

And sorry, 'just because she can do it' is still not a compelling argument. Just because sakura can travel back in time and 'kill' a baby doesn't make her stronger .. the senshi can also travel back in time, as well as into the future. Just for the sake of argument, would usagi be able to go back in time and kill sakura?

So sorry, not making sense once again. Unless you have a compelling argument that actually makes sense, don't bother talking about it anymore.


I believe the basis on ALOT of people's opinions here are that they haven't seen ALL of each anime.

And I'm one of those people. ^_~ hah.


well, maybe that's why you're unable to provide a compelling argument of HOW and WHY sakura would defeat sailormoon. Like I said, if you're unable to do the research and BACK UP YOUR POINTS, your argument is crap. And, since you're one of those people who likes to make arguements without seeing all of the anime you're debating about, once again, don't expect me to take your points seriously.

You have to do better then "she can travel back in time and kill serena as a baby, that makes her better' to convince me.

And I still stick to my point that personal attacks will not make anyone see your point any further. Rather then try to explain this over and over and over, i'll just accept the fact that you're not mature enough to engage in a debate.

I don't really care anymore, everything I say will go over your head anyways. I've already asked a mod to close the topic.

DarkShadow60
06-27-2006, 09:24 PM
(looks at a clock) and so time passes on again.http://www.animegalleries.net/bbs/images/smilies/sleep.gif

sunflower
06-28-2006, 08:12 AM
Cardcaptors would win because Sakura has many options of attacking and has a very good deffence and the attacks are no so weak either or I would say the attacks are powerful!

Sesshomaru Girlfriend
07-01-2006, 09:12 AM
Card Captor Sakura will win.

-She do not transform
-She has much options of attacking
-She also have friends that has much power as her too
-Her Sheild card

MistaCloudStrife
07-01-2006, 01:32 PM
Ahhh... such a dissapointing post.


I don't see how you MISSED the sailormoon 'moves' since I posted a HUGE long page about every single one she had.

And sorry, 'just because she can do it' is still not a compelling argument. Just because sakura can travel back in time and 'kill' a baby doesn't make her stronger .. the senshi can also travel back in time, as well as into the future. Just for the sake of argument, would usagi be able to go back in time and kill sakura?

So sorry, not making sense once again. Unless you have a compelling argument that actually makes sense, don't bother talking about it anymore.
I actually DIDN'T miss it... That was sarcasm... See my uber sarcasmic "gasp" for reference.

And yes, because she CAN, that makes her stronger. Now that's why you said "The senshi" and not Serena... Because Serena herself can't go back in time.


well, maybe that's why you're unable to provide a compelling argument of HOW and WHY sakura would defeat sailormoon. Like I said, if you're unable to do the research and BACK UP YOUR POINTS, your argument is crap. And, since you're one of those people who likes to make arguements without seeing all of the anime you're debating about, once again, don't expect me to take your points seriously.

You have to do better then "she can travel back in time and kill serena as a baby, that makes her better' to convince me.

And I still stick to my point that personal attacks will not make anyone see your point any further. Rather then try to explain this over and over and over, i'll just accept the fact that you're not mature enough to engage in a debate.

I don't really care anymore, everything I say will go over your head anyways. I've already asked a mod to close the topic.Oh, so that means you've seen ALL of CCS? Hah. You do know what this is called right? Hypocritisism. You obviously haven't seen all of CCS, so don't talk to me about not having seen enough of SM. Heh. Don't try to lie either; I can clearly see you haven't seen it all. ^_~

Miss Electric Moonlight
07-01-2006, 10:31 PM
Ahhh... such a dissapointing post.


I actually DIDN'T miss it... That was sarcasm... See my uber sarcasmic "gasp" for reference.

And yes, because she CAN, that makes her stronger. Now that's why you said "The senshi" and not Serena... Because Serena herself can't go back in time.

Oh, so that means you've seen ALL of CCS? Hah. You do know what this is called right? Hypocritisism. You obviously haven't seen all of CCS, so don't talk to me about not having seen enough of SM. Heh. Don't try to lie either; I can clearly see you haven't seen it all. ^_~
I no longer care. You are the worst debater in the universe. Goodbye!

DarkShadow60
07-02-2006, 12:40 AM
yeah I'm sorry but mistacloudstrife you should stop now.

Sinnaku
07-02-2006, 12:41 AM
Good grief, you people damage my brain. Argueing over something as pointless and foolharty as two different cartoons that truly aren't that different.

It's true, God has reverted the stupid back to thier 4th grade instincts of "Everything I say is right!" and yes, we musn't forget the classic "You're a liar!"

Does it matter to you that much that you hurt your own image to prove a retarded point such as this? I don't think it will change anything to know wich of these two fictional gals is better in a fight.

FLASH-X
07-02-2006, 06:50 AM
i totally agree with sinnaku it doesnt matters who win because both are not worth it

Hotaru-Tomoe
07-02-2006, 12:52 PM
Sailor Moon has battled many monsters before, of course Sakura couldn't beat Sailor Moon with her mere cards!

Now, by saying Sailor Moon - would Super Sailor Moon and Eternal Sailor Moon count? Because I don't think Sakura would have a chance against Eternal Sailor Moon :rolleyes:
If you watch ALL 200 Japenese Salior Moon episodes and see all the different enemies she's defeaten and all the different attacks and strategies she has, it seems pretty obvious who would win ;)

Ami~chan
07-02-2006, 12:57 PM
As long as it's Sailor Moon alone, Sakura would win. Why? There would be no way Sakura could take on all the senshi at one time and have a hope of winning.

Sakura has 53 cards (counting The Hope), which is quite a few options for attacking. Some, such as the shield, are purely diffensive. The fly and the jump would be essential to dodging attacks. The time would be handy; pausing time, and then finishing Sailor Moon off while she was frozen in time (literally).

Sailor Moon wouldn't go down without a fight though; it would be a rough battle, from beginning to end.

Now, in what super-weirdo fanfiction will this battle take place?

Shadow_Nyx
07-15-2006, 09:04 PM
Sailor Moon all the way. She has a number of staffs/ceptars/crystals that she could use to her advantage plus if you want to get into allies then you have the other sailor scouts with their combined power would be able to destroy Sakura and hers. Though I must say I think they are both verry strong.

Serenith Youkai
07-15-2006, 09:09 PM
Card Captores would win hands down T_T lol.

kurosaki
07-17-2006, 01:38 AM
Sakura would win. If Sakura fought with all of the cards, there's no way Sailor Moon can match her...

GreenLight
07-17-2006, 02:27 AM
I think Card captors 'cos... well... I just like it... A LOT!! I want to watch volume 4 and 5... I've seen the volume 4 movie. It was in Chinese and it was cool.

Miss Electric Moonlight
07-17-2006, 10:14 AM
Sakura would win. If Sakura fought with all of the cards, there's no way Sailor Moon can match her...
If you're going to post 'sakura would win because I like her' .. then please explain in detail how sakura would win.

AngelPaladin
07-17-2006, 10:27 AM
It would be a tie. They might fight at first with Sakura using elementals and Sailor Moon calling her allies, but in the end, they will work together and become allies. It might be unlikely for them to fight anyway, because they are both friendly and won't fight unless they have no choice.

Chariza
07-17-2006, 01:51 PM
I have no clue I'm a fan of both anime show but if I had to chose I'd pick Sakura.Cardcaptor. Sailormoon has a power that's kind of strange so yeah even though I'm a BIG fan of Sailor Moon ever since birth I'd have to go with Sakura on this one. But if it were only Sakura and Sailor Moon then I'd pick Sailor Moon on that one.

Sabrina Elric
07-17-2006, 02:14 PM
I have only seen a bit from both salior moon and cardcaptors but I am geussing that is would probably be a tie.

kitsumi28
07-21-2006, 11:11 AM
I'd say Cardcaptor Sakura a.k.a CardCaptors. It's more audience-friendly. (Not that Sailor Moon isn't but with all the evil they fight? I think not. That's why sometimes there's a 'Parental Guidance' skit before they play the show in some channels.)

Miss Electric Moonlight
07-21-2006, 11:36 AM
I'd say Cardcaptor Sakura a.k.a CardCaptors. It's more audience-friendly. (Not that Sailor Moon isn't but with all the evil they fight? I think not. That's why sometimes there's a 'Parental Guidance' skit before they play the show in some channels.)
If sailormoon wasn't audiience friendly, it wouldn't have so many fans.

Being as since 'sailor says' was only a segment created for the north american dub in 1995. In japan, there were weekly 'omake' segments instead.

And sailormoon is about warriors fighting evil, isn't it?

DarkShadow60
07-21-2006, 01:02 PM
of course CCS would win sakura can beat sailormoon with her cards even she used just one.

Infinita
07-21-2006, 01:28 PM
I never really liked them both but i would have to say cardcaptors. (i thoughtthey were both stupid)

Rowloman
07-21-2006, 02:38 PM
Cardcaptor Sakura all the way man. she has so many cards to her advantage. Even if SM called the senshi sakura could call Lee, Kerobros, and yue.

Miss Electric Moonlight
07-21-2006, 03:35 PM
No one is explaining 'how' cardcaptor sakura would defeat sailormoon .. not very convincing.

MistaCloudStrife
07-21-2006, 05:04 PM
No one is explaining 'how' cardcaptor sakura would defeat sailormoon .. not very convincing.That's it. You're getting cocky...

THIS is how she'll beat Sailor Moon.

1. The Fly
2. The Windy
3. The Shadow
4. The Watery
5. The Wood
6. The Rain
7. The Jump
8. The Illusion
9. The Silent
10. The Thunder
11. The Sword
12. The Flower
13. The Shield
14. The Time
15. The Power
16. The Mist
17. The Float
18. The Storm
19. The Erase
20. The Glow
21. The Move
22. The Fight
23. The Loop
24. The Sleep
25. The Song
26. The Little
27. The Mirror
28. The Maze
29. The Return
30. The Shot
31. The Sweet
32. The Dash
33. The Create
34. The Big
35. The Change
36. The Freeze
37. The Firey
38. The Snow
39. The Voice
40. The Lock
41. The Cloud
42. The Dream
43. The Sand
44. The Light
45. The Dark
46. The Twin
47. The Earthy
48. The Bubbles
49. The Wave
50. The Libra
51. The Through
52. The Arrow
53. The Hope

Let me see... She'll use The Fight to give herself elite fighting skills, use The Power to increase her strength greatly, then use The Shield and The Sword for insane offensive and defensive power.

Thats not all now. NOW she'll use The Illusion and The Create to bring Sailor Moon to her own thought up world so she can have an advantage over her area-wise.

Is that all? Nope. Now she'll use The Big to turn herself into a gigantic suped up Sakura THEN use The Mirror to duplicate herself into TWO gigantic suped up Sakuras.

And if she wanted to she could use one of the four elemental cards to deal elemental damage to Sailor Moon. If not maybe she'll use The Shot which would deal damage similar to a gun. OR she could use The Arror if she wanted to make it a little flashier.

The tactics she could use to defeat her are endless whereas Sailor Moon's aren't. In a one on one battle Sailormoon has nothing on Sakura.

Miss Electric Moonlight
07-21-2006, 05:27 PM
Oh, didn't mean you, MistaCloudStrife. You've already bored with me with your retardedness. I was asking everyone else.

It's not so much as being 'cocky' as it is asking for reasons. I can say 'so and so' is better then 'so and so' .. but if I don't explain why, then it's kinda pointless, isn't it?

So .. thanks for explaining, but afraid you didn't get it .. again.

You explained how sakura would defeat sailormoon, but not how sailormoon would fight back.

Saying 'she will use this" and 'do this', is still not very convincing without explaining the other side.

so, it seems sakura has all these mystical COOL powers where she can do anything she wants .. that's cool. Except ..


Let me see... She'll use The Fight to give herself elite fighting skills, use The Power to increase her strength greatly, then use The Shield and The Sword for insane offensive and defensive power.Ok, so what you're basically saying, is that she's near invincible. What a boring opponent. What good is a warrior who does not have any vunerablities? she could just 'wish' the battle over and declare herself the victor if she wanted. Not much of a challenge.


Thats not all now. NOW she'll use The Illusion and The Create to bring Sailor Moon to her own thought up world so she can have an advantage over her area-wise.

ok .. and do what, exactly?


Is that all? Nope. Now she'll use The Big to turn herself into a gigantic suped up Sakura THEN use The Mirror to duplicate herself into TWO gigantic suped up Sakuras.Wow, not just ONE giant sakura, but TWO, how cool! .. except for the fact that sailormoon has fought huge enemies before, and lots of them.

You seem to be bent on trying to prove all the AWESOME powers and cards she has .. rather then the actual way she would defeat sailornoon.


And if she wanted to she could use one of the four elemental cards to deal elemental damage to Sailor Moon. If not maybe she'll use The Shot which would deal damage similar to a gun.

OR she could use The Arror if she wanted to make it a little flashier.And sailormoon would counter .. how? you tell me. This is sailormoon VS cardcaptors, you know - you can't just explain one side and not the other.

I've said it before, i'll say it again .. sailormoon can dodge projectile attacks. She does it all the time in the anime.

If they actually fought, it would be more of a friendly competion then a showdown.

I'll give a cookie to the first person (besides MistaCloudStrife) who can provide me a convincing argument that doesn't reek of stupidity.

Treyu
07-21-2006, 06:29 PM
I like CardCaptors more...

Well... If you are asking like... Sakura vs. Sailormoon (Serena)... Sakura hardcore wins because Sailormoon really only has like 'moon healing power' and what not... Oh but she can kill the bad guys...

But SAKURA can use her magic on anyone >=)

But I did like Sailormoon when I was a kid XD It was always funny to way Serena eat ^.^;

MistaCloudStrife
07-21-2006, 09:04 PM
Oh, didn't mean you, MistaCloudStrife. You've already bored with me with your retardedness. I was asking everyone else.

It's not so much as being 'cocky' as it is asking for reasons. I can say 'so and so' is better then 'so and so' .. but if I don't explain why, then it's kinda pointless, isn't it?

So .. thanks for explaining, but afraid you didn't get it .. again.

You explained how sakura would defeat sailormoon, but not how sailormoon would fight back.

Saying 'she will use this" and 'do this', is still not very convincing without explaining the other side.

so, it seems sakura has all these mystical COOL powers where she can do anything she wants .. that's cool. Except ..

Ok, so what you're basically saying, is that she's near invincible. What a boring opponent. What good is a warrior who does not have any vunerablities? she could just 'wish' the battle over and declare herself the victor if she wanted. Not much of a challenge.


ok .. and do what, exactly?

Wow, not just ONE giant sakura, but TWO, how cool! .. except for the fact that sailormoon has fought huge enemies before, and lots of them.

You seem to be bent on trying to prove all the AWESOME powers and cards she has .. rather then the actual way she would defeat sailornoon.

And sailormoon would counter .. how? you tell me. This is sailormoon VS cardcaptors, you know - you can't just explain one side and not the other.

I've said it before, i'll say it again .. sailormoon can dodge projectile attacks. She does it all the time in the anime.

If they actually fought, it would be more of a friendly competion then a showdown.

I'll give a cookie to the first person (besides MistaCloudStrife) who can provide me a convincing argument that doesn't reek of stupidity.I was actually giving several examples of things Sakura can do proving that her powers compared to Sailor Moon's is obviously superior.

And look at the list again and you'll find several ways Sakura can beat her.

The Sleep can be used to (DUH) put SM to sleep and where's her dodging projectiles ability now? Nowhere. Gone. She's dead. There's also The Time, which can stop SM for a limited amount of time in which Sakura can kill her off with any of her offensive cards.

And read Treyu's comment. This person has said the exact thing I've stated over and over in this thread. This person understands the battle's outcome.


I believe you already know Sakura would win but are too hard headed and angry to admit it to me; the person that hit your thoughts and opinions down to the ground, stomped on them repeatedly then threw them in the garbage, burned it and threw the ashes into a puddle of piss. ^_~

shadow Aeris
07-21-2006, 09:37 PM
well ive been watching, reading, and anilizing sailor moon and cardcaptors for a very long time and to my understanding both would never fight each other unless it was a life and death situashion or if something really really bad happend to make them act this way :sleep: :unsure: :ninja:

DarkMoonPrince
07-21-2006, 10:06 PM
I Vote for Sailor Moon! I like card captors, but sailor moon is my first anime, ya know. ^^;;

Miss Electric Moonlight
07-21-2006, 10:30 PM
I was actually giving several examples of things Sakura can do proving that her powers compared to Sailor Moon's is obviously superior.

And look at the list again and you'll find several ways Sakura can beat her.

The Sleep can be used to (DUH) put SM to sleep and where's her dodging projectiles ability now? Nowhere. Gone. She's dead. There's also The Time, which can stop SM for a limited amount of time in which Sakura can kill her off with any of her offensive cards.

And read Treyu's comment. This person has said the exact thing I've stated over and over in this thread. This person understands the battle's outcome.

I believe you already know Sakura would win but are too hard headed and angry to admit it to me; the person that hit your thoughts and opinions down to the ground, stomped on them repeatedly then threw them in the garbage, burned it and threw the ashes into a puddle of piss. ^_~

i'm sorry - but you're making sakura's 'powers' sound udderly pathetic. Sure, they may work in the 'sakura' world .. against 'card captor sakura' enemies/opponents .. but what's to say they would work in a world when the two anime universes are combined? was part of my very point.

The very argument of sailormoon VS cardcaptor sakura is ridiculous anyway, as sailormoon is not one of sakura's opponents .. there is a possiblity that sakura's 'cards' would not work on sailormoon, and sailormoon's attacks would not not work on sakura.


I believe you already know Sakura would win but are too hard headed and angry to admit it to me; the person that hit your thoughts and opinions down to the ground, stomped on them repeatedly then threw them in the garbage, burned it and threw the ashes into a puddle of piss. ^_~LOL

no, sweetie, what Treyu said didn't bother me, but did little to sway the arguement. That's what you're trying to do .. keyword, trying. You're trying so hard it's making you more dillusional then you already are.

I am simply posting to counter your 'points' .. I don't take you seriously enough to get hard headed and angry. Unlike you, which probably pissed your pants while listing all of card captor sakura's AWESOME 'CARDZ' and can do everything and anything so that there is no challenge in trying to defeat her.

Quik
07-21-2006, 11:17 PM
I was actually giving several examples of things Sakura can do proving that her powers compared to Sailor Moon's is obviously superior.There are so many flaws in those examples that you'd have to be near crazy to actually believe that they would work. And you should know well that Sakura is nowhere near as advanced as you make her out to be.


And look at the list again and you'll find several ways Sakura can beat her.

The Sleep can be used to (DUH) put SM to sleep and where's her dodging projectiles ability now? Nowhere. Gone. She's dead. I don't think so. There has been many time where she has dodged attempted attacks that were coming at her with extreme speed. One notable occasion of this is in the Sailor Moon S season, where she fights against Sailor Uranus and Neptune. Sailor Uranus was right up in Sailor Moon's face attacking her nonstop with very fast kicks and such, keeping the constant pressure high, and Sailor Moon dodged each one of them like it was nothing, while also talking to Sailor Uranus, asking her to stop. Sailor Moon is fast when she wants to be. Don't underestimate her when it comes to dodging, she's got dodging down pat. I'm sure she'll be able to dodge the magical slow falling sleeping dust from Sakura's sleep card with much much ease. And, as you'll read below, Sailor Moon would be able to kill Sakura before she even gets to use a clow card.


There's also The Time, which can stop SM for a limited amount of time in which Sakura can kill her off with any of her offensive cards.And this is where Sakura dies. You see, in order to use a Clow Card, Sakura has to take out the card, take out her duck wand, and hit the card. And then once she hits the card, it takes a while before the actual monster is released and can attack. During all of that time Sakura is hanging wide open, in which Sailor Moon could attack and kill her. This is Sakura's downfall. There is no way she could summon a clow card fast enough that Sailor Moon wouldn't be able to attack her first. Sailor Moon's attacks are powerful and travel very fast, but in this case, a simple Moon Tiara Action will do. As seen in the SuperS movie, this attack travels with great speed, and it has enough power to make a grown man wearing armor ache with pain and drop onto the floor (Evil Endymion, ep. 46), and thats BEFORE Sailor Moon's powers grow over the years. Sakura would be out. Sailor Moon doesn't need to actually say any words or perform any "rituals" to do an attack. And neither do any of the other Senshi. The only have "attack sequences" in the anime so that we have something cool to look at. There have been plenty of times in the anime where they have immediately launched an attacks without hesitation.


And read Treyu's comment. This person has said the exact thing I've stated over and over in this thread. This person understands the battle's outcome.Treyu's comment was so useless and ultimately wrong that I'm shocked that you even referred to it. He knows nothing about Sailor Moon's powers. His comment is false.


I believe you already know Sakura would win but are too hard headed and angry to admit it to meI beg to differ. I think it is you who lacks knowledge about Sailor Moon's skills and is therefor dictating a battle against an opponent you know nothing about. I know Sailor Moon. I know Sakura. Cardcaptor Sakura, a little 10 yr old girl is not going to win in a fight against a 16 yr old young woman named Sailor Moon, who has been fighting monsters and extremely strong enemies for two years of her life and is very well experiences at it.

Now, another solid reason Sakura would never win in a fight against Sailor Moon- is because of Sailor Moon's extremely powerful Ginzuisho. The Ginzuisho is so power that its not even fair for Sakura. The Ginzuisho was used to defeat very powerful enemies in various seasons, and it was also used to resurrect the entire Earth from a catastrophe. There's no way in hell, or even in Sakura's wildest dreams, that she'd be able to combat the Ginzuisho.

Miss Electric Moonlight
07-22-2006, 12:04 AM
Thankyou quik! finally, some intelligent life on the board!



There are so many flaws in those examples that you'd have to be near crazy to actually believe that they would work. And you know well the Sakura nowhere near as advanced as you're making her out to be.

I think he is crazy. Also, obviously just trying to over glamourize card captor sakura .. I thought i've established that, but apparently not. You said it better then I could.



I don't think so. There has been many time where she has dodged attempted attacks that were coming at her with extreme speed. One notable occasion of this is in the Sailor Moon S season, where she fights against Sailor Uranus and Neptune. Sailor Uranus was right up in Sailor Moon's face attacking her with very fast kicks and such, and Sailor Moon dodged each one of them like it was nothing, while also talking to Sailor Uranus, asking her to stop. Sailor Moon is fast when she wants to be. Don't underestimate her when it comes to dodging, she's got dodging down pat. I'm sure she'll be able to dodge the magical slow falling sleeping dust from Sakura's sleep card with much much ease.

Oh, but not possible! sakura can just use the I WIN card and just win the battle right there! DUH!

Just kidding. Yes, I tried to explain that yes, sailormoon can dodge. It seems as though mistacloudstrife is the hardheaded one here. He seems to be blind to the fact that sailormoon can dodge or counter or attack herself. But wait .. isn't this called the 'sakura VS sailormoon' thread?



And this is where Sakura dies. You see, in order to use a Clow Card, Sakura has to take out the card, take out her duck wand, and hit the card. And then once she hits the card, it takes a while before the actual monster is released and can attack. During all of that time Sakura is hanging wide open, in which Sailor Moon could attack and kill her. This is Sakura's downfall. There is no way she could summon a clow card fast enough that Sailor Moon wouldn't be able to attack her first. Sailor Moon doesn't need to actually say any words or perform any "rituals" to do an attack. And neither do any of the other Senshi. The only have "attack sequences" in the anime so that we have something cool to look at. There have been plenty of times in the anime where they have immediately launched an attacks without hesitation.
It is simply amazing to see someone who knows BOTH cardcaptor sakura and sailormoon. Oh, and you even get the transformation thing .. that's awesome.



Treyu's comment was so useless and ultimately wrong that I'm shocked that you even referred to it. He knows nothing about Sailor Moon's powers. His comment is false.

No offense to Treyu .. but I tried to explain that his/her comment had nothing to do with my opinion, or how I felt about the argument. Oh well ..



I beg to differ. I think it is you who lacks knowledge about Sailor Moon's skills and is therefor dictating a battle against an opponent you know nothing about. I know Sailor Moon. I know Sakura. Cardcaptor Sakura, a little 10 yr old girl is not going to win in a fight against a 16 yr old young woman named Sailor Moon, who has been fighting monsters and extremely strong enemies for two years of her life and is very well experiences at it.

Now, another solid reason Sakura would never win in a fight against Sailor Moon- is because of Sailor Moon's extremely powerful Ginzuisho. The Ginzuisho is so power that its not even fair for Sakura. The Ginzuisho was used to defeat very powerful enemies in various seasons, and it was also used to resurrect the entire Earth from a catastrophe. There's no way in hell, or even in Sakura's wildest dreams, that she'd be able to combat the Ginzuisho.
Not to mention, the ginzuishou is so powerful, if sailormoon uses it to it's full extent, it can kill her, and in the R movie, it practically did, and other times it just weakens her. Also, when the senshi combine their powers with hers, it becomes even more powerful. It's purifying light and power is also coveted by her enemies, as this is the legendary crystal that was part of the royal moon family line for generations.

It is not just the 'power' that is strong here, it is the desire and the intent behind it. To me, sailormoon's desire to save her friends, the world, and innocent people makes her a powerful opponent, in my opinon.

So .. sorry it's not real, haha .. but, COOKIE for Quik!

( .* )

Quik
07-22-2006, 12:33 AM
I think he is crazy. Also, obviously just trying to over glamourize card captor sakura .. I thought i've established that, but apparently not. You said it better then I could. Over glamorize indeed. Its just oh so blatantly obvious. It made me tilt my head and think "Wah? You gotta be kidding me..."


Oh, but not possible! sakura can just use the I WIN card and just win the battle right there! DUH!

Just kidding. Yes, I tried to explain that yes, sailormoon can dodge. It seems as though mistacloudstrife is the hardheaded one here. He seems to be blind to the fact that sailormoon can dodge or counter or attack herself. But wait .. isn't this called the 'sakura VS sailormoon' thread?The I Win card, lol. That was a great. Kudos for that. And yeah, Sailor Moon is a skilled "dodger". Another moment that sticks out in my mind is ep.17 in the first season... one of her enemy released a constant barrage of white beams at her, using this "possessed camera". At which Sailor Moon very very quickly advanced her way through the beams, dodging each and every one of them, jumped into the air at him and kicked the camera out of his hands. Remember that stunning display of speed? Heh, anyone who says she cant dodge clearly hasnt seen her do it.



It is simply amazing to see someone who knows BOTH cardcaptor sakura and sailormoon. Oh, and you even get the transformation thing .. that's awesome.Thankies, lol...


Not to mention, the ginzuishou is so powerful, if sailormoon uses it to it's full extent, it can kill her, and in the R movie, it practically did, and other times it just weakens her. Also, when the senshi combine their powers with hers, it becomes even more powerful. It's purifying light and power is also coveted by her enemies, as this is the legendary crystal that was part of the royal moon family line for generations.Yep! Thats one powerful stone! Lol. Its almost not even fair to put Sakura up to Sailor Moon and that amazingly powerful piece of weapon.


It is not just the 'power' that is strong here, it is the desire and the intent behind it. To me, sailormoon's desire to save her friends, the world, and innocent people makes her a powerful opponent, in my opinon.Yep. Sailor Moon has some of (if not the) the strongest will I've seen in anime.


So .. sorry it's not real, haha .. but, COOKIE for Quik!

( .* )Thanks for the cookie. Hope its chocolate chip though... o_O

Treyu
07-22-2006, 12:46 AM
... I'm sorry... I just need to get his out here but erm...

You guys DO realize you are arguing over an anime show. Actually no, you are arguing over a CHARACTER in an anime show XD

Do you know how silly that is, come on... I am sure after reading this you will giggle ^.^;

Both shows are equally good, its simply if you like a certain way that the writers emanate the way their ability works. It also depends on how much you like the co-workers and what not. (Sailor Scouts and Lee... and all them other beasties ^.^;). You could include Mew Mew or whatever in this question as well because that is a similar show!

Either way, both shows have interesting plots and great endings! (Although Cardcaptor needs another season ... >.>;) XD

PS: DarkMoonPrince, Sailormoon was my first Anime as well XD

PPS: Dun bad rep me for being a goof ;_; ^.^;

Quik
07-22-2006, 01:10 AM
... I'm sorry... I just need to get his out here but erm...

You guys DO realize you are arguing over an anime show. Actually no, you are arguing over a CHARACTER in an anime show XD

Do you know how silly that is, come on... I am sure after reading this you will giggle ^.^;Yep. I realize it. Actually, this is a hobby for a lot of anime fans. There are entire forums centered around debates, vs fights between anime characters from different animes.


Both shows are equally good, its simply if you like a certain way that the writers emanate the way their ability works. It also depends on how much you like the co-workers and what not. (Sailor Scouts and Lee... and all them other beasties ^.^http://animeforum.com/images/smilies/wink.gif. You could include Mew Mew or whatever in this question as well because that is a similar show!

Either way, both shows have interesting plots and great endings! (Although Cardcaptor needs another season ... >.>http://animeforum.com/images/smilies/wink.gif XDWow, this was random and very unexpected, lol. Yeah, I like Cardcaptor Sakura and Sailor Moon both, but... this isnt about which show is better.http://animeforum.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Treyu
07-22-2006, 01:18 AM
That... is true.

But I am random... and thought I would point that out XD...

And I just watched a very good episode of FullMetal Alchimest XD... and unfortunatly a repeat of Naruto...

But it is 11:18 and there is a heatwave right now so I have NO idea what is going on...

Miss Electric Moonlight
07-22-2006, 01:28 AM
... I'm sorry... I just need to get his out here but erm...

You guys DO realize you are arguing over an anime show. Actually no, you are arguing over a CHARACTER in an anime show XD

Do you know how silly that is, come on... I am sure after reading this you will giggle ^.^;

Both shows are equally good, its simply if you like a certain way that the writers emanate the way their ability works. It also depends on how much you like the co-workers and what not. (Sailor Scouts and Lee... and all them other beasties ^.^;). You could include Mew Mew or whatever in this question as well because that is a similar show!

Either way, both shows have interesting plots and great endings! (Although Cardcaptor needs another season ... >.>;) XD

PS: DarkMoonPrince, Sailormoon was my first Anime as well XD

PPS: Dun bad rep me for being a goof ;_; ^.^;
Yes, we do know that. Buy you also realize that we are on a forum called 'animeforum' and that we're in anime debate topic. So obviously, we are debating.

Oh, no, I don't take it quite as seriously as you're assuming. But yes .. in a debate topic, I will debate. ^^;

Quik
07-22-2006, 01:32 AM
That... is true.

But I am random... and thought I would point that out XD...

And I just watched a very good episode of FullMetal Alchimest XD... and unfortunatly a repeat of Naruto...

But it is 11:18 and there is a heatwave right now so I have NO idea what is going on...Randomness is cool. FMA... I watched an episode a couple days ago. Unfortunately, I haven't been watching it from the beginning so I didnt know what the hell was going on. Lol. But its looks cool enough. Cant say the same for Naruto though. I watched my first episode two days ago and I think thats its so very lame. Just doesn't appeal to me. Seems too childish also. Tell me, what do you like about Naruto?

And what about you moonlightkisu? What do you think about Naruto? I want all opinions here, 'cause personally I think its... less than stellar.

Treyu
07-22-2006, 02:10 AM
I dun really like it... it is just on before some of the other shows I watch so I usually catch the end or something.

It... is alright, although the plot is a wee bit lame and sometimes it just outright stinks.

It bugs the hell out of me that Sakura and Sasuke don't hook up... coommme on... they MUST >.<;

And FMA is great... I missed like 3 episodes tho and was SO confused for a bit, but im caught back up XD

MistaCloudStrife
07-22-2006, 10:53 AM
There are so many flaws in those examples that you'd have to be near crazy to actually believe that they would work. And you should know well that Sakura is nowhere near as advanced as you make her out to beIt's true that Sakura's magical powers can't fully utilize the potential of the Sakura Cards but by the last movie her magical powers are enough to use quite a few cards at one time. Either to combine or use one at a time.


I don't think so. There has been many time where she has dodged attempted attacks that were coming at her with extreme speed. One notable occasion of this is in the Sailor Moon S season, where she fights against Sailor Uranus and Neptune. Sailor Uranus was right up in Sailor Moon's face attacking her nonstop with very fast kicks and such, keeping the constant pressure high, and Sailor Moon dodged each one of them like it was nothing, while also talking to Sailor Uranus, asking her to stop. Sailor Moon is fast when she wants to be. Don't underestimate her when it comes to dodging, she's got dodging down pat. I'm sure she'll be able to dodge the magical slow falling sleeping dust from Sakura's sleep card with much much ease. And, as you'll read below, Sailor Moon would be able to kill Sakura before she even gets to use a clow card.That's nice and all, but the way that the Sakura cards are set up, there's always going to be a way(A card) for her to get around any problem.


And this is where Sakura dies. You see, in order to use a Clow Card, Sakura has to take out the card, take out her duck wand, and hit the card. And then once she hits the card, it takes a while before the actual monster is released and can attack. During all of that time Sakura is hanging wide open, in which Sailor Moon could attack and kill her. This is Sakura's downfall. There is no way she could summon a clow card fast enough that Sailor Moon wouldn't be able to attack her first. Sailor Moon's attacks are powerful and travel very fast, but in this case, a simple Moon Tiara Action will do. As seen in the SuperS movie, this attack travels with great speed, and it has enough power to make a grown man wearing armor ache with pain and drop onto the floor (Evil Endymion, ep. 46), and thats BEFORE Sailor Moon's powers grow over the years. Sakura would be out. Sailor Moon doesn't need to actually say any words or perform any "rituals" to do an attack. And neither do any of the other Senshi. The only have "attack sequences" in the anime so that we have something cool to look at. There have been plenty of times in the anime where they have immediately launched an attacks without hesitation.Alright, let's take the time thing into consideration then. Serena needs to transform into Sailor Moon then correct? This of course takes "time" so therefore THIS is where Serena dies. Sakura uses "The Time" card and then... well, you can use your imagination here since there are endless ways to go about killing off someone using the cards.


Treyu's comment was so useless and ultimately wrong that I'm shocked that you even referred to it. He knows nothing about Sailor Moon's powers. His comment is false.His quote has some truth to it. The majority of Sailor Moon's powers are used to cleanse. Simple as that.


I beg to differ. I think it is you who lacks knowledge about Sailor Moon's skills and is therefor dictating a battle against an opponent you know nothing about. I know Sailor Moon. I know Sakura. Cardcaptor Sakura, a little 10 yr old girl is not going to win in a fight against a 16 yr old young woman named Sailor Moon, who has been fighting monsters and extremely strong enemies for two years of her life and is very well experiences at it.Age doesn't matter in a "Magical Girl" anime. So then you're saying Sakura has no experience? I would say she's had about 2 years experience as well. You can tell by how many school years pass formt eh first ep. to the last movie.



Now, another solid reason Sakura would never win in a fight against Sailor Moon- is because of Sailor Moon's extremely powerful Ginzuisho. The Ginzuisho is so power that its not even fair for Sakura. The Ginzuisho was used to defeat very powerful enemies in various seasons, and it was also used to resurrect the entire Earth from a catastrophe. There's no way in hell, or even in Sakura's wildest dreams, that she'd be able to combat the Ginzuisho.
And the Ginzuisho is another one of Sailor Moon's possesions that have been used for the cleansing of evil. very powerful, yes, but can it be used to attack someone who isn't evil?

Well let's say it does. Then I suppose Sakura would have to use her most powerful Card. Formerly known as "The Nothing". Later known as "The Hope"... It's powers are equivalent to all of the Cards created by Clow and has the power to destroy the world. In fact, it would have if not for Sakura.

You know what card it is right? The one that created big black balls and whatever the ball encompasses dissappears.

I believe this could rival the Ginzuisho.

EDIT: And I just wanted to add that in the manga of CCS it ends with Sakura as a Junior HIgh student meaning she has a higher level of magical powers. Perhaps she'll be catching up to Clow soon.

Anime_Otaku
07-22-2006, 11:38 AM
You all are wrong. I WOULD WIN! HAHAHA!!! xD j/k No, but I seriously think Sailormoon would win (not because I'm a Sailormoon fan) but because she has the silver crystal and she's got so many power up-grades and stuff.
yeah i mean sakuras cards would not stand a chance against Sailor moons crystal BELIEVE ME people

Anime_Otaku
07-22-2006, 12:10 PM
you think little hearts can beat the elements of the clow? that's sad...http://www.animegalleries.net/bbs/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://www.animegalleries.net/bbs/images/smilies/laugh.gifThey dont shoot little hearts.
http://www.animeforum.com/uploads/special_venus[1].gifhttp://www.animeforum.com/uploads/shabon_spray[1].gifhttp://www.animeforum.com/uploads/Eternal_Moon_Attacks[1].gifhttp://www.animeforum.com/uploads/mars_rmovie[1].gifhttp://www.animeforum.com/uploads/jupiterattack03[1].gif VS http://zoe26md.free.fr/imagesaku/carte.gif

Treyu
07-22-2006, 12:16 PM
Hmmm... back tracking along I re-read some of the arguements.

First off... I am in fact a girl, not a guy as most of you refer to me as.

Second, Quik, when you mentioned that I had no clue about anything sailormoon that is in fact false. I have watched every single season (maybe not that last one though...). However, I did watch this when I was in grade 6/7 for the most part.... which was 7 years ago... So some of my info may be a wee bit rusty ^.^;

However, (note I am really not taking sides...) I did notice that a large sum of Sailor Moons attacks were in fact healing type attacks... and that the other Sailor gals... And NOW for some fun research... because I am bored ^.^

Sailor Moon's Attacks:

Moon Tiara Magic
She says this when she converts her Moon Tiara into a discus-like weapon. At first, it was capable of destroying monsters. It is now used to knock down enemies, rather than destroying them.

Moon Tiara Action
This is Sailor Moon's attack where she throws her tiara like a frisbee.

Moon Tiara Stardust
This is Sailor Moon's attack where she throws her tiara like a frisbee. But in this case the tiara only sprays stardust on the opponent and doesn't hit them.

Moon Sceptre Elimination
She says this to use the power of the Moon Sceptre to eliminate her enemies. <--- This one was used to kill the monsters so woohoo XD

Sailor Moon Kick (Self Explanitory XD)

Moon Healing Activation
She says this when using the Cosmic Crescent Wand to convert monsters back into their original form (as normal Earth beings).

Moon Spiral Heart Attack
This is Sailor Moon's attack using the spiral heart moon rod. (I cant actually remember if this killed the monsters... or healed them ^.^;)

Now I am SURE I missed a buttload of them... so feel free to add on ^.^;

Butt back to the debate.

So here is what I am thinking... the question was "who would win, card captors or Sailor Moon".

Now possibly, this could mean who would win, the Sailor Scouts or the Card Captors.

Now, if we are bassing this of the TV show (I am assuming so, so please correct me if I am wrong), I would say this...

Sakura (no matter how much I love her XD) can still only use one card at a time I believe. And Lee (Li?), he as well can only use the cards he has (if he even has any cards now... I can't recall...). Now there is still Julian Star (Yue) and Kero. And if you also want to include Ruby Moon and Spinner Sun as well as Eli Moon because they are in fact good at the end... There is also Meilin... but I doubt she would be helpful ^.^;

So that is... 2 beasties, 3 Clow Fighters and 2 Guardians for the total of 7 fighters.

Now then, we have Sailor Mars, Jupiter, Venus, Mercury and Moon. Then we have Tuxedo Mask, Sailor Uranis, Pluto, Neptune, Saturn and Chibi Moon. Each have at LEAST 2 attacks that are uber powerful... (sadly... not really Sailor Moon though... but hey! That is why she has the sailor scouts no?).

So that is 11 Fighters (unless you want to axe Uranis, Pluto, Neptune and Saturn then you would have 7 as well.)

SO on looking at the evidence and the way that they fight, you would THINK that eventually they would either have a stalemate. OR that because of the way the Sailor Scouts powers work... they would eventually tire out the Card Captors and be victorious...

It really all depends... XD

Either way, they both have similar fighting numbers, just their rules are different...

Miss Electric Moonlight
07-22-2006, 12:21 PM
Hmmm... back tracking along I re-read some of the arguements.

First off... I am in fact a girl, not a guy as most of you refer to me as.

Second, Quik, when you mentioned that I had no clue about anything sailormoon that is in fact false. I have watched every single season (maybe not that last one though...). However, I did watch this when I was in grade 6/7 for the most part.... which was 7 years ago... So some of my info may be a wee bit rusty ^.^;

However, (note I am really not taking sides...) I did notice that a large sum of Sailor Moons attacks were in fact healing type attacks... and that the other Sailor gals... And NOW for some fun research... because I am bored ^.^

Sailor Moon's Attacks:

Moon Tiara Magic
She says this when she converts her Moon Tiara into a discus-like weapon. At first, it was capable of destroying monsters. It is now used to knock down enemies, rather than destroying them.

Moon Tiara Action
This is Sailor Moon's attack where she throws her tiara like a frisbee.

Moon Tiara Stardust
This is Sailor Moon's attack where she throws her tiara like a frisbee. But in this case the tiara only sprays stardust on the opponent and doesn't hit them.

Moon Sceptre Elimination
She says this to use the power of the Moon Sceptre to eliminate her enemies. <--- This one was used to kill the monsters so woohoo XD

Sailor Moon Kick (Self Explanitory XD)

Moon Healing Activation
She says this when using the Cosmic Crescent Wand to convert monsters back into their original form (as normal Earth beings).

Moon Spiral Heart Attack
This is Sailor Moon's attack using the spiral heart moon rod. (I cant actually remember if this killed the monsters... or healed them ^.^;)

Now I am SURE I missed a buttload of them... so feel free to add on ^.^;

Butt back to the debate.

So here is what I am thinking... the question was "who would win, card captors or Sailor Moon".

Now possibly, this could mean who would win, the Sailor Scouts or the Card Captors.

Now, if we are bassing this of the TV show (I am assuming so, so please correct me if I am wrong), I would say this...

Sakura (no matter how much I love her XD) can still only use one card at a time I believe. And Lee (Li?), he as well can only use the cards he has (if he even has any cards now... I can't recall...). Now there is still Julian Star (Yue) and Kero. And if you also want to include Ruby Moon and Spinner Sun as well as Eli Moon because they are in fact good at the end... There is also Meilin... but I doubt she would be helpful ^.^;

So that is... 2 beasties, 3 Clow Fighters and 2 Guardians for the total of 7 fighters.

Now then, we have Sailor Mars, Jupiter, Venus, Mercury and Moon. Then we have Tuxedo Mask, Sailor Uranis, Pluto, Neptune, Saturn and Chibi Moon. Each have at LEAST 2 attacks that are uber powerful... (sadly... not really Sailor Moon though... but hey! That is why she has the sailor scouts no?).

So that is 11 Fighters (unless you want to axe Uranis, Pluto, Neptune and Saturn then you would have 7 as well.)

SO on looking at the evidence and the way that they fight, you would THINK that eventually they would either have a stalemate. OR that because of the way the Sailor Scouts powers work... they would eventually tire out the Card Captors and be victorious...

It really all depends... XD

Either way, they both have similar fighting numbers, just their rules are different...

I've already listed each one of sailormoon's attacks, etc .. but it went over mistacloudstrife's head.

Edit: LOL

we're talking about SAILOR MOON here - not chibimoon. Chibimoon 'shoots' little hearts .. sailormoon, I suppose shoots big ones, but not without other more powerful attacks.

[Please don't double post. -Reiako]

Treyu
07-22-2006, 12:38 PM
Oh, well I didn't backtrack THAT far XD... just to the more recent posts ^.^;

MistaCloudStrife
07-22-2006, 01:42 PM
So here is what I am thinking... the question was "who would win, card captors or Sailor Moon".

Now possibly, this could mean who would win, the Sailor Scouts or the Card Captors.

Now, if we are bassing this of the TV show (I am assuming so, so please correct me if I am wrong), I would say this...

Sakura (no matter how much I love her XD) can still only use one card at a time I believe. And Lee (Li?), he as well can only use the cards he has (if he even has any cards now... I can't recall...). Now there is still Julian Star (Yue) and Kero. And if you also want to include Ruby Moon and Spinner Sun as well as Eli Moon because they are in fact good at the end... There is also Meilin... but I doubt she would be helpful ^.^;

So that is... 2 beasties, 3 Clow Fighters and 2 Guardians for the total of 7 fighters.

Now then, we have Sailor Mars, Jupiter, Venus, Mercury and Moon. Then we have Tuxedo Mask, Sailor Uranis, Pluto, Neptune, Saturn and Chibi Moon. Each have at LEAST 2 attacks that are uber powerful... (sadly... not really Sailor Moon though... but hey! That is why she has the sailor scouts no?).

So that is 11 Fighters (unless you want to axe Uranis, Pluto, Neptune and Saturn then you would have 7 as well.)

SO on looking at the evidence and the way that they fight, you would THINK that eventually they would either have a stalemate. OR that because of the way the Sailor Scouts powers work... they would eventually tire out the Card Captors and be victorious...

It really all depends... XD

Either way, they both have similar fighting numbers, just their rules are different...You forgot Kaho, although she really wouldn't do much in battle. o.O

And I think you're underestimating Eriol, the reincarnation of Clow. He created the bell that can reset time so you can battle again. Kind of cheap in battle though.

And if you were to take the title literally, it would actually mean only Sakura since she obtains all of the Sakura cards at the end of the series.

If you mean ALL of the good guys ever in CCS then you'd have to add a whole lot more characters besides Kaho.

And just a note, Sakura can combine the cards powers. She's done so a few times in the series.

Quik
07-22-2006, 03:06 PM
Alright, let's take the time thing into consideration then. Serena needs to transform into Sailor Moon then correct? This of course takes "time" so therefore THIS is where Serena dies. Sakura uses "The Time" card and then... well, you can use your imagination here since there are endless ways to go about killing off someone using the cards.Wrong. Transforming takes no actual time. In actuality, the transformations are instant. As with attacks, the senshi's transformation sequences are also only there so we have something nice to look at. They've been shown to transform in an instant. If you're going to speak about Sailor Moon, make sure you've either seen your fair share of the anime, or know for sure what you're talking about. Now Sakura isnt already prepared either, she has to yell "Release!" in order for her key to expand into her duck wand. The little amount of time it takes for her key to change into the duck wand is about as much time it takes for Sailor Moon to transform. And as said, while Sakura is summoning a card, Sailor Moon is going to attack her then and there. Sakura is obviously defeated. Arguing this is useless as you know its true, and doing so is just your refusal to admit it

It's true that Sakura's magical powers can't fully utilize the potential of the Sakura Cards but by the last movie her magical powers are enough to use quite a few cards at one time. Either to combine or use one at a time.Yes, and in order for her to use multiple cards, she still needs to call out the name of each card before hitting them all at once them with her duck wand. Of course she'll do it quickly, but the facts still remains that it takes time her to summon a card, and for the monster to be released. The more card she decides to use, the more she's just leaving herself open for attack. Leaving yourself open against Sailor Moon equals dead man.

His quote has some truth to it. The majority of Sailor Moon's powers are used to cleanse. Simple as that.No, its not "simple as that", because that is not true. Actually, the majority of Sailor Moon's powers are used to kill. Throughout the first, second, third, and fourth season, she uses various weapons to kill enemies, with some healing here and there. The fifth season, StarS, is the only season where the strictly sticks to healing. And the reason for this is that her opponents needed healing, not killing. She has powers of healing, but she also has power of attacking. Just make sure you dont think "power- end" .The certain scepters that have used for healing, have the power to heal, but healing is not their only ability. The only reason she hardly ever actually attacked with those certain scepters, is because she didn't need to kill. So for example, Sailor Moon's Eternal Tier, which was mostly used for healing in the StarS season, was also used to attack enemy named Sailor Tin Nyanko.

And the Ginzuisho is another one of Sailor Moon's possesions that have been used for the cleansing of evil. very powerful, yes, but can it be used to attack someone who isn't evil?WRONG. The Ginzuisho is NOT "just another possession thats been used for cleansing of evil". Where on EARTH are you getting your info? Like I said, only talk about Sailor Moon if you know what your talking about. Sailor Moon has used the the Ginzuisho to kill Queen Metallia in the first season, to kill Death Phantom is the second season, to kill Snow Kaguya in the S movie, she used it to stop a huge speeding meteor from crashing into the Earth in the R movie, she's used it to kill [Sailor] Chaos in the StarS season, and again to resurrect a dead Earth from dark silence in the future that will become Crystal Tokyo, explained in the R season. And by Queen Serenity (Sailor Moon's mother), the Ginzuisho was used to seal away Queen Metalila (an evil force from the sun) and Queen Beryl (events of the past on the Silver Millennium Kingdom), slaughter a crapload of warriors, and send Sailor Moon and the other senshi a thousand years into the future on Earth to be reincarnated. The Ginzuisho is NOT just a tool for cleansing. Sailor Moon can use the Ginzuisho for anything she wishes, as long as she has the will to make it happen.

Well let's say it does. Then I suppose Sakura would have to use her most powerful Card. Formerly known as "The Nothing". Later known as "The Hope"... It's powers are equivalent to all of the Cards created by Clow and has the power to destroy the world. In fact, it would have if not for Sakura. You know what card it is right? The one that created big black balls and whatever the ball encompasses dissappears.

I believe this could rival the Ginzuisho.You're nuts. One, Its not as much what the card can do, as it is how it would fend, in this case, against Sailor Moon and her Ginzuisho. I think you're forgetting, The Hope in form is just girl with the powers that you've already described. She herself can be attacked, she can be killed. The Clow Card being are not invulnerable. And two, she doesn't stand a chance against the Ginzuisho. It may have its abilities, but it would only take quick second for Sailor Moon and Ginzuisho to seal that thing away, or completly obliterate it. And like I've said, Sakura would be dead before she even gets to summon a card.


EDIT: And I just wanted to add that in the manga of CCS it ends with Sakura as a Junior HIgh student meaning she has a higher level of magical powers. Perhaps she'll be catching up to Clow soon.Catching up to Clow Reed soon? LOL. Yeah, you're definitely nuts.

Quik
07-22-2006, 04:09 PM
They dont shoot little hearts.
http://www.animeforum.com/uploads/special_venus[1].gifhttp://www.animeforum.com/uploads/shabon_spray[1].gifhttp://www.animeforum.com/uploads/Eternal_Moon_Attacks[1].gifhttp://www.animeforum.com/uploads/mars_rmovie[1].gifhttp://www.animeforum.com/uploads/jupiterattack03[1].gif And thats nothing compared to when they get serious:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/tonytt16/Sailor%20Moon/Venus0.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/tonytt16/Sailor%20Moon/Mercury0.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/tonytt16/Sailor%20Moon/Moon0.png *note* Sailor Moon is KILLING in this picture. NOT healing.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/tonytt16/Sailor%20Moon/Mars0.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/tonytt16/Sailor%20Moon/Jupiter0.png

They're a very very dangerous team of girls.

MistaCloudStrife
07-22-2006, 04:46 PM
Wrong. Transforming takes no actual time. In actuality, the transformations are instant. As with attacks, the senshi's transformation sequences are also only there so we have something nice to look at. They've been shown to transform in an instant. If you're going to speak about Sailor Moon, make sure you've either seen your fair share of the anime, or know for sure what you're talking about. Now Sakura isnt already prepared either, she has to yell "Release!" in order for her key to expand into her duck wand. The little amount of time it takes for her key to change into the duck wand is about as much time it takes for Sailor Moon to transform. And as said, while Sakura is summoning a card, Sailor Moon is going to attack her then and there. Sakura is obviously defeated. Arguing this is useless as you know its true, and doing so is just your refusal to admit it
So you're saying that transforming and/or attacking takes her less time than the sentences she says during the transformaion/attack? For example, when she would say "Moon Prism Power" the actual transformation would happen sooner than when she says that? And the actual undressing then dressing actually happens in a blink of an eye?

So basically you're saying that "Release" takes longer than "Moon Prism Power"?

So where is this proof that Serena can instantly transform without saying anything and without the change of clothes. Perhaps you could find a section of an interview with the mangaka answering this question?

How exactly do you know they didn't add the transformation sequences to some battles because of the tiem it would take from the anime?

Example... Utena. They usually show the elevator and walking up steps scene. In some eps they cut it out. But with your logic, does that mean that the walking up the steps scene actually doesn't take any time at all?


Yes, and in order for her to use multiple cards, she still needs to call out the name of each card before hitting them all at once them with her duck wand. Of course she'll do it quickly, but the facts still remains that it takes time her to summon a card, and for the monster to be released. The more card she decides to use, the more she's just leaving herself open for attack. Leaving yourself open against Sailor Moon equals dead man.
No, its not "simple as that", because that is not true. Actually, the majority of Sailor Moon's powers are used to kill. Throughout the first, second, third, and fourth season, she uses various weapons to kill enemies, with some healing here and there. The fifth season, StarS, is the only season where the strictly sticks to healing. And the reason for this is that her opponents needed healing, not killing. She has powers of healing, but she also has power of attacking. Just make sure you dont think "power- end" .The certain scepters that have used for healing, have the power to heal, but healing is not their only ability. The only reason she hardly ever actually attacked with those certain scepters, is because she didn't need to kill. So for example, Sailor Moon's Eternal Tier, which was mostly used for healing in the StarS season, was also used to attack enemy named Sailor Tin Nyanko.
You're thinking it takes forever to summon up the card when all she really has to do is hit it with her star wand. The only actual time cosuming thing she has to do is wait for her key to transform into her wand. Hitting a card with a wand really doesn't take up much time. Perhaps you're thinking when she had to convert the Clow cards into Sakura cards and THEN use the card. She no longer needs to do this because all of the cards are now Sakura cards.

And here we go... I found this.

Sailor Moon
Moon Healing Escalation
Moon Prism Power
Moon Prism Power, Make-Up
Moon Tiara Action
Moon Tiara Stardust
Sailor Moon Kick
Luna Pen

Sailor Moon R
Moon Crystal Power
Moon Princess Halation
Sailor Moon Body Slam
Moon Crystal Power, Make-Up

Sailor Moon S
Crisis, Make-Up
Double Sailor Moon Kick
Moon Cosmic Power, Make-Up
Moon Spiral Heart Attack

Sailor Moon SuperS
Moon Crisis, Make-Up
Moon Gorgeous Meditation

Sailor Moon SailorStars
Moon Eternal, Make-Up
Silvermoon Crystal Power Kiss
Starlight Honeymoon Therapy Kiss

Looks like alot of transforming and healing tools to me.


WRONG. The Ginzuisho is NOT "just another possession thats been used for cleansing of evil". Where on EARTH are you getting your info? Like I said, only talk about Sailor Moon if you know what your talking about. Sailor Moon has used the the Ginzuisho to kill Queen Metallia in the first season, to kill Death Phantom is the second season, to kill Snow Kaguya in the S movie, she used it to stop a huge speeding meteor from crashing into the Earth in the R movie, she's used it to kill [Sailor] Chaos in the StarS season, and again to resurrect a dead Earth from dark silence in the future that will become Crystal Tokyo, explained in the R season. And by Queen Serenity (Sailor Moon's mother), the Ginzuisho was used to seal away Queen Metalila (an evil force from the sun) and Queen Beryl (events of the past on the Silver Millennium Kingdom), slaughter a crapload of warriors, and send Sailor Moon and the other senshi a thousand years into the future on Earth to be reincarnated. The Ginzuisho is NOT just a tool for cleansing. Sailor Moon can use the Ginzuisho for anything she wishes, as long as she has the will to make it happen.
You're nuts. One, Its not as much what the card can do, as it is how it would fend, in this case, against Sailor Moon and her Ginzuisho. I think you're forgetting, The Hope in form is just girl with the powers that you've already described. She herself can be attacked, she can be killed. The Clow Card being are not invulnerable. And two, she doesn't stand a chance against the Ginzuisho. It may have its abilities, but it would only take quick second for Sailor Moon and Ginzuisho to seal that thing away, or completly obliterate it. And like I've said, Sakura would be dead before she even gets to summon a card.
Read my quote again.


And the Ginzuisho is another one of Sailor Moon's possesions that have been used for the cleansing of evil. very powerful, yes, but can it be used to attack someone who isn't evil?
Never said that it was the only thing it could do. And again I ask... Can it be used againt someone who isn't evil? Has it been used against someone evil?

And yes... The Hope is a little girl... So? It's been alive for a pretty long time, the way it looks has nothing to do with what would happen to it. Oh look, it's a little girl, it can't do anything. And I think The Shield could even block whatever powers the Ginzushio dishes out, there's nothing The Shield couldn't block in the anime, including time.



Catching up to Clow Reed soon? LOL. Yeah, you're definitely nuts.Listen... What does it take to maintain the Sakura cards? They FEED off of her magical powers. That means basically FEEDING 53 cards, one of them having the power of 52 cards(BTW), AND Yue also needs to feed off her magical powers. Since Clow Reed was the one they fed off of(Not including The Hope), by the end of the anime her magical powers basically NEED to be somewhere along the lines of Clow Reed's.

You can't really tell how strong she is in Junior High since it doesn't show her fight or anything, but you already know her magical powers/abilities are greater than at the end of the last movie.

Miss Electric Moonlight
07-22-2006, 05:05 PM
So you're saying that transforming and/or attacking takes her less time than the sentences she says during the transformaion/attack? For example, when she would say "Moon Prism Power" the actual transformation would happen sooner than when she says that? And the actual undressing then dressing actually happens in a blink of an eye?I think that's what Quik is saying .. yes.


So where is this proof that Serena can instantly transform without saying anything and without the change of clothes. Perhaps you could find a section of an interview with the mangaka answering this question?The 'proof' is in the actual anime .. if you've ever watched it, which I don't think you have. It shows it right in the anime .. there is no need for a 'interview' with the mangaka, fans have figure this out for themselves.


Example... Utena. They usually show the elevator and walking up steps scene. In some eps they cut it out. But with your logic, does that mean that the walking up the steps scene actually doesn't take any time at all?I think Quik is right .. you are nuts.

There's a diffference between 'walking up steps' in utena (which was probably cut for TIME restraints), and making a transformation sequence to show how each senshi transforms. The sequence is for the viewer, it does not actually take the time it looks like it's taking. It's merely for show, the show is primarily for girls, girls like to see that kind of stuff .. it would be less interesting without the glamourous transformations. So the animators added the sequence.


Looks like alot of transforming and healing tools to me.Yes .. your point?



Never said that it was the only thing it could do. And again I ask... Can it be used againt someone who isn't evil? Has it been used against someone evil?
I thought Quik already answered this, but just incase you couldn't process it, i'll say it again:

Yes, the ginzuishou can be used against both NON evil AND evil. It can be used for anything - but since it's power is so great, it needs to be used ONLY in times of great need. If used to it's full extent, it can kill the user (like it did to queen serenity.) Usually, to sailormoon, it drains her energy or makes her pass out. I wouldn't use it to wash your car.

In the sailormoon S movie, sailormoon used it to grant luna's wish of becoming a human (more accurately, princess kaguya), and being with kakeru. She did it, but because of the strength of the wish, it drained her power. It wasn't nessasary to do this, but since sailormoon wanted luna to have her wish and knew what it was like when you can't be with someone you love, she did it just for her, sacrificing her strength for luna's happiness.

Why are you asking if it can be used against evil .. I thought we already established that it can?

Sailormoon uses the ginzuishou to transform in the R season (2nd power-up transformation), and against innocent humans who have been turned into monsters by the dark kingdom. When she uses it to 'cleanse' (along with the moon stick), it is because cleansing/healing, and not destroying, is needed. As long as her inner strength, desire and will is powerful enough, she can make it happen.

The ginzuishou is also a evolving, magical stone. It is not simply a piece of jewerly. It can grant the wishes of the user. This is why when sailormoon uses it to destroy/heal enemies, the powers of her fellow senshi (including chibimoon) add their powers to the crystal to make it more powerful, and along with all their wishes, is all their intent and will. If their will is to defeat the enemy, the crystal relfects that. If the will is to heal the enemy, the crystal reflects that.

The ginzuishou isn't just a 'weapon' - it's a powerful stone capable of doing anything the bearer wants. Hence the reason that the senshi were trying to guard it from the evil that wanted it so badly. Powerful evil + powerful crystal = big trouble.


The Shield could even block whatever powers the Ginzushio dishes out, there's nothing The Shield couldn't block in the anime, including time.In the cardcaptor sakura anime, yes. In the sailormoon-cardcaptor sakura universe, probably not. Like I've said before, when you combine two different anime universes, the same rules do not apply, because obviously, all anime has different rules.

Quik
07-22-2006, 06:35 PM
*Doesn't understand the laws of Sailor Moon transformations**sigh* What is hard to understand about this? She said "Moon Prism Power!", or whatever henshin phrase she wants, and turns into Sailor Moon. It takes about a second. Thats it. There is no "dressing and undressing", or anything else you threw out just for the sake of it. The "transformation sequences" are shown to us just for the sake of looking cool. This is common knowledge of the Sailor Moon anime. There have also been times where an enemy of close range was running at her, or throwing an attack at her, at which point she would transform. Now, lets pick a henshin... oh, I dont know, the Crystal Power henshin. She would quickly say "Moon Crystal Power!", and transform. They would show us her Crystal Power henshin sequence, which is 34 seconds long (http://youtube.com/watch?v=t4w4n0Q-5vA&search=moon%20crystal%20power) (note* that video is only her in the second season). After she finishes, the enemy has yet to catch her, an/or the enemy's attack has yet to hit her. They're still running, but from the same point they were at before the henshin sequence had started. Then she dodges or attacks the enemy, or dodges the enemy's attack. This shows that the henshin's take no actual time to undergo, and that the sequences are just there for our sake. The senshi have transformed right in front of an enemy trying to kill them, and I'm sure the enemy/the enemy's attack doesn't just stop for 34 seconds to "watch the pretty henshins", and then resume attacking when the henshins are complete. As for proof, thats your problem. You're the one who jumped into a vs discussion not know proper info abou the senshi. But if you want to see an example, Michiru (Sailor Neptune) shows this in one of the episodes in the S season. But you wouldn't know what I'm talking about because chances are you haven't really seen the anime, or else we wouldn't be having this side talk in the first place. So let this end here. I cant be anymore clear in explaining this. We're discussing Sailor Moon vs. Sakura, not henshins.

Oh, and the Utena is a totally different issue. Has nothing to do with the Sailor Moon transformation. Doesn't apply.


You're thinking it takes forever to summon up the card when all she really has to do is hit it with her star wand. The only actual time cosuming thing she has to do is wait for her key to transform into her wand. Hitting a card with a wand really doesn't take up much time. Perhaps you're thinking when she had to convert the Clow cards into Sakura cards and THEN use the card. She no longer needs to do this because all of the cards are now Sakura cards. No, I'm not thinking it takes forever. And no, not thinking of clow card conversion. I know that it doesn't take that much time to summon a card. But it certainly doesn't take a short amount of time. She has to take the card out and hit it, then wait a while for the monster to rise out of the card and attack. That is more than enough time for Sailor Moon to put an end to her. Like I said earlier, a simple Moon Tiara Action would do the trick. It travels very fast, and it would take but a second for Sailor Moon to pull her tiara off and throw it at Sakura with full with max power. And as I've already explained, that things hurts. Or if she wanted to be harsh, she'd blast Sakura with one of her much stronger scepters. Sakura would be dead before she could even summon a card, not to it actually attacking. That is what I'm saying. The battle is over.


And here we go... I found this.

*list of weapons and attacks*

Looks like alot of transforming and healing tools to me.

Are you seriously nuts? Probably not, but there was only one move that suggested healing, and that was "Moon Healing Escalation". Suggestiveness aside, there are ONLY three other healing moves in that list, and they are "Moon Tiara Stardust", "Silvermoon Crystal Power Kiss", "Starlight Honeymoon Therapy Kiss". All others are attacks. And what were you trying to prove anyway? I've already said that she can also attack with the weapons she uses to heal.


Never said that it was the only thing it could do. And again I ask... Can it be used againt someone who isn't evil? Has it been used against someone evil? Yes, Sailor Moon can use the Ginzuisho to attack someone who isnt evil. She wouldnt do that anyway though. But to answer your question, its a yes. And yes its been used against evil beings. Did you not read my list of occasions? So Sailor Moon CAN and WILL attack Sakura, with or without the Ginzuisho. If you think Sailor Moon can only use her moves and Ginzuisho on evil then you're officially branded nuts. She can use them one whatever and whoever she wants, yes, even Sakura. She just chooses to only use them to fight evil, obviously.


And yes... The Hope is a little girl... So? It's been alive for a pretty long time, the way it looks has nothing to do with what would happen to it. Oh look, it's a little girl, it can't do anything. And I think The Shield could even block whatever powers the Ginzushio dishes out, there's nothing The Shield couldn't block in the anime, including time.You dont understand. I'll say this AGAIN, Sakura would be defeated until she even summons a card. Now about the shield, I seriously doubt the Shield could stand the power of the Ginzuisho. Remember, The Shield is able to block ALMOST all magic and physical attacks. As extremely powerful as the Ginzuisho is, I dont see a The Shield blocking it. Even the if it did manage to block the Ginzuisho, it would definitely only be for a short amount of time before the Shield shatters. Its durability is not indefinite, though very very high, withstanding almost anything, but not the Ginzushio. But it doesn't matter anyway, Sakura is bye bye before she gets to summon a card.

And I only pointed out that The Hope is a young girl so that it would be understood that she could be harmed. Sailor Moon, her weapons, and especially the Ginzuisho could bring and end to her.



Listen... What does it take to maintain the Sakura cards? They FEED off of her magical powers. That means basically FEEDING 53 cards, one of them having the power of 52 cards(BTW), AND Yue also needs to feed off her magical powers. Since Clow Reed was the one they fed off of(Not including The Hope), by the end of the anime her magical powers basically NEED to be somewhere along the lines of Clow Reed's.No they dont. This is wishful thinking on your part.


You can't really tell how strong she is in Junior High since it doesn't show her fight or anything, but you already know her magical powers/abilities are greater than at the end of the last movie.Naturally.

MistaCloudStrife
07-22-2006, 08:43 PM
*sigh* What is hard to understand about this? She said "Moon Prism Power!", or whatever henshin phrase she wants, and turns into Sailor Moon. It takes about a second. Thats it. There is no "dressing and undressing", or anything else you threw out just for the sake of it. The "transformation sequences" are shown to us just for the sake of looking cool. This is common knowledge of the Sailor Moon anime. There have also been times where an enemy of close range was running at her, or throwing an attack at her, at which point she would transform. Now, lets pick a henshin... oh, I dont know, the Crystal Power henshin. She would quickly say "Moon Crystal Power!", and transform. They would show us her Crystal Power henshin sequence, which is 34 seconds long (http://youtube.com/watch?v=t4w4n0Q-5vA&search=moon%20crystal%20power) (note* that video is only her in the second season). After she finishes, the enemy has yet to catch her, an/or the enemy's attack has yet to hit her. They're still running, but from the same point they were at before the henshin sequence had started. Then she dodges or attacks the enemy, or dodges the enemy's attack. This shows that the henshin's take no actual time to undergo, and that the sequences are just there for our sake. The senshi have transformed right in front of an enemy trying to kill them, and I'm sure the enemy/the enemy's attack doesn't just stop for 34 seconds to "watch the pretty henshins", and then resume attacking when the henshins are complete. As for proof, thats your problem. You're the one who jumped into a vs discussion not know proper info abou the senshi. But if you want to see an example, Michiru shows this in one of the episodes in the S seasons. But you wouldn't know what I'm talking about because chances are you haven't really seen the anime, or else we wouldn't be having this side talk in the first place. So let this end here. I cant be anymore clear in explaining this. We're discussing Sailor Moon vs. Sakura, not henshins.


Oh, and the Utena is a totally different issue. Has nothing to do with the Sailor Moon transformation. Doesn't apply.
I was just making a point that although it takes a shorter amount of time SOMETIMES, you don't know "for sure" if they shortened the transformation because of time issues for the episode(or because of repetativeness) or they just made that transformations longer for looks. And remember just because she doesn't get attacked during the transformation doesn't mean it happens instantaneously. It might just mean, they didn't want to make that part of the anime realistic, since it would ruin the flow of the current situation. Alot of animes have unrealistic proportions of time.

Sakura hasn't gotten attacked during her key to wand transformation. So I could use your same logic to Sakura as well. You understand where I'm coming from?


No, I'm not thinking it takes forever. And no, not thinking of clow card conversion. I know that it doesn't take that much time to summon a card. But it certainly doesn't take a short amount of time. She has to take the card out and hit it, then wait a while for the monster to rise out of the card and attack. That is more than enough time for Sailor Moon to put an end to her. Like I said earlier, a simple Moon Tiara Action would do the trick. It travels very fast, and it would take but a second for Sailor Moon to pull her tiara off and throw it at Sakura. And as I've already explained, that things hurts. Or if she wanted to be harsh, she'd blast Sakura with one of her much stronger scepters. Sakura would be dead before she could even summon a card, not to it actually attacking. That is what I'm saying. The battle is over.
I understand where you're coming from, but really now. Taking out a card doesn't even take long. The cards can even move at her will, or even thier will. The cards are objects that actually think on thier own and they'd want to help thier master. It's not like she'd be there flipping through each card finding teh one she wants. It really wouldn't take all that long. Taking out a cards and hitting it may be faster than pulling off a projectile and throwing it. And the card turning into it's true form doesn't take long either. It automatically comes out and does it's job. Take for example, The Jump. When she summons it the wings on her ankles appear automatically, it doesn't take more than a second after the wand touches the card.


Are you seriously nuts? Probably not, but there was only one move that suggested healing, and that was "Moon Healing Escalation". Suggestiveness aside, there are ONLY three other healing moves in that list, and they are "Moon Tiara Stardust", "Silvermoon Crystal Power Kiss", "Starlight Honeymoon Therapy Kiss". All others are attacks. And what were you trying to prove anyway? I've already said that she can also attack with the weapons she uses to heal.
And transforming? And I already know she can attack, but you said there were more items/moves that killed rather than healed and transformed her.


Yes, Sailor Moon can use the Ginzuisho to attack someone who isnt evil. She wouldnt do that anyway though. But to answer your question, its a yes. And yes its been used against evil beings. Did you not read my list of occasions? So Sailor Moon CAN and WILL attack Sakura, with or without the Ginzuisho. If you think Sailor Moon can only use her moves and Ginzuisho on evil then you're officially branded nuts. She can use them one whatever and whoever she wants, yes, even Sakura. She just chooses to only use them to fight evil, obviously.

I was just asking a simple yes or no question, but alright.


You dont understand. I'll say this AGAIN, Sakura would be defeated until she even summons a card. Now about the shield, I seriously doubt the Shield could stand the power of the Ginzuisho. Remember, The Sheild is able to block ALMOST all magic and physical attacks. As extremely powerful as the Ginzuisho is, I dont see a The Shield blocking it. Even the if it did manage to block the Ginzuisho, it would definitely only be for a short amount of time before the Shield shatters. Its impenetrability is not indefinite. But it doesn't matter anyway, Sakura is bye bye before she gets to summon a card.
You mean "before" not "until"... Correct?

And The Shield's impenatrability isn't confirmed, but at the same time it still can be impenatrable. All we know is that it has broken from any physical or magical attacks in the entire anime.

This one is going to be left unanswered for obvious reasons.


And I only pointed out that The Hope is a young girl so that it would be understood that she could be harmed. Sailor Moon, her weapons, and especially the Ginzuisho could bring and end to her.
The Hope can be destroyed, but you don't know for sure that the Ginzuisho can destroy it. The ONLY reason Sakura stopped it was because she said she would be the cards friend and it would be with the other cards. The limit to the cards power hasn't been shown but when you think about what it's done in the movie and think about how strong all of the other cards are if they were to be combined you could get a pretty good idea.



No they dont. This is wishful thinking on your part.
No they don't? Want proof? Here we go... When Sakura first obtained her power over the stars. The Clow cards were dying because they've been living off of the power that Clow had left behind. They needed a new master and Sakura had to convert them. After they're converted they then feed off of Sakura's power.

And Yue. He was dying because Sakura couldn't support him, but before it was too late, Sakura's brother gave up his magical abilities in order to save him, or rather, Yue's counter-part. But at some point you know Touya's power is going to fade and he'll then have to live off of Sakura's power.

So basically by the time she's in junior high you know she's reached that sort of level(Clow's) since Yue and the cards aren't gone/destroyed from not enough magical power of thier master.

Miss Electric Moonlight
07-22-2006, 09:07 PM
I was just making a point that although it takes a shorter amount of time SOMETIMES, you don't know "for sure" if they shortened the transformation because of time issues for the episode(or because of repetativeness) or they just made that transformations longer for looks. And remember just because she doesn't get attacked during the transformation doesn't mean it happens instantaneously. It might just mean, they didn't want to make that part of the anime realistic, since it would ruin the flow of the current situation. Alot of animes have unrealistic proportions of time.


Yes, we know for sure the transformations are just for show. Being as since no enemies attack them while transforming, and because it's well, a cartoon, yes, that's how it is.

Oh, and FYI - it has nothing to do with being 'realistic'. The transformations are not realistic. They are anything but. The 'short' henshins in the sailormoon were most likely shortened for time. (And by 'time', I mean ACTUAL time of the episode.)

Quik
07-23-2006, 07:56 AM
I was just making a point that although it takes a shorter amount of time SOMETIMES, you don't know "for sure" if they shortened the transformation because of time issues for the episode(or because of repetitiveness) or they just made that transformations longer for looks. And remember just because she doesn't get attacked during the transformation doesn't mean it happens instantaneously. It might just mean, they didn't want to make that part of the anime realistic, since it would ruin the flow of the current situation. A lot of animes have unrealistic proportions of time.No. The transformations are pretty much instant. I'm surprised by some of the reasons that you've pulled out of the sky just because you dont feel like admitting that the sequences take no time. It does NOT take a shorter amount of time sometimes, the henshins are ALWAYS instant. They show us instant henshin, the real thing, in the anime. In the case of Card captor Sakura: when summoning a card, sometimes she does an entire performance, twisting her wand around and reciting an entire speech before saying "Windy!" (or whatever card she wants to use) and hitting the card with her wand, and other times she'll just throw out the card say, say its name and hit it. I suppose now you'll be telling me they might of "shortened it" because of episode length issues? No, thats not the case. She doesn't actually need to do an entire performance to summon a card. Its the same deal with the senshi's transformations. A long drawn out transformation is not needed nor required to go from a to b. Most of the time they show us a henshin sequence, rarely, mostly on needed occasions, do they show the actual real henshin, but that doesn't change the constant that the henshins take no time. And I think you may of misunderstood me in my previous post. The henshin are NOT of shorter length sometimes, they are always instant. However, if you meant that they would "shorten" the "sequences" (NOT the henshins themselves, because they're instant) to save times in the actual episode at times, then you'd be right, being that on occasions they might only show the first or second half the sequences. Either way, it makes no difference. The henshin themselves are instant. Either we see a sequence or we dont.

Anyway, listen to yourself. You're saying that we dont have the common sense to know whether or not Sailor Moon, a soldier who is destined to fight evil, is gifted with a 36 second transformation. In the midst of battle, and she needed to transform to fight, according to you there could actually be a possibility that her destiny as a soldier laid upon her 36 seconds of being wide open to be attacked and killed by enemies. How very convenient. And this is a warrior who is supposed to defend the Earth, yet there may very well be a chance that before she can fight she has to go through 36 seconds of "Hey! I'm just sitting here dancing around! Come take this incredibly odd opportunity and kill me know before I become a threat to you!". Seriously. Its not episode length issues, the henshins themselves are instant, transformation sequences are for show. It

The most I can tell you is to go watch every season of Sailor Moon, then come talk to me and moonlightkisu about henshins. The deal with Sailor Uranus and Neptune, it is never directly said that they are lesbian lovers, but the anime makes it perfectly clear to the viewer that they are. Its the exact same deal with the henshins. In the full five seasons of the Sailor Moon, the anime makes it perfectly clear to the viewer, in many more ways than one, that henshins take no time.

And saying that the creators "didn't want to make that part of the anime realistic since it would ruin the situation" is just a dressed up way of saying "they cant be attacked during transformations because they're instant, and the sequences are just there too look cool". Maybe you didn't realize that.


I understand where you're coming from, but really now. Taking out a card doesn't even take long. The cards can even move at her will, or even their will. The cards are objects that actually think on their own and they'd want to help their master. It's not like she'd be there flipping through each card finding the one she wants. It really wouldn't take all that long. Taking out a cards and hitting it may be faster than pulling off a projectile and throwing it. And the card turning into it's true form doesn't take long either. It automatically comes out and does it's job. Take for example, The Jump. When she summons it the wings on her ankles appear automatically, it doesn't take more than a second after the wand touches the card.Go into your room pick up a stick and an index card. Now, throw the card onto your dresser, then put that hand onto the stick so that both you hands are on it, rise it above your head, and slam the stick onto the card. Do this EXACTLY as Sakura does it, and do it as fast as you can. Got that?
Now, put a frisbee on your head (its the closest thing to Sailor Moon's tiara). Then go back into your room and throw the frisbee at your wall. Do this as fast as you can. Notice the times it takes to execute each move? Yes, Sakura will definitely be fast about it, but Sailor Moon can attack with her Moon Tiara Action much more easily and more quickly, and the actual tiara attack itself moves very fast. It doesn't take a genius to realize that Sakura would be hit with the tiara, or the power of a scepter, or God forbid, blasted by the Ginzuisho before she could even summon a card. Sakura loses.

Now, a few cards (the "small" ones), they react immediately like you said (and the Jump card has a direct effect on her herself anyway, and so do some of her others cards, so naturally I wouldn't be talking about them). For most of her others, they do NOT automatically come out and do their job. Did you miss the part is almost every episode where they have to rise up out of the card, THEN do their job? True, it doesn't take long, but nonetheless, the time it does take, along with the time it takes for Sakura to first summon the card, in comparison to the time it takes for Sailor Moon to attack, and for her attack to reach Sakura, puts Sakura at a loss. Sailor Moon can attack much faster than Sakura could.

And no, taking out a cards and hitting it is most certainly not faster than pulling off a tiara and throwing it. She throws her tiara is like a frisbee. It only takes a second to throw a frisbee as fast as you can, which is easier and faster then taking out and card and hitting it as fast as you can.


And transforming? And I already know she can attack, but you said there were more items/moves that killed rather than healed and transformed her.No, not transforming. And I never said anything about her weapons being able to transform her.


The Hope can be destroyed, but you don't know for sure that the Ginzuisho can destroy it. The ONLY reason Sakura stopped it was because she said she would be the cards friend and it would be with the other cards. The limit to the cards power hasn't been shown but when you think about what it's done in the movie and think about how strong all of the other cards are if they were to be combined you could get a pretty good idea.Yes I do know for sure that the Ginzuisho can destroy it. Hope has the power to some serious damage. Thats nice, but as you and I know it can also be destroyed. It can be destroyed, and the Ginzuisho is much more than powerful enough to do it. Thats like me saying, "Yeah, Hope can make anything it touches disappear, but you dont know for sure if it would work on Sailor Moon", Of course you do. Sailor Moon isnt resistant to a giant existence sucking ball. Sailor Moon can be sucked up, and Hope has more then enough power to do so.

Now all of that was considering that Sailor Moon didnt fight back, it still proves my point though. But, when Sailor Moon fights, the Ginzuisho takes out Hope easily. It can be done, "for sure".

No they don't? Want proof? Here we go... When Sakura first obtained her power over the stars. The Clow cards were dying because they've been living off of the power that Clow had left behind. They needed a new master and Sakura had to convert them. After they're converted they then feed off of Sakura's power.

And Yue. He was dying because Sakura couldn't support him, but before it was too late, Sakura's brother gave up his magical abilities in order to save him, or rather, Yue's counter-part. But at some point you know Touya's power is going to fade and he'll then have to live off of Sakura's power.

So basically by the time she's in junior high you know she's reached that sort of level(Clow's) since Yue and the cards aren't gone/destroyed from not enough magical power of their master.Sorry, none of that info proves that Sakura is near Clow's level by junior high. Its just saying that the dying cards, who had previously been living on the power Clow left them, needed to new master in order to survive, and Sakura made them her new master. Doesn't prove anything. You're making it out to mean more than it actually does. Unless it is shown that the cards needed a certain amount of power, a very high amount of power that could only be given from Clow, then that would prove something, as Sakura would have to have at least that much power to support the cards. But its not shown and chances are its false anyway.

And dont overdue it about Yue. In no way in the slightest does it suggest that Touya's power will fade away again, and that Yue will get the power he needs from Sakura. As is shown, after he got power from Toya, he was as good as new, and would never end up in that kind of situation again. Yue was dying because Sakura's power couldn't support him, NOT because he was losing power that Sakura didn't have for him. There's a difference. So to say that by junior high Sakura is near Clow's level just because he is still alive is not true. He didn't need Sakura power, Sakura power couldn't support him. Thats why he was dying, and all was saved when Toya came to the rescue. Saying "at some Touya's power will fade" is also wishful thinking, and false.

dHaRmA
07-30-2006, 01:25 AM
i tHinK cArdcAptOr wiLL wiN hAviNg mOsT oF tHe nEeDed eLemEnts iN fiGhtiNg..

:)

Black knight jason
08-01-2006, 05:26 PM
id say cardcaptors

Chaux
08-02-2006, 08:19 PM
i dunno , i like ccs better........
lol, i think sakura might win...
-_-

Not~A-Sasuke~Fangirl
08-06-2006, 11:37 AM
Well...I have not read the previous posts but i do belive Card Captor Sakura would win because she has many chices of attacks aswell as a good defence she should win because she is a little more quicker too but it will be tough to beat SM because she is expirenced more tough things then sakura but Sakura has many choices of attacks and her attacks are strong!

Prons
08-07-2006, 01:28 AM
Sailor Moon wins, less loli.

Master Ninja Aldj
08-07-2006, 03:18 AM
I say Cardcaptors...I got really into that....

Dark_Chii
08-10-2006, 12:34 PM
I think Card Captors will win because sakura has magical card which are powerful and greater in number but I kinda like SM the anime betta!