EVAs or gundams?

[Dark-Scar]

sorry if this has been done before, but i was just thinking that...EVAS ARE SOOOOOOO MUCH BETTER THAN GUNDAMS. so i decided to make a thread of it. anyone got any views on the matter?

[mimichan1000]

i neon genesis evangelion too!

[The Governator]

well of course an EVA is better than a Gundam, i mean were gundams built to face an enemy that could wipe out the entire human race?

[ichhy]

haha.. of course EVAS MUCH better than gundams :duel:

[Dark-Scar]

no Gundam lovers...i suppose they no were right. Eva's are soooo much better though, the are sooo smooth and streamlined, unlike gundams, big boxy-things

[The Governator]

i like Gundams, but i aslo like EVAs i just think an EVA is more powerfull that a gundam

[Dark-Scar]

o rite, wanna no sumthin??? i have never seen gundam, but i've heard of them and they don't sound as good

[Starkwynd]

An EVA would kill everything and everyone. Don't care what gundam it is or how many there are, Unit 01 and even Unit 02 could most likely take them all out with ease.

[Darth Tyranus]

Both are nightmares of logical designs, but i think giant robots in general are idiotic. And this has to be the most lop sided fight ever a gundam would out right destroy an EVA. For starters there weapons are more advanced last time a checked beam rifles beat bullets. And gundams never needed an ambicle cord to stay running, not to mention they can fly. So gundams win this fight no contest.

[Zellianne Zettle]

Yup and some Gundams Double X*cough , Strike-Freedom *cough, can Kick EVA *** 24/7 Especially w/METEOR...
Oh and you forgot something, the Pilots of Gundams are Newtypes. Psychicly powerful Humans with the Ability to stir-fry brains of their opponents. Then You have the SEEDtypes who have extreme reflexes which even make the evas look like they're moving in slo-mo, and oh... FOrgot G-Gundam where a single Gundam Fighter w/o his MS could destroy another Mobile Suit, oh... Forgot About Turn-A that can Destroy all Technology... Forgot about ZZ-Gundam which can make EVA's look like nothing in comparison w/ it's sheer FirePower, Gundam Double X which can Destroy a whole Asteroid if it Wanted to... Strike Freedom Gundam Which can Destroy whole armies in minutes...In the end... EVAS ARE OVERRATED, THEY'RE NOT EVEN A GOOD MATCH against the NEWTYPES OF UC... THE GUNDAM SERIES THAT NO ONE BOTHERS TO WATCH...

Why do you be-little gundam, I'll Tell you why? Because most of your population only watches Gundam Wing and Lives and dies watching that crap-filled Gundam Series called Wing. You can't tell me that most Gundam's heve the same abilities as those on Wing, There are far more Powerful MS's in Gundam. So pls not focus on WING.

[Darth Tyranus]

Even if you focus on wing the robots are just stronger than evas no contest.

[Starkwynd]

Nothing a Gundam has could even touch an EVA through it's AT field. Even if through some miracle it could, the EVA has defensive armor that makes gundanium and phase shift look like paper. Plus if they ever manage to get that far and damage the EVA, it can regenerate itself.

Nu-Gundam, Strike Freedom, Infinate Justice, Wing Zero, none of them would stand a chance.

Not to mention the fact that EVA's not only have regular projectile weapons but Nerv also has energy/beam weapons available for the EVA's. And even without, an EVA can manipulate it's own AT field into a weapon and hit it's target wherever it is.

Plus Unit 01 has an S2 engine, so theres an infinate supply of power.

Yea, gundam fights look cooler, but that's about it, they are designed to fight other (fragile by comparison) mobile suits and conventional units. In a real battle they wouldn't last 2 minutes against an EVA.

[Darth Tyranus]

I wouldn't give that AT field a lot of credit since the angels managed to brake them several times. And Rayes shield didn't do much against that bomb did it? Yeah that's what i thought. The evas aren't gods they can get destroyed just like any other mech. And where did you get that "makes gundanium look like paper" crap any way?

[Starkwynd]

They got through the EVA's AT field the same way that the EVA's got through theirs, they manipulate the AT field to cancel out the other.

Think of it in terms of waves, when you overlap a sin wave with it's inverted wave, they are both canceled. Gundams can't generate an AT field, so they can't cancel it, they have to go through it, which would take a lot more evergy than what they can produce.

Also, in the battle with Ramiel, the EVA's armor alone withstood his high velocity particle beam for a few seconds. The same beam pretty much disintigrated the building it shot through, and I'd bet it would have gone through a gundam just as easy.

EDIT-Oh yea and the armor is also a restraint system to keep the EVA from breaking out and becoming self-aware.

[Nineteenth]

Rei's shield was'nt tapped into untill the very, very, very ,very end, hence why she was killed like kenny.

Once again, we're dealing with opposed physics. @_@
Gundams are paper, when you consider the flesh-metal physics of Evas; Gundams need exensive repairs and repainting while a Eva can simply regenerate/ be repaired at the same time in a matter of days , whatever they really do to them.

Opposed Physics once more when you consider the obvious long range abilities of Gundams and the Evas. Eva's don't really carry self charged long range weaponry do they? They have range and energy limitations , such as stealing the entire powergrid for ONE shot.
While, gundams never seem to have range or energy limitations (with the exception of Space-Only and Earth-Only Mobile Suits.)
Tactical Wise : Evas have far greater movement and flexablity than a gundam due to their organic nature, which mean close range combat would be out of the question for a gundam. A eva would seriously, just rip the head off the gundam and beat it with it. Things with posable fingers can do that.

Lastly.. Size does matter. .Evas > All Gundams except Psycho (too big for it's own damned good.) and Nueve ( I call it a gundam.) #_#

Physics once more when it comes to AT Fields.
The Gundams don't need to generate one when the pilots can generate one . Now, if they could make one it ,would apply mostly to G-Gundam and Turn-A Gundam and new types.

[Darth Tyranus]

I forgot how big evas are, mainly becase there size really seems to change depending on what is called for at the event in the show. (got to love that dedication to continuity!)

[The Governator]

Yup and some Gundams Double X*cough , Strike-Freedom *cough, can Kick EVA *** 24/7 Especially w/METEOR...
Oh and you forgot something, the Pilots of Gundams are Newtypes. Psychicly powerful Humans with the Ability to stir-fry brains of their opponents. Then You have the SEEDtypes who have extreme reflexes which even make the evas look like they're moving in slo-mo, and oh... FOrgot G-Gundam where a single Gundam Fighter w/o his MS could destroy another Mobile Suit, oh... Forgot About Turn-A that can Destroy all Technology... Forgot about ZZ-Gundam which can make EVA's look like nothing in comparison w/ it's sheer FirePower, Gundam Double X which can Destroy a whole Asteroid if it Wanted to... Strike Freedom Gundam Which can Destroy whole armies in minutes...In the end... EVAS ARE OVERRATED, THEY'RE NOT EVEN A GOOD MATCH against the NEWTYPES OF UC... THE GUNDAM SERIES THAT NO ONE BOTHERS TO WATCH...

Why do you be-little gundam, I'll Tell you why? Because most of your population only watches Gundam Wing and Lives and dies watching that crap-filled Gundam Series called Wing. You can't tell me that most Gundam's heve the same abilities as those on Wing, There are far more Powerful MS's in Gundam. So pls not focus on WING.
are you a noob or sommit? EVA's are born from Angels, Gundams are nothing more than the Volkswagen Beetle of the mecha world, any-one can pilot one, also its been mention AT field, HELLO! id like to see a gundam penetrate that, ALSO! EVA-01 can go berserker so i think a rubbish gundam wouldnt stand much chance agaisnt that. now a Gundam Vs an AS would be better but then again the gundam would loose

[Darth Tyranus]

Clearly this forum is filled with raging evangalion fans.

[Nineteenth]

are you a noob or sommit? EVA's are born from Angels, Gundams are nothing more than the Volkswagen Beetle of the mecha world, any-one can pilot one, also its been mention AT field, HELLO! id like to see a gundam penetrate that, ALSO! EVA-01 can go berserker so i think a rubbish gundam wouldnt stand much chance agaisnt that. now a Gundam Vs an AS would be better but then again the gundam would loose
That's the phyics property for you, in the world of Eva Gundanium does'nt exist.
There's no real measurement of what could break what, considering the rifles (Wing Zero and F-91 Rebuilt) and excessive energy expansion of the beamsabers (Eypon Gundam) .
The only real comprimise is to say that the Gundam's Actual armor is stronger than the Eva Armor , yet the Eva Armor has three levels. (AT field, Restraints and Flesh)
Each would suffer diffrent types of damage from each other. Gundams would crack, Evas would bleed.


(For some reason, I feel like playing starcraft. Gundams = Terrans , Evas= Zerg , Armored Cores = Protoss)

Eva-01 goes Berserk whenever it feels Shinji's life is in danger, just like any loving mother would do for their baby.

Moblie Dolls vs Mass Production Model Evas 05-13, that would settle it all. Programs vs Programs. Dedicate one set to strictly long range, another to short range and the other to medium range.

[The Governator]

true that is true but the mobile doll are wofelly rubbish unless its the White Fang Virgo and not the OZ Virgo

[Sake]

Both are nightmares of logical designs, but i think giant robots in general are idiotic. And this has to be the most lop sided fight ever a gundam would out right destroy an EVA. For starters there weapons are more advanced last time a checked beam rifles beat bullets. And gundams never needed an ambicle cord to stay running, not to mention they can fly. So gundams win this fight no contest.
Oh, wow, so Gundams can fly. However they cannot:
1) Generate an AT field.
2) Shatter their bindings and release the power of an angel.
3) Go rabid,and start eating their opponent, and using the other guys limbs.

Eva's win downright.

[The Governator]

again another point EVA-01 would just eat the gundam i dont know why thought they probly taste naff (side note: i woulder what an angel taste like)

[ste-v-o]

Both are nightmares of logical designs, but i think giant robots in general are idiotic. And this has to be the most lop sided fight ever a gundam would out right destroy an EVA. For starters there weapons are more advanced last time a checked beam rifles beat bullets. And gundams never needed an ambicle cord to stay running, not to mention they can fly. So gundams win this fight no contest.
firstly beamrifles bullets whats the point neither of them could harm an eva secondly u put three gundam up against eva01 cut the umbibical cord shed carry on going shes got an s-2 engine so theres no contest

[Zellianne Zettle]

You seem to be forgetting, In UC, Newtypes could use their powers to turn their Gundams into a big Psychic Weapon, Have you forgotten Kamille and Zeta's Spiritual Bio Sensor, or even worse, ZZ-Gundam's Bio Sensor, Face it, EVA's do not stand a chance against The UC Gundams like, Zeta, DoubleZeta, Heck Victory would just use V2 Assault. Even StrikeFreedom+METEOR and GP03 can Kill them. Freedom can run circles against them, and you seem to forget The addtion of beamshields to the CE Gundams. Oh, and it would not even take a gundam to kill an eva, You just need a very powerful Newtype to Fry their Brains out! And Yes the Double X, The Double X+ G-Bits combo Can Fry a whole Planet In one Shot. You're just too asuming because you've only watched EVA+Wing, Heck IDEON WOULD MAKE EVA CRY....

[Dunne]

Why not just hand over the Gundams to The Angels and let them take care of themselves then? We can see the results later on the little slide show during debrief.
Eva.
1. An energy (AT) field that is expandable
2. Knives that slice metal like frosting
3. psychotic cores with personalities of people.

Gundam
1. Metal that is supposedly the origin of the creation
2. Knives that are readily available as last ditch weapons
3. People with semi Psychotic ideals and abilities unheard of

And what do you get? (Not sure) A sort of battle that is lopsided. Eva would win because even if of its logistics, you go crazy just trying to make for lost battle time in those 5 minutes of remaining power, and then you eat out the core of your enemy's suit and have yourself a self sustaining power supply (if that is how it works)

[Kurai Ha]

Ummm...I don't know, waaaa! I've only seen a little bit of both. I think a gundam would win though. No offense to any one. Gundams can go into space. Just set 'em up with particle beams, send em to space and blow up the planet, the blast of the planet's gravitional field falling back on itself should be able to defeat the evas.

Plus they've already started to create actual gundams in rl. Not very advanced yet, but I haven't heard of them starting in building evas. Though both evas and gundams are designed after what scientists beleive how they would be designed if humans ever got around to making them. The blue prints might actually work is what I'm trying to say. I forget where I learned this from though, darn!

[[Deathscythe]]

Since I've answered this quiz before, here and elsewhere.. I'm just going to say depends but I'd prefer Gundams

[Dark-Scar]

AT field - Absolute Terror field...Absolute terror for a gundam. EVAs have taken out the opposite of Jesus, like the Devil's son or sumthin - Lilith. Rei and her EVA stapled it to a cross with a huge forkey thing. What can Gundam's do??? kill each other? big wow. If a gundam did get through the AT field, after being hit, the EVA would do a counter-attack. haven't you seen Neon Genesis: Death?

[The Governator]

your right, conventional wepons wich is all the gundams have will just bounce off and the lance of longinus is a VERY powerful wepon, also an EVA can just tred on a Gundam with EVAs bein like 30 meters high

[Dark-Scar]

your right, conventional wepons wich is all the gundams have will just bounce off and the lance of longinus is a VERY powerful wepon, also an EVA can just tred on a Gundam with EVAs bein like 30 meters high
thats it, it was a lance, not a fork! What do Gundams fight, anyway?

[Darth Tyranus]

What do Gundams fight, anyway?
Other giant robots.

And i want gundams to win simply because of how much i hate all the eva characters.

[Dark-Scar]

Other giant robots.

And i want gundams to win simply because of how much i hate all the eva characters.
on the first point, i will say "how can you say Gundams are better than EVAs if they don't fight things that threaten mankind???"

on the second point, i will say " they are kinda' wierd, but you say the Gundam pilots are psychic??? *cough, wierdies, cough*" thank you for your time

[The Governator]

Other giant robots.

And i want gundams to win simply because of how much i hate all the eva characters.
thats no-reason, like i dont hate Gundam Wing cuze i think Quatre's gay or i dont hate Mobile Suit Gundam because the main theme and endin theme are totally rubbish

[MistaCloudStrife]

Why do you be-little gundam, I'll Tell you why? Because most of your population only watches Gundam Wing and Lives and dies watching that crap-filled Gundam Series called Wing. You can't tell me that most Gundam's heve the same abilities as those on Wing, There are far more Powerful MS's in Gundam. So pls not focus on WING. WOAH WOAH WOAH.... Don't go be-littling Gundam Wing either.... Gundamium Armor>>>Phase Shift Armor... Why? Phase Shift takes up ALOT of energy... Everytime thier hit... Bam! Down goes the energy... Not to mention it goes down slowly as its activated... Also... The Zero-System?? It'll take into account who your fighting and how to beat them at any cost... So at best, any enemy that fights with an MS with the Zero System can prolly only draw with them... Lol... Don't Be-Little Gundam W!!

And a fight between EVAs and Gundams... I haven't seen that much EVA, but OMG, I saw the movie and thats some crazy stuff... LOL! I think the EVA have a good chance of winning... They're like... bio Mechas or something, they look more advanced than gundams too me...

[UltimaChaos]

EVAs hands down man. sure, gundams are badass, but EVAs are freakin cool and wicked powerful too. EVAs rock!

[Darth Tyranus]

thats no-reason, like i dont hate Gundam Wing cuze i think Quatre's gay or i dont hate Mobile Suit Gundam because the main theme and endin theme are totally rubbishI already gave a real reason and now I'm giving a personal reason.

[[Deathscythe]]

AT field - Absolute Terror field...Absolute terror for a gundam. EVAs have taken out the opposite of Jesus, like the Devil's son or sumthin - Lilith. Rei and her EVA stapled it to a cross with a huge forkey thing. What can Gundam's do??? kill each other? big wow. If a gundam did get through the AT field, after being hit, the EVA would do a counter-attack. haven't you seen Neon Genesis: Death?Yes twice though so you know I took this thread as a which do you prefer sorta of thing not a who will win..

your right that the Eva's may be able to beat the Gundams but I was just going on how much cooler Gundams are to Eva's.. no offence I'm a big fan of NGE its one of my fave anime's but the Eva's thereselves just look horrible lol xD

So yeah I actually based my pic on look mainly I guess but ah well <shrugs>

[Demondaze]

I don't care who would win in a fight, I think gundams are the BEST!!

[Hanzo]

sorry if this has been done before, but i was just thinking that...EVAS ARE SOOOOOOO MUCH BETTER THAN GUNDAMS. so i decided to make a thread of it. anyone got any views on the matter?
YAY! Someone here also says that EVAS are better than Gundams! Finally I don't feel alone anymore. I've barely seen Gundams because I got interested into EVA's storyline. Seriously in my opinion, Gundam designs are better then EVA but compared to EVA's size, they'll be crushed like ants. :laugh:

[Gizoku]

Evas, it makes the storyline more complex cause they were born of lilith and that leads to a whole bunch of stuff. and the movies and stuff tell you alot about life, at least what i think.

[Darth Tyranus]

storyline more complex You say complex, however i say convoluted and contrived.

[Gizoku]

it can be convoluted to some people though i dont know about contrived though.

[Starkwynd]

Other giant robots.

And i want gundams to win simply because of how much i hate all the eva characters.
I don't know many people who DO like NGE charecters. Misato's ok, and Rei is tollerable, but everyone else does tend to get annoying.

Regardless, annoying as Shinji and Asuka are, Eva's would just murder everything in their path. Simply put, Gundams are military weapons designed to effectivly combat other conventional weapons. An EVA isn't just a weapon, it's mankinds attempt at creating a living god. Gundams aren't built to combat that kind of overwhelming power.

[The Governator]

Evas, it makes the storyline more complex cause they were born of lilith and that leads to a whole bunch of stuff. and the movies and stuff tell you alot about life, at least what i think.
Actually only EVA-01 is born from lilith all the other EVA's are born from adam

[La3m]

*joins in the hot frenzy...

^point taken there, Mky2005

Well, it's a though one which one prevails. After some thought and some research, I came out with this points:



AT field - if Gundams are going to hit and inflict large amount of damages on EVAs with most of conventional and super weaponry, this one is hard to crack. Close range attack is also impossible as beam saber most likely to bounce off when AT field is deploy. Unless, Gundams concentrate their attack and slowly erode the AT field which unefficient if using Gundam equipped with conventional power supply as after a while most of the power being drained out. If you talking of 'bout using nuclear reactor Gundam, there is a slim chance they able to defeat EVAs.

Another thing is only progressive knife/prog knife can penetrate the AT field.
Pilots - Most of the EVAs pilots in age range of 14 -15 years old, being selected and recrcuited via Marduk system. I think this due their age and youthness enable them to adapt and synchro with the EVAs wave pattern. However, their synchro-rate depends on the emotion and mental of the pilots. They also tend to disobey orders if the mission conflict with their emotion and moral ethics. If their emotion are unstable, they cannot pilot and perform with their EVA to the optimum level. They also indirectly feel the damage that being inflict toward the EVA they pilot.

While demographic Gundams pilots according to age in 15 - 35/40 years old. Most of the pilots has special abilities like Newtype, SEED factor (both for Natural and Coordinator) or both combine. Although most the heroes are teenager and sometimes having moral/emotion conflict on their job but still have to they perform it whatever the reason.
Mobility - both has power and range limit, which EVAs needs umbirical cord for constant power supply and the range limit around the area which the cords are extend to its maximum length. EVAs has back -up power limit up to 5 minutes before their power drains out unless it being fitted with S2 Engine. Although they can leap high enough but they cannot sustain that height for very long time.

Gundams built to operate in range permitted by its power output and some of them have system sustain flight on certain range and time.

Both of them needs logistical support to keep them operate and complete the given mission.

More to come...

'nough said...

[The Governator]

^ true about AT field Ashminigun

but isnt there a chance a nuclear reactor gundam could have a melt down and a thermo necleur explosion?

[enigma unit 01]

Wat about if an eva expands it AT field while a gundam is inside its range? It'll be demolished

Remember in the end of evanglion Eva 02 swung its arm to expand it's AT field and destroyed the helicopters?

[La3m]

^point taken there, enigma

Depends on how fast the reaction of the pilot to dodge it and mobility of the Gundam. I reckon even funnels cannot penetrate AT fields if the pilot ultilize the AT advantage and surround the EVA with it unless the battle take place in space and the Gundam is equipped with CE technology DRAGOON system and the pilot is very good psycho-commu user.

In addition, only Spear of Longinus and prog knife can cut through an AT field like cutting butter with hot knife.

'nough said..

[enigma unit 01]

An what about the eva's last line of defense... 16,000 plates of fortified armour!

[animeseishi]

ill go for eva's too...

[Zellianne Zettle]

But some Highly-Skilled Gundam Pilots namely Kira Yamato and Amuro Ray, can use their Newtype Abilities to their advantage. In the world of Gundam, there are people often dubbed as Newtypes, people who have special powers, like healing and destruction, An example of a newtype power exhibited is what happened during the last episodes of Zeta, where Kamille uses the Spirits of the dead to power-up Zeta for one last attack, this attack uses mainly the Psychic properties of the Newtype. This is again repeated timely in Gundam ZZ with Judau's bio-sensor, the Bio-sensor can make ZZ-Gundam an Invincible MS and it practically runs through anything even whole Colonies.

Another power of Newtypes are the ability to predict the future, this ability is exhibitted by Tiffa Adill of Gundam X, and sometimes Amuro Ray of the Original Series, These NT Flashes that they exhibit are preminitions of the things that would happen. For example, Kira Yamato can sense immenent Danger before it actually happens.Some Newtypes like Tiffa can read through people's minds if he concentrates on them. Even some more powerful Newtypes like Paptimus Scirocco and Judau Ashta can even destroy a person's mind. If you don't agree, ask Kamille. He took the term vegetable to another level...lol

So in conclusion if EVA pilots are Emotionally Unstable, The Newtype Pilots of CE and UC can Destroy them without even using a MS... they can either paralyze them indefinitely or Destroy them via Psychic Impulses.

[The Governator]

really? or would the AT Field block it? thats an interesting point to make, Can an AT field block ANYTHING?

[Zellianne Zettle]

Psychic damage isn't even tangible so to speak. So i think it would render any Shielding useless because mindlinks are NOT physical, and some Newtypes can actually make people like useless vegetables by frying someone's brain. If you don't believe it, ask Kamille Bidan, he's the gundam subtitute for "vegetable"

[The Governator]

An AT field is more than just a shield, it is actually the light of the soul, its sacered territory wich no-one can tred so it could efectively bock intrusion on the mind, and Humans have them too

[Zellianne Zettle]

So that would mean that the AT Field is basically Spiritual Energy, Great! You seem to forget that Zeta and ZZ-Gundam Have Bio-Sensors which Harness Spiritual Energy and use it against their enemies. And also the Turn-A, the MOST POWERFUL MOUSTACHE-FILED Gundam has an AT Field, It has the most wicked attack and yeah the Colony Devil Gundam, how could I forget that!? they're living Gundams with evolving rates faster than anything... they could evolve into something more deadlier that anything

[The Governator]

well its more than spitritual energy its the energy of the soul, And bio is actually Bio-logical, EVAs are Bio-logical so they can re-generate wich is more that a gundam can do, and as many people have stated if the Gundam breaks the armour then it will have to deal with tecnically an Angel

[enigma unit 01]

So that would mean that the AT Field is basically Spiritual Energy, Great! You seem to forget that Zeta and ZZ-Gundam Have Bio-Sensors which Harness Spiritual Energy and use it against their enemies. And also the Turn-A, the MOST POWERFUL MOUSTACHE-FILED Gundam has an AT Field, It has the most wicked attack and yeah the Colony Devil Gundam, how could I forget that!? they're living Gundams with evolving rates faster than anything... they could evolve into something more deadlier that anythingHave you even watched evangelion?
P.S. What about Berserker?

[Zellianne Zettle]

Yup... It's trash to begin with... I wouldn't elaborate on something that's so last century...lol THE BIGGEST BASTARDIZATION OF THE HOLIEST SCRIPTURE OF THE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY...
And To add it up, Have you watched ALL OF THE GUNDAM SERIES

[MistaCloudStrife]

Oh.... Thats just disgraceful... If you are ANY type of anime fan... You'd know never to bash on Eva... I haven't even watched all of Eva but I know not to talk about it like you just did... Its just like saying, "Akira sucked balls."... That is just sad..... -_-

Just because you're some Gundam fangirl doesn't mean you have the right to bash on any mecha anime you want just because it ISN'T Gundam... "Oh it isnt gundam so it sucks and Gundams can PWN it"...

*sigh*....

Also... you say Eva is a "Bastardization" of the bible... Lol... But "Tomino Yoshiyuki" created an anime based off of Evangelion called, "Brain Powered".... So what does that mean? Hmm... =P

I'm gonna bad rep you now...

[The Governator]

Oh.... Thats just disgraceful... If you are ANY type of anime fan... You'd know never to bash on Eva... I haven't even watched all of Eva but I know not to talk about it like you just did... Its just like saying, "Akira sucked balls."... That is just sad..... -_-

Just because you're some Gundam fangirl doesn't mean you have the right to bash on any mecha anime you want just because it ISN'T Gundam... "Oh it isnt gundam so it sucks and Gundams can PWN it"...

*sigh*....

Also... you say Eva is a "Bastardization" of the bible... Lol... But "Tomino Yoshiyuki" created an anime based off of Evangelion called, "Brain Powered".... So what does that mean? Hmm... =P

I'm gonna bad rep you now...
ill agree with ya MistaCloudStrife, people carnt go around bashin anime cuze it isnt like there fav, i dont bash oter rommance anime cuze they aint furuba i just state i think its the best ever maid

[Mugetsu]

As much as I like Evas, I would have to go with Gundams.
1) If it comes down to close range fighting I dont think a Gundam has a chance but Gundams can fly. That means that they can stay out of Evas attack range and still fire back.
2) Evas have to be plugged in or they run out of power quickly. Just destroy the umbilical link and it's only a matter of time before you can pick it apart.

Both are still cool though.

[The Governator]

As much as I like Evas, I would have to go with Gundams.
1) If it comes down to close range fighting I dont think a Gundam has a chance but Gundams can fly. That means that they can stay out of Evas attack range and still fire back.
2) Evas have to be plugged in or they run out of power quickly. Just destroy the umbilical link and it's only a matter of time before you can pick it apart.

Both are still cool though.
yet again people have overlooked again is what EVA it is. If its EVA Unit 00 or 02 ok but if its 01 or 05-13 then thats no problem Unit 01 and 05-13 have an S2 engine so they donot need a umblical cable

[Mugetsu]

yet again people have overlooked again is what EVA it is. If its EVA Unit 00 or 02 ok but if its 01 or 05-13 then thats no problem Unit 01 and 05-13 have an S2 engine so they donot need a umblical cableOh yeah, I keep thinking of the earlier episodes. Evas are monsters. In the air...Gundams. On the ground, close range....Evas.

[The Governator]

Also EVA's 05-13 can fly so i think the gundams ability to fly is no longer an advantage

[Dunne]

So then, let us agree that the production Eva's 05-13 can beat by these methods then, since it seems that since they can fly, it evens out the odds
1. Since the Production Series EVA can Fly, this kills any sort of Rocket or jet-pack that any sort of Gundam can strap on.
2. Since the Production Series EVA is a unit similar toa mobile dol, wa cna say now that NewType Abilites (physique or anything like that) are null, since the Production Series EVA have dummy plug systems involved.
3. Every Production Series EVA is equipet with a copy-like spear of longinus. We have now a long range attack that the gundam is gonna have trouble dodging while any one of the production series either goes and chews it apart of takes a prog knife to it.
4. If Production Series EVA can do waht Unit-02 can do, we havea good sheild and at the same time we have a good projectile like based weapon.

OK so we can see that a production series can tear apart a gundam ina good snese. But two things going for it. No conscince by the Dummy System, and mass rape melee atack. yeah, so With a regular Eva such as 00, 01, 02, Gundam might, Might win.

But Eva All the Way. 'Nuf Said

-_-

[Zellianne Zettle]

Oh.... Thats just disgraceful... If you are ANY type of anime fan... You'd know never to bash on Eva... I haven't even watched all of Eva but I know not to talk about it like you just did... Its just like saying, "Akira sucked balls."... That is just sad..... -_-

Just because you're some Gundam fangirl doesn't mean you have the right to bash on any mecha anime you want just because it ISN'T Gundam... "Oh it isnt gundam so it sucks and Gundams can PWN it"...

*sigh*....

Also... you say Eva is a "Bastardization" of the bible... Lol... But "Tomino Yoshiyuki" created an anime based off of Evangelion called, "Brain Powered".... So what does that mean? Hmm... =P

I'm gonna bad rep you now... Brain powerd was done WAYYY BEFORE EVA... And I don't see any gothic organization and Angels that they Kill. And Anyways I HAVE TO POINT OUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SUPER ROBOTS AND REAL ROBOTS HERE, ANYWAYS IF YOU HAVEN'T WATCHED EVA ALOT YET, IT REALLY IS A BASTARDIZATION OF THE HOLY BIBLE, NO ONE CAN CLAIM THAT THEY CAN RECREATE ADAM AND EVE.

[clowtrigger]

Oh.... Thats just disgraceful... If you are ANY type of anime fan... You'd know never to bash on Eva... I haven't even watched all of Eva but I know not to talk about it like you just did... Its just like saying, "Akira sucked balls."... That is just sad..... -_-

Just because you're some Gundam fangirl doesn't mean you have the right to bash on any mecha anime you want just because it ISN'T Gundam... "Oh it isnt gundam so it sucks and Gundams can PWN it"...

*sigh*....

Also... you say Eva is a "Bastardization" of the bible... Lol... But "Tomino Yoshiyuki" created an anime based off of Evangelion called, "Brain Powered".... So what does that mean? Hmm... =P

I'm gonna bad rep you now... I think that She's implying that Evangelion is really a concept that obviously IS AN ANTITHESIS of the Holy Bible. Even if you look at it's Ending, the suggestion that Man can Play GOD is stupid and it even provokes God by labeling the enemies as "angels" At least in brain powerd, it's an alien invasion, nothing to do with the omnipotent beings. And before you take Tomino on this, Brain Powerd Sucked anyways, It was a far cry from Z-Gundam. Anyways even common sense would say that Eva is the bastardization of every moral here on earth. And I mean EVERY, Who would label Demon-like Creatures as Heroes!? Demon-like creatures that devour anything on their sight. Even the opening song's title defines it as a bastardization of the Omnipotent, "Cruel Angel's Thesis" what kind of obscene title is that!? There's no such thing as a cruel angel, unless your talking about LUCIFER!? So Cruel angel's Thesis simply means SATAN's Thesis.

[The Governator]

So then, let us agree that the production Eva's 05-13 can beat by these methods then, since it seems that since they can fly, it evens out the odds
1. Since the Production Series EVA can Fly, this kills any sort of Rocket or jet-pack that any sort of Gundam can strap on.
2. Since the Production Series EVA is a unit similar toa mobile dol, wa cna say now that NewType Abilites (physique or anything like that) are null, since the Production Series EVA have dummy plug systems involved.
3. Every Production Series EVA is equipet with a copy-like spear of longinus. We have now a long range attack that the gundam is gonna have trouble dodging while any one of the production series either goes and chews it apart of takes a prog knife to it.
4. If Production Series EVA can do waht Unit-02 can do, we havea good sheild and at the same time we have a good projectile like based weapon.

OK so we can see that a production series can tear apart a gundam ina good snese. But two things going for it. No conscince by the Dummy System, and mass rape melee atack. yeah, so With a regular Eva such as 00, 01, 02, Gundam might, Might win.

But Eva All the Way. 'Nuf Said

-_-
and dont forget that the lane of longinus is also a close-combat wepon, also i think EVA 01 could stand a chance agaisnt a gundam. a gundam like say, the gun-cannon or heavy-arms one that cannot fly or can fly but not very well

[MistaCloudStrife]

Brain powerd was done WAYYY BEFORE EVA...
Brain Powered - 1998

NG Evangelion - 1995


Waaaaaayyyy before huh? Yeah okay... Show your proof... Give us two websites that say when they were first created... Don't just say stuff that you THINK is true...

[clowtrigger]

MistaCloudStrife, Pardon me the trouble but, You should be able to think that BrainPowerd was sub-par compared to any other Gundam Series that Tomino made. I also want to note that some of what Zellianne is saying are true and indeed NT's have supernatural powers themselves

[Yojimbo51]

Oh.... Thats just disgraceful... If you are ANY type of anime fan... You'd know never to bash on Eva... I haven't even watched all of Eva but I know not to talk about it like you just did... Its just like saying, "Akira sucked balls."... That is just sad..... -_-
You know, I have watched all of Eva, and just about all of gundam wing, and in terms of.... well just about everything gundam is better. For example, gundam's plot wasn't so stupid that it made me want to hunt down Anno and burn his house down. and also, gundam had pilots (or at least one pilot) that was likable and not a whiny *****.

Also, gundam wing had a decent ending.

[The Governator]

Actually GWs Ending isnt decent, Heero destroys the last piece of libra in the nick of time, then gives relina card a b-day present, that ending is BORING! NGE's ending was just brilliance, it left it open for EoE. also theres only one annoiying person in NGE and that is Asuka all the other characters arnt annoying

[Yojimbo51]

Oh gee, not even shinji? What was I thinking, "I'm sad and can't do anything" never got boring after all, you're right. And of course Rei wasn't irritating, because turning on the subtitles whenever she speaks isn't the least bit stupid.

it was brilliant, huh? You see, Endless waltz tied things up at the end, Eva just had a bunch of melodrama where shinji and co *****ed about life for two or three episodes, then shinji feels better and everyone claps. Don't bother explaining about adam or lilith, or saying what happened to, say, asuka after she got all depressed. And EoE had a decent fight (I love watching asuka get killed, I hate her so much) but it was just a lot more confusing crap Anno pulled out of his *** at the last second. Seriously, it looks like he was on LSD the whole time.

Oh yeah, spoiler alert.

[The Governator]

ive seen Endless Waltz (in my opinion it was CRAP!), they explain about Lilith and Adam in Death & Rebirth (listen to my advice, watch ALL of NGE before D&R or ull be confused) also it shows you that asuka is in a hospital (thats in Death). Gundam is just anime that rolled of a factory line its BORING, it repeats it selfs, the Gundam pilots never find them selfs on the verge of defeat, while on NGE, NERV quite a few times have found them selfs on the endge of defete

[Yojimbo51]

I've seen death and rebirth, and even if they do explain it, it's so absurd that it probably would have been better to leave it out. And once again, I HAVE seen all of Eva, And I'm convinced that I could write a better story. I'm not an enormous fan of endless waltz, I just really hate Eva, EoE, and Death and Rebirth.



And so, you think that being repeatedly and savagely beaten is a plus? Hey, it's nice to see the good guys lose every now and then, but it was still pretty boring.

[The Governator]

ok then, if you think your sooo good write an Eva style story thats better an post it on the AF. i know i would be able to

[Yojimbo51]

You realize that you just proved my point, right? If you're saying that you, probably not someone who gets paid to write anime plots, can write a better eva style story than Eva itself, then Eva must not be very good.

You should think before you say these things.

[Darth Tyranus]

Oh.... Thats just disgraceful... If you are ANY type of anime fan... You'd know never to bash on Eva... I haven't even watched all of Eva but I know not to talk about it like you just did... Its just like saying, "Akira sucked balls."... That is just sad..... -_-

Just because you're some Gundam fangirl doesn't mean you have the right to bash on any mecha anime you want just because it ISN'T Gundam... "Oh it isnt gundam so it sucks and Gundams can PWN it"...

*sigh*....

Also... you say Eva is a "Bastardization" of the bible... Lol... But "Tomino Yoshiyuki" created an anime based off of Evangelion called, "Brain Powered".... So what does that mean? Hmm... =P

I'm gonna bad rep you now...Wow you're quite the dick aren't you. Not every one is going to agree with you, and if they give a good reason for not liking what you do you have to accept it it's not bashing if they have a reason. She isn't bashing every non gundam mech show she's saying eva sucks because she felt it was sacrilige. And that's a perfectly good reason, deal with it.

I think EVA sucks for many different reasons, like the fact that anno was a lazy prick who ran out of time to finish his show so he just pulled some awful tripe ending out his bung hole. Or the fact that he just used the christian names because they sounded cool. Not to mention the characters are just unlikeable. This is coming from some one who really didn't like any of the gundam series i saw.

[MistaCloudStrife]

Calling Eva "trash" isn't an opinion smart guy... saying "I thought it was trash" would have been, fine... I would have left it alone.. But, "It was trash" blah blah... Thats bashing on an anime...

And also... I said everything that isn't Gundam cause she said the same things about AS' from FMP.... So yeah... Don't talk unles syou know what you're talking about...You seem to go into threads and talk about stuff when you don'thave much info on it...

Tip: Don't debate or argue unluess you have something to back your crap up...

[Darth Tyranus]

I'm not hip to AS but i know full metal panic does suck. And she doesn't have to say "i think" since it's implied since it's her post making it her thoughts. And i would take advice from you but i don't need it and you're a jerk in general. I have some advice for you though, cut down on the final fantasy seven and get in touch with reality now and then.

[bakakame]

well, this looks like a fun argument...

Personally, I liked NGE. I'd immagine that a lot of the people at this forum are still too young to appreciate it though. It's a much more 'mature' anime than most.

When Eva first aired in Japan, in was scheduled so that teens would be able to watch it, and it was a flop. So they changed the channel and time to better target adults, and it became one of the highest rated shows on the air.

The focus of the story is not supposed to be on the whole EVA vs the angels plot, it's more of a look into the psycological development of the charecters (this is why my favorite episodes were the last 2). I tried to convince my psycology teacher in high school to show the Eva series to the class, he thought it was a good idea but the schoolboard turned it down. I guess it's ok for us to learn about Edipus complex and sexual behavior in detail, but a TV14 rated show with swearing and animated fan service is just too much for a senior high school psycology class. After all, who knows what it might do to our minds......

[mastercane]

Gundam would beat Evangelion for the following reasons:
1.A Gundam can move fast than EVA
2.Gundams can fly
3.Gundams are pioted by Newtypes
4.Lets not talk about gundam capabilities compared to EVAs
5.So an EVA can produce a force field or shield. They can't keepit up forever.
6. My last and final. 5 words. Wing Zero Custom Buster Rifle

[Sake]

Gundam would beat Evangelion for the following reasons:
1.A Gundam can move fast than EVA
2.Gundams can fly
3.Gundams are pioted by Newtypes
4.Lets not talk about gundam capabilities compared to EVAs
5.So an EVA can produce a force field or shield. They can't keepit up forever.
6. My last and final. 5 words. Wing Zero Custom Buster Rifle1. An EVA is larger than a Gundam.
2. EVAs can regenerate.
3. An EVA has the bound energy of an Angel.
4. The AT-Field is all but inpenetrable while it's up.
5. The EVA itself has a mind, and will protect itself and its pilot if needed.
6. The EVA has three layers of armour, the armour, the bindings, and it's flesh
7. Not to mention the EVA can lose control and become rabid, and far more dangerous
8. The EVA when piloted by its pilot are insane teens with little regard for anyone but themselves.
9. The EVA's are just cooler anyway.

BTW EVA's have one hell of a jump. So if a Gundam does try to fly away, whats to stop the EVA from leaping after it and pile-driving it back down?

[mastercane]

Here are some other reasons I think a Gundam will beat an EVA

1. What about Dark Gundam which ahs the ability to change the world itself, let alone produce its own army. It has self evolution cabilities. It would evolue to beat the EVAs. Read it for yourself at http://www.gundamofficial.com/worlds/fc/mechanics/mf_dark.html.

2. OZ-00MS2B Tallgeese III This mobile suit destroyed an asteriod base with its Mega Cannon in one shot.

3. XXXG-00W0 Wing Gundam Zero with Twin Buster Rifle that is more powful than Tallgesse III Mega Cannon.

4. SYSTEM ∀-99 (WD-M01) ∀ Gundam which has a shield sort of like the EVAs and other weapons

[clowtrigger]

^
5. ZGMF-X20A Strike Freedom+MeTEOR
6. GP03 Dendrobium
7. IDEON
8. Gx-9900 Gundam Double X can Desintegrate a Colony in one Shot.

And another question to the AT Field, Give me one instance that the AT fields are shielding against Plasma based weapons. GIVE ME ONE INSTANCE OKAY. Plasma weapons>>>>all as well as Antimatter cannons>>>>all.. Since you're stubborn mules and don't give attention to the other technologies of Gundam, let me explain a few things:
1. EVA's are larger than Gundams, I give you that, but some MS are bigger than Gundams yet the Gundams Beat them, Oh and you forgot some shielding that pwns AT-Fields anyday, no not Gundamnium, nope not PS Armor, and heck it's not an AT Field, There's the Psyco-Barrier, Lets imagine Amuro Using four Fin Funnels as one Shield powered by his Psychic Abilities because of Nu-Gundam's Psycoframe. another type of advanced shielding that Gundams in CE have is yes, Beam Shields, Beam Shields can form a Deflector capable of countering a large Antimatter cannon, which you can't even use the AT Field against, have you seen an AT field going up against a Plasma-based or Positron based cannon, Positrons are Anti-Matter Particles, it would be illogical to say that AT Fields can Withstand them because of the antimatter effect, in theory, the AT Field produces energy, so in effect, there are electrons involved, but electrons are matter particles of negative charge, while positrons are the EXACT ANTIMATTER EQUIVALENT of electrons. So no stupid assumptions of the AT Field being some GOD-MODE to devil-like stupid mechs called Evas. Energy Particles are Involved in this so it is that electrons are present, no matter how much energy output you say the AT-Field has, The Energy output of the Eva would be reduced because of this effect, as Positrons are exact opposites of Electrons and those when those electrons that make up the AT-Field come into contact with the Positrons Emitted by the Anti-Matter Cannon, A large mass of energy Explodes within the AT-Field, no it's not because of how weak the AT-Field is, It's because of how Strong it is actually.

Examples of Gundams w/ Positron Beam/MultiPhase Cannons
1.Astray Blue Frame
2.Strike Freedom Gundam
3.Neo-Meteor System (for Strike Freedom and Infinite Justice Gundam)
4.Blast Impulse Gundam
5.Savior Gundam


2.Eva's can Regenerate, but Dark/Devil Gundam would rape it because not only that it could Regenrate but it also has the Saiyajin Effect,Yup... They Regenrate and come back even stronger.

3. Really, But can you put up numerical figures to support your claim. You can't put that thing up because you don't have numerical data over it. What is it really, you don't even have the power output of the Eva's engines. And another Question, would those engines work in Minovsky Particles, would those be affected by the Neutron Stampeder, and Neutron Jammer

4. See #1

5. You need to watch every single episode of Z-Gundam, man Berserker mode of EVA<<<<<<<Newtype Psyco mode. And before you say anything, let me explain, In the Universal Century Timeline, Most Main Character Pilots are Supernatural Beings called Newtypes.Their powers range from predicting the future, not only in battles but in normal situations to Making their Mobile Suits Invincible.

6. Yes the eva does Jump High but, Strike-Freedom Gundam and Destiny are insane kings of Maneuverability. For Example: you can't say that Strike Freedom is slow and then they show it dodging 43 beam cannons at the same time. You can't say that Destiny is slow because it even produces after-images.And to further more support this claim, Strike-Freedom has an Insane Speed in which it can accelerate up to the far reaches of the Atmosphere, It could do re-entry without even using a Mobile Armor mode.

9. Hell no, You should see Seed and Destiny first, noob... people here have centered on Gundam Wing too much that other Gundam Series are often ignored. Kira has a thousand moves that could make you awe in coolness, especially in Destiny and heck Shinn Has them too. You can't judge them prematurely because of the coverage of what you've watched. I recommend that you watch SEED, Destiny, and all of the UC Series before you decide.

[Cursed~Amante]

i'd rather have both. too much of one thing is bad, and less of the other is just lacking. at least there's compensation.

[MistaCloudStrife]

I'm not hip to AS but i know full metal panic does suck. And she doesn't have to say "i think" since it's implied since it's her post making it her thoughts. And i would take advice from you but i don't need it and you're a jerk in general. I have some advice for you though, cut down on the final fantasy seven and get in touch with reality now and then.
Her "EVa is trash" wasn't an implied opinion just like your "i know full metal panic does suck" wasn't one...You even added... "I know" to it... Lol... And I know that "I know" isn't the start of an opinion... -_-

Yeah... I can tell you won't take my advice about learning the subject at hand before posting because you aren't even posting about the thread at all... I neither see Gundam nor Eva in your sentence at all... o.O;

Okay... Now as for the AT field...

I haven't seen all of Eva so I woudn't really know much but... I believe that the AT field is completely impenitrable unless another AT field cancels it out.. That seems pretty strong to me... o.O;;

[clowtrigger]

Care to elaborate Numerical Data? You can't tell us without any Info supporting it, and would you care to elaborate the power output of the AT Field itself, haven't I made it clear the AT Field for the whole series did not have to face a Gamma Ray Laser or a Positron Cannon, because all it resists are Solid Weaponry, an AT Field is a form of Energy Right? Energy Shields do not Block other Energy forms, they simply resist it, so if there were to be an energy reaction between beam weaponry and the AT Field, the AT Field has a certain Wavelenght Frequency that can be broken by a lower wavelenght or a higher concentration of energy, As said, there are such things such as Plasma Weaponry in Gundam, Which means the AT-Field is done for because Plasma is pure energy and is as hot as the surface of the sun. And in CE and UC, Plasma Weaponry is mainly used in the beam sabers that the Mobile suits have. Please elaborate numerical data about the AT Field please....

[Darth Tyranus]

Her "EVa is trash" wasn't an implied opinion just like your "i know full metal panic does suck" wasn't one...You even added... "I know" to it... Lol... And I know that "I know" isn't the start of an opinion... -_-
It is my opinion because there is no way EVA is good or EVA is bad could be a fact. So it is my opinion, you dont need to put IMO for things that clearly are. There are 4 alien movies that is a FACT eva sucks is in opinion. Not a hard concept.

Yeah... I can tell you won't take my advice about learning the subject at hand before posting because you aren't even posting about the thread at all... I neither see Gundam nor Eva in your sentence at all... o.O;

You're 19 could you please type like it? I'm just trying to defend some one from your idiotic fanboyisms.

[MistaCloudStrife]

Care to elaborate Numerical Data? You can't tell us without any Info supporting it, and would you care to elaborate the power output of the AT Field itself, haven't I made it clear the AT Field for the whole series did not have to face a Gamma Ray Laser or a Positron Cannon, because all it resists are Solid Weaponry, an AT Field is a form of Energy Right? Energy Shields do not Block other Energy forms, they simply resist it, so if there were to be an energy reaction between beam weaponry and the AT Field, the AT Field has a certain Wavelenght Frequency that can be broken by a lower wavelenght or a higher concentration of energy, As said, there are such things such as Plasma Weaponry in Gundam, Which means the AT-Field is done for because Plasma is pure energy and is as hot as the surface of the sun. And in CE and UC, Plasma Weaponry is mainly used in the beam sabers that the Mobile suits have. Please elaborate numerical data about the AT Field please....
Don't try to bring Gundam logic into another anime... AT fields aren't made of any kind of beam energy or anything like that... <_< Anyway, I've read more about the AT and it says that NOTHING besides another AT field can penetrate it... Well other AT fields don't really penetrate.... Its more like... they nullify each other... And the AT field is ONLY in Eva... So don't go bringing up something in Gundam that is like an AT field... If its not an AT then its not an AT field...



It is my opinion because there is no way EVA is good or EVA is bad could be a fact. So it is my opinion, you dont need to put IMO for things that clearly are. There are 4 alien movies that is a FACT eva sucks is in opinion. Not a hard concept.


You're 19 could you please type like it? I'm just trying to defend some one from your idiotic fanboyisms.
You also don't put, "I know" in a sentence that is an opinion...

And what does how I type have to do with anything? Fan boyism? Hah... Nice road you had to take there... Had to go to insults just because you couldn't counter anything about what I said? Yeah... Good job... Haha

[Darth Tyranus]

You... a... fan... boy... NEVER... LOL. That's the kind of stuff I'm talking about.

[Dunne]

Good Lord, what a mess this has created, I wonder if any of the Admins are gonna come in to reg this thing.
And who Idea was this in the first place? See the mess you made? You made a freaking Pandora's Box with this whole thing.

All right, could be agree on one thing though? one compliments the other in abilites, Why not just pit Specific Gundams Against Evas? or why not just pit actual Mechas against Mechas instead of Mecha vs. Bio-Mecha, or at least a friendly comparative abilites test, not a ownage pawned contest.

[clowtrigger]

So you've answered the million dollar question.... You can't compare two separate universes.... and it's the same concept for you dude, You can't preach the AT Field under the influence of Minovsky and Mirage Colloid Physics. In other words, you can't bring Eva Logic to Gundam....lol,This Thread is just about the Eva fans be-littleing Gundam. I know for a fact that Surface of the Sun>>>>Anything even if you calculate everything, the only thing that could live in the sun is.... Superman... And Even if you elaborate everything, Eva's CANNOT BECOME EFFECTIVE IN SPACE, IT'S Bio-Mech Property has a weakness, I challenge every Eva Fan to pit your FAvorite Eva against the likes of Providence, Strike Freedom, Legend, Hi-Nu Gundam, and Nightingale On SPACE...

IF GUNDAM's do suck the balls of the Eva's can you prove it at their domain which is SPACE??

Please Elaborate on technical specs, okay... I don't care if I'm bringing in Gundam logic, but you've already tried to compare two SEPARATE Universes.

[MistaCloudStrife]

I'm just retyping what I've said... "An AT field cannot be penetrated unless by another AT field"... I don't know crap about Eva... I would actually know more about Gundam... (Seen GW GS and GSD)... But I wanted to be sure abotu allt his and saw that quote right there... "An AT field cannot be penetrated unless by another AT field"... And that's enough to make me think a Gundam would lose... I also read, "EVAs are GOD-like entities.".... And thats some crazy stuff too... So unless Gundams are GODs... o.O;;

[Darth Tyranus]

Yes they are so god like they get raped in several fights. And then there respective pilot whines for 3 episodes. Not flame bait but I'm just eva can lose and have, no one else remembers the whole acid monster? They didn't lose, but the acid ate away there armor, so doesn't that prove AT fields can be broken without another AT field? And if we go by the shows logic EVERYONE has an AT field. So that would include gundam pilots. So even if you use the only AT can beat AT idea couldn't a skilled gundam pilot beat them any way? The fields would cancel out and they would have to use regular wepons. And since eva armor clearly can be destroyed if acid ate it away a beam rifle could no doubt rip through it as well.

[grim_reaper]

evangalion is better

[Darth Tyranus]

Hey i didn't know it was people wiht riku avatars don't have to explain their opinions day.

[MistaCloudStrife]

Yeah that IS true that everyone with a soul CAN have an AT field... Doesn't mean everyone has one...

And that Matriel Acid monster had an AT field...

Also... only AT fields as strong or stronger can cancel out another AT field... So unless Gundams has some sort of soul... and the Gundam pilots synch with them... They prolly can't cancel out the EVAs AT field...

[Darth Tyranus]

But that's just it only unit 1 ever really made good use of the AT field. Askua couldn't even get her eva to move let alone use the field at the end. But then she just miraculously is fine and can do everything because her suicidale mother was a;ways watcing in her. Right i forgot. I'm sorry the show is just to damn inconsistent to take seriously. I don't recall the acid beast using any kind of field (i'm sure it had one but they all did), it's bee a long time since i have seen the show though so i could be wrong. And doesn't the field come from the pilot not the machine? If raye could make one without being in the eva doesn't it mean it came from her not the machine?

But of course we don't know because the creator can't write, and had no real intention to make a good story that made sense. See this is stuff that pisses me off it's nearly impossible to have a real arguement over somehting as vague as an AT field. They only partially explain what it is, and it doesn't seem to come in to play until more then a few episodes have passed, which causes me to think it was just shoe horned in to make some kind of life statement. At least in all those other stupid Vs. thread we have mostly solid stuff to go on but an AT field? Who the hell knows.

I don't want any one to get the crazy notion I'm a gundam fanboy, honestly i find the show more boring than final fantasy ten.

[mastercane]

I have 3 questions? It was stated earlier that in anyone with a soul can generate an AT field. Does that mean that the Gundam piolts, if they were to venture into the EVA universe, could not generate an AT field? Since a AT field has to be made out of some kind of energy, could a particle beam cannon be configured to destroy it? If EVAs are bio-mecha of a sort, doesn't make them susceptable to nuclear or biological warfare?

[Sake]

Darth, Rei could generate an AT field outside of her EVA for the simple reason that she was basically an Angel, similar to Kaoru. Her genetic code for her clones was taken from Adam, if I remember correctly. Also, if I understood it correctly, the AT field was the will manifested because of the souls desire to protect whoever was generating it. (I'm am possibley/probably wrong on the part, that was just my opinion.)

[飛竜]

Well for me is Gundams. Why?

Well I've interested skill, armor, and high-powered weaponry. I'd say that EVA units were having some barrier called AT-Field that is unique and protect and attacks that could be true. However their weakness is their energy will be drained out for sure, well unlike the EVA-01 has awesome Dummy Plug from these other EVA unit. But Evangelion Units were not so bad of their performance.

At some point Gundams have different types like God Gundam from Domon Kasshu having in Super Mode can perform God Finger Sekka Denjouken can beat any foes and its deadly too. What about Wing Gundam Zero Custom from Heero Yuy? Well Its Twin Buster Rifle can blow up any foes who stands on its way adding by ZERO System. Some other Gundams like for Gundam DX having Twin Satelite Cannon crushing its foes like a powerful laser cannon pulverize it right away. Strike Freedom Gundam it can lock-on all enemies at seconds.

To be honest that Gundams has much more performance and abilities than EVA units.

XD

[Darth Tyranus]

Darth, Rei could generate an AT field outside of her EVA for the simple reason that she was basically an Angel, similar to Kaoru. Her genetic code for her clones was taken from Adam, if I remember correctly. Also, if I understood it correctly, the AT field was the will manifested because of the souls desire to protect whoever was generating it. (I'm am possibley/probably wrong on the part, that was just my opinion.)They never state raye in an angle at leats not to the ebst of memory haven't seen the show in years, they say she's a robot which means she couldn't make an AT field any way not having a soul and all. Hooray for plot holes! And when did they she she was created from adam?
the AT field was the will manifested because of the souls desire to protect whoever was generating it Who knows, they guy did such a poor job writing the show i don't think we could ever say for sure. Kind of like that whole sifo dias hoopla from episode 2.

[Mugetsu]

The shows writer tried to get too deep with the psychological aspects and confused themselves. Thats why there are so many plotholes in NGE.
I thought it said Rei was a clone or genetically engineered. Thats why there were so many copies of her in that room, right?
There is no way that the AT fields are impenitrable because (as pointed out earlier) one of the Angels used acid on the EVA's. Plus all of the Angels had AT fields, yet the Eva's were able to beat them with long range weapons. As much as they talked about AT fields they should have been more consistant with how they used them.

[Starkwynd]

Umm... once again angels and EVA's can hit each other because they both can generate an AT field.

Basically, one AT field will cancel out or close enough to cancel out the other that regular blows can be exchanged. In the long range attack, it takes a LOT of energy to break a field, like in order to kill Ramiel they had to "borrow" all of the power output from the entire nation to put that shot through the AT field. So yes, the AT field can keep out energy based weapons as well.

Oh and clow, do you even KNOW what plasma is? It's ionized gas, not pure energy, and has no set normal temperature. The sun is plasma, and guess what, the surface temperature CAN be measured. It's average temperature is about 5507*C However, since this is ionized gas (AKA matter) the AT field will block it no problem.

Also, the AT field is NOT an energy field, it is the projection of the EVA's/Angels soul. The strength of the field is going to be dependant on the will of the sould bound to the EVA to protect the pilot. Yui's will to protect Shinji caused Unit 01 to move under it's own power and influence 3 times in order to save Shinji, killing an Angel WITH it's AT field active twice.

In space it seems it may end in a stalemate, cause noone has figured out yet how a gundam can get past the AT field.

As for Rei, she is a crossbreed between angel DNA and human DNA, who is then cloned and used as the core of the dummy plug system. Really this stuff isn't that hard to follow if you pay attention to the story instead of the battles.

No offense to the Gundam fanboy's out there, but NGE's story is MUCH better and MUCH more thought out than any of the gundam ones. Don't get me wrong I like most of the Gundam series better, but you people just don't seem to grasp the NGE plot to clearly. It's really a great story once you get used to looking past robots blowing up...

[Darth Tyranus]

In space it seems it may end in a stalemate, cause noone has figured out yet how a gundam can get past the AT field.

Tell me why gundam pilots couldn't make an AT field.

Really this stuff isn't that hard to follow if you pay attention to the story instead of the battles.

Please, most of the show is just the charcters *****ing at each other.
but NGE's story is MUCH better and MUCH more thought out than any of the gundam ones. Don't get me wrong I like most of the Gundam series better, but you people just don't seem to grasp the NGE plot to clearly. It's really a great story once you get used to looking past robots blowing up...

Do you mean much more convoluted with half assed ideas that were shoe horned in? And by thought out do you mean he pulled the ending out of his *** because the lazy jerk hit his dead line with an unfinished show? The show isn't deep just because it has biblical names plastered on everything because they sound cool doesn't make it a deep show. It isn't a great story or even a good one, and there is very little fighting going on most of them time. So it's pretty easy to look past the robots blowing up. It's a pretty bad show and why it has so many fans is beyond me, i also don't understand how people can watch inuyasha and not fall asleep.

[Lysander Cyric Korvein]

Both are nightmares of logical designs, but i think giant robots in general are idiotic. And this has to be the most lop sided fight ever a gundam would out right destroy an EVA. For starters there weapons are more advanced last time a checked beam rifles beat bullets. And gundams never needed an ambicle cord to stay running, not to mention they can fly. So gundams win this fight no contest.
I have to agree and disagree with Darth Tyranus on this one. while a Gundam may have an EVA on speed, if the EVA could ever catch a gundam, the gundam's toast. so in this, i say i like BOTH!!

[Yojimbo51]

Nuh-uh dude, Shinji is like a torcherd sole and he is v. kelw. Rei is awsum!!! Inuyasha is mi Bishy! I'll kill u dud!E!!!!

Yarr. Agreed. It just seems like people are attracted to the shitty shows like moths to a flame. And I stand by my former conviction, I could write a better script than Anno.

[Sake]

You just can't accept someone explaining it FAR better than ANYONE has be able to yet. The only explanation that comes close it Tat's reasoning for liking Gundam better. However, if you actually have the mental power to actually pay attention to the story, it makes sense. (Although, not so easy for me, watching a fairly bad quality fan-sub) Another thing is, what language do you watch it in? Two friends of mine have seen it, one watched it dubbed, the other subbed. The one who watched it dubbed was lost, subbed knew what was going on, except in the last two episodes of the main series, cause I think most people get confused during those ones. (I know I did..) And about the names, doesn't it make sense to name things you call Angels, after angels? I'll side with you on the Inuyasha bit though. I used to watch it a ton, now I can't be bothered to watch anything except the 3rd movie sometimes.

[Darth Tyranus]

You just can't accept someone explaining it FAR better than ANYONE has be able to yet
No one explained to me why gundam pilots couldn't use an AT field yet. Or how a strong beam rifle wouldn't be able to break the mental barrier. Of that's right NO ONE CAN. Anno never fleshed out the ideas enough to make them truly cannon.
And about the names, doesn't it make sense to name things you call Angels, after angels?
How are they anything like biblical angles? Were they the children of god? Who was god adam or lilith? Or were they just two more angles? Stupid lousy plot.

except in the last two episodes of the main series
Yeah those would be the ones anno yanked out of his colon because he hit his dead line.
Two friends of mine have seen it, one watched it dubbed, the other subbed. The one who watched it dubbed was lost, subbed knew what was going on
Want to elaborate a bit more on who was lost on what?

[Starkwynd]

The angels were in fact "angels" in a religious sence. Really as someone who finds all forms of religion to be a bunch of BS, this didn't become complicated for me in the least. I'd immagine that christians or even most religious people would find it hard to make sence of them as angels though, my mom caught a glimps of the show and see's it as a form or heresy.

Technically anyone can create an AT field, but it's gonna be a weak piece of crap. The strength of an EVA's AT field comes from the bonding of a human soul to the EVA, which is made from angel DNA. Remember, angels are "angels" and their soul is much more potent, if you will. By bonding a human sould to the EVA, you get the strength of an angel's soul, augmented by the desires of the human soul, and controlled by the pilot inside who syncs with the EVA.

True he ran out of time in the last couple episodes, but I still think it was well done. Once more though this is one of the more mature aspects of the show. Casual watchers would be dissapointed by it.

Oh and BTW, I don't sleep through Inuyasha, I change the channelhttp://animegalleries.net/bbs/images/smilies/wink.gif


edit#2 - forgot the spoiler warning....

EDIT -

Oh yea and Adam is "Adam" from biblical jibberish, and Lilith is "Lilith" from biblical jibberish. Lilith, in case you were wondering, was the first wife of Adam and a kind of night-demon, who gave birth to a race of demon children. Since humans were refered to as "Lilims" in the show, then that would suggest that humans are the demon rance that Lilith gave birth to and explains why the angels decended from heaven to kill us. Hence the entire significance of the third impact as a way for humanity to be purged of it's sin (of being born of a demon) and thus be admitable to heaven.

[Sake]

Gundam pilots can't use a AT field because they don't exist in the Gundam world, just like an EVA couldn't use, say, the buster rifle/cannon thing, because it doesn't exist in the Evangelion universe. I never said they were LIKE the biblical angels, but that was NERV's name for them, so they named them after the angels. Well, my friend wasn't really a good judge, he'd get confused in study hall. ^.^;

Although I do find it funny we agree with each other on that other thread, but at each others necks on this one.

[clowtrigger]

Gundam pilots can't use a AT field because they don't exist in the Gundam world, just like an EVA couldn't use, say, the buster rifle/cannon thing, because it doesn't exist in the Evangelion universe. I never said they were LIKE the biblical angels, but that was NERV's name for them, so they named them after the angels. Well, my friend wasn't really a good judge, he'd get confused in study hall. ^.^;

Although I do find it funny we agree with each other on that other thread, but at each others necks on this one.

Sake, The point is, that we can't compare any two universes that have no same set of Physics, How would an Eva work on Minovsky Physics, How would Mobile suits would poerce an AT Field, surely we can't say it because we can't see this occuring anyways.

No offense to the Gundam fanboy's out there, but NGE's story is MUCH better and MUCH more thought out than any of the gundam ones. Don't get me wrong I like most of the Gundam series better, but you people just don't seem to grasp the NGE plot to clearly. It's really a great story once you get used to looking past robots blowing up...

Really, does this come from a person who has watched UC Gundam? You better eat your words because Gundam isn't a Super Robot Show, unlike your Philosopical rubbish called Evangelion, heck If I were to choose which has the better story, I say it's still Zeta Gundam or Gundam 0080. These relate to some real-life situations expressed in the form of stories that anyone would relate to, not some philosopical nonesense that would parodize Religion, "Di VInci code" was intelligent to say the least but EVA's a whole pile of dirt which an educated person spits to.

[Starkwynd]

The first Gundam I ever saw was MSG, and I really like most of the gundam series. The reason I think they're good is because they are political. Thing is though they really aren't as deep as EVA.

If you don't think of EVA that way then you are still too young to understand the focus of the show. edit- ("that way" as being the psycological analysis viewpoint)

I like show's that make me think, and EVA is one of the best there is in that catagory. You people try to focus on trivial little things like real life bible vs eva bible, or "technical" information, instead of paying attention to the plot as a whole. Don't go degrating a groundbreaking show just because you lack the patience/attention span to follow it correctly.

[enigma unit 01]

The first Gundam I ever saw was MSG, and I really like most of the gundam series. The reason I think they're good is because they are political. Thing is though they really aren't as deep as EVA.

If you don't think of EVA that way then you are still too young to understand the focus of the show. edit- ("that way" as being the psycological analysis viewpoint)

I like show's that make me think, and EVA is one of the best there is in that catagory. You people try to focus on trivial little things like real life bible vs eva bible, or "technical" information, instead of paying attention to the plot as a whole. Don't go degrating a groundbreaking show just because you lack the patience/attention span to follow it correctly.Good point!

[Kiba']

Gundams all theway baby there so kewl. Especially the wing Gundam from Endless Waltz. Heiro's gundam. The one with the feathers. SOO KEWL!

[Darth Tyranus]

If you don't think of EVA that way then you are still too young to understand the focus of the show. edit- ("that way" as being the psycological analysis viewpoint)
Don't condescend to me you prick!
You people try to focus on trivial little things like real life bible vs eva bible, or "technical" informationYou have to focus on the technical because it is a technical show, no one is nitpicking flcl because that would be a waste of time. Eva is a show with continiuty and an on going story so technical things MATTER. And some one said they were like real angles so i said the only reason they were called that was because it sounded cool. And that is the reason don't kid yourself folks. How was that comparing evas mythos to the bible?
Really as someone who finds all forms of religion to be a bunch of BSThat's great me to but that doesn't make annos bad writing any better.
I like show's that make me think, EVA is one of the best there is in that catagoryEVA made you think? You must have just spelled paranoia agent wrong. EVA tried way to hard to be a mind **** show and in the end only ends of with the broken ideas of what could have been a good show.
instead of paying attention to the plot as a wholeThe plot is a mess, and half of the episodes were more akin to power rangers than a serious show. Think that's absurd? Think about in at least 8 episodes out of about 22 all they do is fight giant monsters with little of anything in the way of story or charcter development going on. They just have to triumph over adversity in giant robots, sounds a lot like power rangers to me.
Don't go degrating a groundbreaking show just because you lack the patience/attention span to follow it correctly.Wow i don't think there is enough screw you in the world for this one. In all fairness most of the gundam shows are just as intricat and deep as eva is. Only those shows get decent endings, and some even have likeable characters, imagine that! Saying the last two episodes were ANYTHING but a total mess is just being a fan boy. The show really falls apart once it gets in to the upper teens in episodes. All the characters just start fighting more one dies one goes in to a coma then the show ends. But now shinji isn't depressed, that's great now all he has to work on is being a spineless *** hole. I love the fact that asuka is till in a coma when the train wreck ends. Who needs a silly thing like closure?
True he ran out of time in the last couple episodes, but I still think it was well done. Once more though this is one of the more mature aspects of the show. Casual watchers would be dissapointed by it.So you like having an ending that didn't end a god damn thing? And how was lacking any kind of closure a mature aspect in any way shape or form? I might agree if you mean being disapointed gets easier as you get older. What does casual watchers mean? You mean people who aren't fan boys? If that's what casual watchers means then i was only a casual watcher because call me crazy but i like my endings to end something.

And the movie follow up was almost as idiotic as the shows real ending. And if you think silly things like technical details don't matter why trying to prove me wrong on the AT field? Oh that's right because you're a hipocrite who just wants to be right and think he's better than every one else.

[Devilstears]

Go EVA's!

[AnimeLegend!713]

Gundams rock!!!

[Kamen Hikari]

Eva's themselves thrash Gundams. Now don't get me wrong, I love Gundam. The thing is the AT Fields the Evas have protect it from most things a Gundam could throw at it.

[Yojimbo51]

My idea about the AT field was that it was the crappy reason Anno gave for not letting the military simply blow the things straight to hell and using the evas in the first place.

Let's imagine that the Evas and the gundams were the same size, and that the idea of the AT field was gone. Who would win in a fight then?

[Kamen Hikari]

I still think an Eva would win. The controls are done by a mind, but in someone that can actually pilot decently and bang the gundam is still down. Though if it was a long range battle..or in the air the Eva would be slightly screwed.

[Darth Tyranus]

Controlled with their minds? What the hell are you talking about? They still needed to pilot the thing manually, if anything the gundams have a huge advantages thanks to the ZERO system.

[Kamen Hikari]

What the hell are you talking about? The only "manual" thing in the Eva's cockpit is the gun things, which they don't always use. Even in the 2nd episode of Eva, Shinji just wills Unit 01 to move with his mind. The ZERO system? Pssh. At least stay in with the actual Gundam timeline, not Wing.. Wing's suits are just way to overpowered.

[Darth Tyranus]

The ZERO system? Pssh. At least stay in with the actual Gundam timeline, not Wing.. Wing's suits are just way to overpowered.
Who said we had to stick to the first gundam show? No one.
What the hell are you talking about? The only "manual" thing in the Eva's cockpit is the gun things, which they don't always use
That's funny him using his mind looks a lot like him just piloting the thing like you would any giant robot. Find me some proof they can contol it with their mind, i can show you proof they don't use their mind since they show them manually piloting the things.

[Kamen Hikari]

Go watch the second episode again. Ritsuko tells Shinji just think about walking, that's all. The sync training? Everything points to the movements being controlled by their minds.

[Mugetsu]

While they do have to be in sync with their Evas in order to work them, there are controlls they have to use to pilot them. Not anyone can pilot an Eva because you have to be able to be in sync with your eva for the controls to work. It's both mental and manual control. But the actual movement is manual.

[dragongundam009]

sorry if this has been done before, but i was just thinking that...EVAS ARE SOOOOOOO MUCH BETTER THAN GUNDAMS. so i decided to make a thread of it. anyone got any views on the matter?You might be right but i think that a gundam would win a fight agist a
eva's,because gundam's are faster than evas. Anybody who has seen both show's would know that evas can't keep up with gundam's speed.That why i think gundam's are better than eva's.http://animeforum.com/images/smilies/in_awe.gif

[Sophonax]

Speed is good. Good for running away. IF a Gundam was to fight either of the UNITs, the Gundam would have some problems, seeing the fact that the UNIT would most likely just avoid all the attack, and then slice the Gundam in two halfs. Also, any ranged weapons wouldn't be any problem for the UNIT, because of the strong AT field.

[grim_reaper]

it depends whos piloting it. plus if unit 1 went beserk gundam would have no chance.

[OnSilentWings]

This is a good theoretical battle and all but in reality I suppose the victor would be dependent on the situation at hand. Put one of the Eva units in space and even a old Zaku-II would tear it apart (after all, Eva has no booster function or gravity regualtion). Also if the Eva was on the ground and fighting any of the high-end gundams (lets use Wing-Zero for this since it'll probably be the most recognizable to alot of people here) the gundam can simply sit in low orbit and wail on the eva with its buster-rifle; I doubt the AT field can stand up to several direct line shots from a particle beam that generates 6000 TW (I got the tera-watt specs from the mechanical guide, for refernce one tera watt can power a huge area for quite some time, so 6000 is ludicris...its hotter then the suns surface). Now I will give the eva the upper hand when it comes to hand to hand combat on the ground, if only because of the greater flexibility and maunverability thats part of their design...skill wise Char would still whip any of the NERV's pansy *** crew (I loved the series but hated Shinji...). So there you have it, in close range terresterial sombat the Eva wins...most any other situation the eva will just get pounded from afar. Oh and whoever said gundams look all boxy has defiantly not seen **** of the series! there a some beautiful stream-lined machines abound...ya anyway thats it


P.S. HAIL ZEON! HAIL ZEON! HAIL ZEON!

[The Governator]

actually the Buster Rifle would not be able to piece an AT field, because it took the electrical power of ALL of japan to piece Ramiels AT field and i think the Buster rifle dosnt equal to the power of a whole country

[Mugetsu]

actually the Buster Rifle would not be able to piece an AT field, because it took the electrical power of ALL of japan to piece Ramiels AT field and i think the Buster rifle dosnt equal to the power of a whole countryActually, if you go by the stats OnSilentWings gave. It seems like the Buster Rifle would rip through an AT field with no problem. My problem with the AT field is that from the way it is described, any one should be able to make one. Gundam pilots should be able to make one too. AT field...not a big deal.

[Darth Tyranus]

Go watch the second episode again. Ritsuko tells Shinji just think about walking, that's all. The sync training? Everything points to the movements being controlled by their minds.May be so, but that doesn't change the fact you SEE them piloting the things. I recal them using some kind of control device on the each side of the cock pit. Maybe my memory is fuzzy, but it seems like they used their hands to operate things.
actually the Buster Rifle would not be able to piece an AT field, because it took the electrical power of ALL of japan to piece Ramiels AT field and i think the Buster rifle dosnt equal to the power of a whole country It can go through an entire space colony, so some mental shield seems pretty plausable. Plus you have no idea how much power a beam rifle needs, really not one of us does.

[The Governator]

May be so, but that doesn't change the fact you SEE them piloting the things. I recal them using some kind of control device on the each side of the cock pit. Maybe my memory is fuzzy, but it seems like they used their hands to operate things.
there as its been stated used for firering the EVAs rifles they are somtimes equip with, you never actually see the EVAs move because of them BUT, im not sure about it, ill have to look it up

[Starkwynd]

It can go through an entire space colony, so some mental shield seems pretty plausable. Plus you have no idea how much power a beam rifle needs, really not one of us does.
ah, ok I'll give you that one, that is a good point. Keep forgetting about the colony.... I'm mostly thinking of the times it shoots that in EW.

Still think that an EVA would win against the others though.

[OnSilentWings]

actually the Buster Rifle would not be able to piece an AT field, because it took the electrical power of ALL of japan to piece Ramiels AT field and i think the Buster rifle dosnt equal to the power of a whole country
If you would have taken the time to read my post you would have realized I said the energy output was 6000 tW. A single tW of electrical energy could keep tokyo running for a bit of time so its plausible to think that 6000 tW would equal more then the entire electrical output of Japan...hell even all of America doesnt consume more then 2 tW of electricy a day. So in summation Eva would be raped by such a powerful particle shot.

[clowtrigger]

*cough Double X.... *Cough GP03/..... *Cough METEOR+Strike Freedom.... *Cough ZZ-Gundam

those models even have more powerful output than Wing Zero... How in hell would you expect EVA to win against the easily more powerful Double X? If the AT Field would not stop the TBR, The Twin sat Cannon has three times the Wingzero TBR's output, and Positron Cannons from SEED and Destiny also have that power... how the heck would you expect an EVA to win against Double X Staying in low orbit firing the Twin Sattelite Cannon at it....

[Starkwynd]

I can't find any data on Strike Freedom or Double X but the ZZ beam rifle had 21.2 MW and the GP03 was only 1.5 MW.

Compare that to the output of Zero's beam rifle of 6000 TW (you sure that's not a typo btw?) that's a LOT more than what those 2 can do.

*cough*A nuclear plant today can generate an average of 600 MW, some of the larger can produce 2000 MW. Fossile fuel plants can generate about 83 MW per furnace. Those suits don't have enough power.

edit - The Monju power plant existing in Japan today generates 300 MW. It was built in 1994. It is also a fast reactor, not a thermal reactor.

The Tokai Daini reactor, 120km north of Tokyo, delivers 1100 MW, it's a boiling water reactor.

[OnSilentWings]

I can't find any data on Strike Freedom or Double X but the ZZ beam rifle had 21.2 MW and the GP03 was only 1.5 MW.

Compare that to the output of Zero's beam rifle of 6000 TW (you sure that's not a typo btw?) that's a LOT more than what those 2 can do.

*cough*A nuclear plant today can generate an average of 600 MW, some of the larger can produce 2000 MW. Fossile fuel plants can generate about 83 MW per furnace. Those suits don't have enough power.

edit - The Monju power plant existing in Japan today generates 300 MW. It was built in 1994. It is also a fast reactor, not a thermal reactor. Well to be perfectly honest honest I did download my tech manuals off of WinMX and they seem to be fan-translated. I have ran into errors relying on them before so its pretty likely what I listed was wrong due to poor source materials. If that is the case I apologize for my being a bastard earlier...but that is what it says in front of me; anyone have an official Non-crappy fan translation tech manual to go off of? I dont think mine can be trusted.

The manual may have said 600 mW for all I know and the translator saw 6000 tW...I always did think 6000 tW was insanly high, since just 1 tW is damn high.

[clowtrigger]

I can't find any data on Strike Freedom or Double X but the ZZ beam rifle had 21.2 MW and the GP03 was only 1.5 MW.

Compare that to the output of Zero's beam rifle of 6000 TW (you sure that's not a typo btw?) that's a LOT more than what those 2 can do.

*cough*A nuclear plant today can generate an average of 600 MW, some of the larger can produce 2000 MW. Fossile fuel plants can generate about 83 MW per furnace. Those suits don't have enough power.

edit - The Monju power plant existing in Japan today generates 300 MW. It was built in 1994. It is also a fast reactor, not a thermal reactor.

The Tokai Daini reactor, 120km north of Tokyo, delivers 1100 MW, it's a boiling water reactor. That's because ZZ and GP03 rely on Shell Weapons, yes you can say EVA's could do them easily but ZZ has an Invincibility mode and GP03 is space only... so... they still count

[princess kakurine]

both are cool, but i prefer the gundams!