who would win

[super trunks]

who would win in a alchemy fight edward or his little brother.

[AnimeLegend!713]

Ed of course.I haven't seen Alphonse do a lot of alchemy before.(that's because I miss a lot of episodes)

[Vagary]

Uh, well I would have to go with Ed. No reason.....I jus kinda like Ed more than I like Al. ^_^

[super trunks]

lets just start a edward elric fan club
:groupwave :groupwave:groupwave :groupwave :groupwave :groupwave
GO FULL METAL

[AnimeLegend!713]

I wanna join the Edward Elric Fan Club!YAY!!!

[super trunks]

lol ok im gonna start a thread about it if you wanna join just post

[MistaCloudStrife]

Ed is strong but so is Al... And inthe movie, Al can do more things than Ed can... He can fix a part of his soul onto objects in order to control them...

They can both do the "No Chalk" alchemy...
They both passed the written entrance exam in order to be an Alchemist...
They both learn fast...

But Al still has the soul fixing Alchemy....

And Ed has.... A metal arm and leg...(This could either be a big advantage or big disadvantage)

[super trunks]

ya but al is just a big hunk of metal all his body really does is block attack but this is also a advantage/disadvantage

[harakiri]

I'm not so sure.But I kinda think Ed would win....

[super trunks]

Thats Right Go Ed Go Ed Wot Wot

[Darrmyth]

I go with al because everyone loves Ed

[super trunks]

Aethor storm dont say that your scaring me

[KidCash]

A I would have 2 go with Ed. But, dont get me wrong Al is strong 2. But I just think Ed would win.

[MistaCloudStrife]

ya but al is just a big hunk of metal all his body really does is block attack but this is also a advantage/disadvantage
*spoiler?*

He gets his body back... i'm talking about Ed and Al from Full Metal Alchemist: Conqueror of Shamballa...

Not Ed and Al from the series...

Al isnt made of metal but he can still fix a portion of his soul onto items and such...

[The Governator]

im goin with wittle al, im stepin out the crowd and what mista said sounds like a pretty good advantage

[nomed]

Ed:banghead: Duh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

stupid:<_<:

[MistaCloudStrife]

Oh yes, and I would also like to add that Al was always better than Ed in hand to hand combat...

[Heaven's Cloud]

Edward cause hes the only one ive seen do alchemy

[super trunks]

I'm so stupid I never said who will win

GO EDWARD YOU ROCK

[-Shizu-]

I agree with heavens cloud. ^^

[katrina_survivor]

Ed would win cause he can do alchemy without a circle and plus he's just more talented.

[super trunks]

Al can do "no sigh alchemy"too

[ChaoticVincent]

I would think Ed would win if they where going all out and like hated each other seeing how it could try to transmulte(sp?) al half way and blow off half of his body like he did that other suit of armor.

[Faceless111]

I'd put money on Ed. Sure, in sparring Al would win, but we're talking alchemy. Ed can do it without a circle, where as Al can't.

[ChaoticVincent]

Yeah in a normal duel Al would win but in all out duel with alchemcy Ed would win easily.

[†-Wrath-†]

Hm...
Between a Alchemy Fight: Edward or Alphonse..
Let's see..
In my opinion I think Edward would win, because he is more skilled in his Alchemy
But, Alphonse *spoiler* Can also do Alchemy without a transmutation Circle..
...I can't choose because, this is like a "Never can tell" Alchemic Battle.

P.S)Edward Would be my choice..

[Uchiha Ulquiorra]

Well If it's later in the series I would say Al because.. Uh nevermind... I don't want to give any spoilers out.. Right now in the series Ed would win in an alchemy fight and Al would win in a Hand to hand fight.

[Star Alchemist]

Um... I think Ed has better hand to hand combat skills.

But if you saw the movie...

Alphonse gained all of Izumi's knowledge, learning everything she knew.


But... Alphonse never actually saw the gate, like Ed did... So if you could see Alphonse has two transmutation circles on his gloves in his movie.


I don't know... I think Alphonse is awesome in the movie.



Edit: Later on in the series, Ed and Al had an Alchemic fight (Kinda) But I think it was somewhat of a tie.

[NVLM_ZK]

Hmmm.......I confused topic alls.

Ed???????????

[Phazon_2005]

it would be ed

[Chaos Master Dark]

A fight as in "Flame vs. Fullmetal" type fight or
Alchemic street fight?

FvF: Al
Alchemic Street fight: ed.

[kaugra]

I think, Ed would win.

[_Sesshomaru_]

i agree, i think ed would win, no transmutation circle baby:p

[_Sesshomaru_]

i agree, i think ed would win, no transmutation circle babyhttp://animeforum.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[MistaCloudStrife]

But... Alphonse never actually saw the gate, like Ed did... So if you could see Alphonse has two transmutation circles on his gloves in his movie.
Actually he DID see the gate... He had part of his soul in that suit of armor when he went to the other world teh first time... So in the movie he DID see the gates... Twice actually...

[Star Alchemist]

Actually he DID see the gate... He had part of his soul in that suit of armor when he went to the other world teh first time... So in the movie he DID see the gates... Twice actually...

You're right, I was being vague in a sense. He did not see the gate through his own safrice, which would allow him to not use a circle when doing transmutations the first time, he used Gluttony and Wrath as a spring but they wouldnt be classified as human transmutation seeing as how they have no souls. And the second time, another dimensional portal also known as the gate was opened where he passed through at the end of the series... But many people saw that gate, so I dont think it would classify as gaining knowledge.


So in what degree would it be of seeing the gate? Having your soul pass through it? Having your body pass through it? Or just seeing it through human transmutation?

Maybe I should be more specific next time.

[MistaCloudStrife]

You're right, I was being vague in a sense. He did not see the gate through his own safrice, which would allow him to not use a circle when doing transmutations the first time, he used Gluttony and Wrath as a spring but they wouldnt be classified as human transmutation seeing as how they have no souls. And the second time, another dimensional portal also known as the gate was opened where he passed through at the end of the series... But many people saw that gate, so I dont think it would classify as gaining knowledge.


So in what degree would it be of seeing the gate? Having your soul pass through it? Having your body pass through it? Or just seeing it through human transmutation?

Maybe I should be more specific next time.
Seeing the gate itself shows you all of the information from the other world(Our world)... Something from that information makes it so that you won't have to use a transmutation circle(If youre an alchemist)...

So I don't think the way you got to see the gate makes a difference...

[Star Alchemist]

Seeing the gate itself shows you all of the information from the other world(Our world)... Something from that information makes it so that you won't have to use a transmutation circle(If youre an alchemist)...

So I don't think the way you got to see the gate makes a difference...
Well if that were the case and it didnt make a difference, then Alphonse wouldnt need a circle when his soul was bounded to the suit of armor.

And I don't think that nazi lady (Diluende) wasn't an Alchemist, and when she poassed through the gate, she instantly got grasp of Alchemy (And she wasnt even an Alchemist. But through Professor Elrics Death, she was able to gain his knowledge thus passing through the gate.)


So by example, until proven differently, everyone who able to not use a circle when performing Alchemy did it by making a human transmutation, thus losing something of their own in order to gain the knowledge. (Professor Elric, Izumi, Dante, Ed, Diluende[exception].)

[MistaCloudStrife]

Well if that were the case and it didnt make a difference, then Alphonse wouldnt need a circle when his soul was bounded to the suit of armor.

And I don't think that nazi lady (Diluende) wasn't an Alchemist, and when she poassed through the gate, she instantly got grasp of Alchemy (And she wasnt even an Alchemist. But through Professor Elrics Death, she was able to gain his knowledge thus passing through the gate.)


So by example, until proven differently, everyone who able to not use a circle when performing Alchemy did it by making a human transmutation, thus losing something of their own in order to gain the knowledge. (Professor Elric, Izumi, Dante, Ed, Diluende[exception].)
Wasn't Alphonse unconsious during that time?? You can't possibly learn when youre knocked out. He fainted and woke up with Ed in front of him... And just because you have the knowledge doesn't mean u can do the "no circle" thing just yet... It took Ed a while to find out about it... First on accident and then another time as a first time fluke...

It was proven at the end of the series that eqivalent trade was totally false... You didn't need to trade something of equivalent value to gain the knowledge of the other world... So Al wouldn't really need to trade anything for that knowledge...

And that woman who could immediatly use alchemy without the circle.... She was born in the other world... Those alchemists who used the "no circle" thing, needed to see the other world and it's knowledge in order to do that... But since she was born there and already knows all of that knowledge don't you think it should come natural to her?

And at the end of the series, you see people trying to do alchemy but of course they can't... So they all know what to do, but alchemy just won't work in thier world... But they still "know" what to do... I believe she was one of those people.

[Star Alchemist]

Wasn't Alphonse unconsious during that time?? You can't possibly learn when youre knocked out. He fainted and woke up with Ed in front of him... And just because you have the knowledge doesn't mean u can do the "no circle" thing just yet... It took Ed a while to find out about it... First on accident and then another time as a first time fluke...

It was proven at the end of the series that eqivalent trade was totally false... You didn't need to trade something of equivalent value to gain the knowledge of the other world... So Al wouldn't really need to trade anything for that knowledge...

And that woman who could immediatly use alchemy without the circle.... She was born in the other world... Those alchemists who used the "no circle" thing, needed to see the other world and it's knowledge in order to do that... But since she was born there and already knows all of that knowledge don't you think it should come natural to her?

And at the end of the series, you see people trying to do alchemy but of course they can't... So they all know what to do, but alchemy just won't work in thier world... But they still "know" what to do... I believe she was one of those people.

Well... According to the end of the series, the principle of equivalent trade was proven to be correct because the boys were journeying for so long (As professor elric said) So thats why Ed was able to bring Alphonse back.

And I don't think we was unconcious, because his eyes were wide open when his body was being sent across the gate...

Well there is a possibillity that you could be right about Diluende, but the fact remains, she would still need knowledge of the Hagaren world to do Alchemy, seeing as how it isnt totally one sided. But yet a mixture of the two worlds.

True, but they were still able to open a portal into the Hagren world through the death of Professor Elric and through Envy... But how would this lady know of the other side of the gate? Through Ed? Envy? or even Professor Elric? It still remains to be a question.

[MistaCloudStrife]

Well... According to the end of the series, the principle of equivalent trade was proven to be correct because the boys were journeying for so long (As professor elric said) So thats why Ed was able to bring Alphonse back.

And I don't think we was unconcious, because his eyes were wide open when his body was being sent across the gate...

Well there is a possibillity that you could be right about Diluende, but the fact remains, she would still need knowledge of the Hagaren world to do Alchemy, seeing as how it isnt totally one sided. But yet a mixture of the two worlds.

True, but they were still able to open a portal into the Hagren world through the death of Professor Elric and through Envy... But how would this lady know of the other side of the gate? Through Ed? Envy? or even Professor Elric? It still remains to be a question.
No actually, its not really true... Its not equivalent trade when he brought Al back... It isn't true because Al gets his memories back and they are reunited...(In the movie)... I wouldn't really call that equal... They prolly just said that it was an "eqivalent" trade because they're used to that saying... There are too many thing that aren't eqivalent to say that it was proven correct.

And she most like got the information on the world of alchemy through the gate... If teh gate represents a medium for the two worlds, then the information thing should work both ways....

And she prolly got the info on the gate through Hohenhiem or someone who got information from him... Its the most logical explination...

[Star Alchemist]

No actually, its not really true... Its not equivalent trade when he brought Al back... It isn't true because Al gets his memories back and they are reunited...(In the movie)... I wouldn't really call that equal... They prolly just said that it was an "eqivalent" trade because they're used to that saying... There are too many thing that aren't eqivalent to say that it was proven correct.

And she most like got the information on the world of alchemy through the gate... If teh gate represents a medium for the two worlds, then the information thing should work both ways....

And she prolly got the info on the gate through Hohenhiem or someone who got information from him... Its the most logical explination...
It isn't true..? Well seeing as how they said that in the series. And I don't know at what point you're talking about where it was proven for Alchemy's first law to not be true. Seeing as how Honenheim said that the 4 years the boys travled was equivalent exchange enough.

And her most likely getting the information soon as she passed through the gate is an assumption seeing as how not everyone can use Alchemy or even believe in it.

And her prolly getting information from prefessor elric is yet another assumption. Which isn't to be proven, so it isnt fact. And its obvious that neither you or me know. And we both will not know until the sub comes out of the movie, or the English version hits in.

[Zeke Arcadia]

who would win in a alchemy fight edward or his little brother.

This is stupid and pointless. Ed is the FMA is he not? The best there is? Ed would win.

[NVLM_ZK]

Especially, is when an opposite thing is said, it "Al"?

[MistaCloudStrife]

It isn't true..? Well seeing as how they said that in the series. And I don't know at what point you're talking about where it was proven for Alchemy's first law to not be true. Seeing as how Honenheim said that the 4 years the boys travled was equivalent exchange enough.

And her most likely getting the information soon as she passed through the gate is an assumption seeing as how not everyone can use Alchemy or even believe in it.

And her prolly getting information from prefessor elric is yet another assumption. Which isn't to be proven, so it isnt fact. And its obvious that neither you or me know. And we both will not know until the sub comes out of the movie, or the English version hits in.
Does this mean you haven't seen the subs for the movie?? Youre a bit late... They've been out for about a month now... ^_~

Of course i was stating opinions... Obviously if i say "prolly" and words such as that... I don't see why you'd need to bold it when it's pretty obvious that its my opinion...

Anyways I'd have to take a look at the movie again to confirm a couple things...

But you can't really believe what Hohenhiem said about "thier 4 years travelling" is the trade... It's obviously something a father would say to his son... And such a trade doesn't really make such sense since the trade was thier 4 years together... This means Al forgetting about everything and starting over... Yet in the end of the movie he gets his memory back(well he slowly is)... If he got it back, wouldn't that mean the trade wasn't really equivalent? He didn't trade anything for his memories back did he? No, he didn't... This contradicts what was said in the end of the series... So either Hohenhiem was lying or they made a big mistake in the movie giving back Al's memories...

[Star Alchemist]

Does this mean you haven't seen the subs for the movie?? Youre a bit late... They've been out for about a month now... ^_~

Of course i was stating opinions... Obviously if i say "prolly" and words such as that... I don't see why you'd need to bold it when it's pretty obvious that its my opinion...

Anyways I'd have to take a look at the movie again to confirm a couple things...

But you can't really believe what Hohenhiem said about "thier 4 years travelling" is the trade... It's obviously something a father would say to his son... And such a trade doesn't really make such sense since the trade was thier 4 years together... This means Al forgetting about everything and starting over... Yet in the end of the movie he gets his memory back(well he slowly is)... If he got it back, wouldn't that mean the trade wasn't really equivalent? He didn't trade anything for his memories back did he? No, he didn't... This contradicts what was said in the end of the series... So either Hohenhiem was lying or they made a big mistake in the movie giving back Al's memories...

Damnit... You've seen the subs!?!? Awww, you gotta tell me where.

Well... The trade would also be Ed giving his own life for Al's to come back across the gate. And by getting back his memory would just be pretty unexplained because Alpohonse has always had the same soul that went through the experiences, just a different body. So one of your conclusions can be correct. But I don't think Honenheim wasn't lying due to Ed being able to bring Alphonse back across the gate. So I agree with the movie making a mistake by giving him his memory back, but we all wanted to see him and how he would respond to Ed being around with all of his memories returned.

[Kyouken]

Ed because he has a cool metal arm and leg, which makes him faster. Al is too heavy in that suit of armour.

[skitzophreak]

i would have to say ed

[Mr. blue-reddragoon]

alchemy fight

[-Ziggy-]

I'd say ed. his alchemy skill are better.

[ryku isaigana]

I think Ed would win because he is a state alchemist and is more advanced in alchemy then his younger brother, Al. Al could have a chance at winning also since Edward never beat Al in a match on fighting. Huh...

[bug]

Ed. He knows more about alchamy and doesnt need a circle to use alchamy.

[Dosu-Ichigo]

Ed. He IS the FullMetal Alchemist.

[DarkMoonPrince]

I would say that Edward would win, But Al does have strong alchemy considering that he's the stone and what i've seen the last episode, So sad though.