Which pilot is the best from all Gundam series?

[飛竜]

Hello everyone here it is I, Tatsuya Suou.
Tell me who is the greatest pilot of good or evil from Gundam series?

Mine is Amuro Ray. The reason is...

- Newtype ability
- Skillfull
- nice personality
- deadly

[bakakame]

Zechs because almost evryone else has genetic enhancements or newtype abilities but he conciously pilots and I think he is a more seasoned pilot than Heero so Zechs.

[clowtrigger]

Amuro Ray
-Oldschool Rules

[Reika Yagami]

I must vote Kira san, because he is cool character for sure. :P

[sanokidsasuke]

Wufei Chan. My all time favorite gundam and pilot

[KidCash]

it really hard between herro nad Domon they both are great pilots but Domon does that whole full house gold glow thing buring finger

[mew sango]

i say kira, he's awsome^^

[-Batman-]

Mine is kinda drawn between...

Heero
Trowa
Zechs


for a few reaons.
-They all pilot kick *** Gundams
-They are all cool characters
-They don't fear death...and if they do they hide it VERY well
-None of them would hesitate to self destruct their gundam to win a fight, look at Heero >_>

[clowtrigger]

Amuro& will Kick the Backstreet boys' sorry asses with their funnels. And Nu-Gundam/Strike Freedom will destroy your wing "Zero".

Wingers often worship The BAckstreet boys, Heero, Trowa , Wu-fei, Duo and Quatre because:
1. They're dummies in Gundam.
2. They do not even know Mobile Suit Gundam, Z-Gundam, ZZ-Gundam, Char's Counterattack, Gundam SEED, Gundam SEED Destiny. You ask them what a Gouf is, wait, they're dummies. they don't know wtf is a gouf.
3. They only know Heero as the "best" pilot around. Kira, Amuro, Char, Kamille, Shinn, Athrun, hell even Ramba Ral would play with this sucker!
4. They Think Wing "Zero" is the Bomb, while Strike Freedom will disect it with pinpoint accuracy, Zeta will breeze to it like nothing, Nu-Gundam well, see the Strike Freedom Comment, and Gundam Double X would obliterate that "Gundam"

[-Batman-]

Jesus christ crow, can you get off of the gundam seed thing. Just because you can across this forum and constantly complain about it. You like Gundam Seed more than the other series, good for youm but stop trying to push your ways onto other people.

1. They're dummies in Gundam.
So what your saying is that ANY person who just happens to like Gundam Wing is dumb.

I can just say the same about seed, that doesn't mean it's true.

2.2. They do not even know Mobile Suit Gundam, Z-Gundam, ZZ-Gundam, Char's Counterattack, Gundam SEED, Gundam SEED Destiny. You ask them what a Gouf is, wait, they're dummies. they don't know wtf is a gouf.

MS-07B "Gouf" single pilot moble suit used by Zeon,successor to the Zaku II. Do i need to go into tech details and list all of the armamnets, propultion, ect?

3. They only know Heero as the "best" pilot around. Kira, Amuro, Char, Kamille, Shinn, Athrun, hell even Ramba Ral would play with this sucker!

Amuro and Char, i can agree with.

4. They Think Wing "Zero" is the Bomb, while Strike Freedom will disect it with pinpoint accuracy, Zeta will breeze to it like nothing, Nu-Gundam well, see the Strike Freedom Comment, and Gundam Double X would obliterate that "Gundam"

for the love of...are you trying to turn this into another debate thread, just leave peoples opinions alone. So they like Wing more than Seed, who cares.Your debate was locked, so just give it up.

[Envy><]

Heero Yuy!! he is the best pilot no doubt about that

[EternaDragoon]

Best pilot all around has got to be Duo Maxwell! *Huggles Duo plushie* He may run, he may lie, but he never tells a lie! Not only does he have skill, he has a sorrowful past yet still goes through the day with a smile.

I've seen Mobile Suit Gundam, Z-Gundam, Gundam 0080 Gundam SEED, Gundam -8th MS Team, and Gundam X, and Gundam Wing still happens to be my favorite. Why? Because, though many of the other Gundam series had great plots including Gundam SEED, the Gundam Wing storyline was (IMO) the best one of all.

As for which Gundam I like, I like the Deathscythe Hell and the Aegis. Not the Wing, not the Strike Freedom, not the Zeta, not the Nu-Gundam, not the double Zero, not any the central characters Gundams like Heero and what not. I don't sucker myself for always favoring the main character. I see more depth in those that influence the main character's life, because influence tends to be a bit more meaningful than just plain existance.

[Kukuriyu]

Heero Yuy... He's stoic.

[Orca]

Athren Zala

[mimiruchan]

Athren ZalaI agree athren is an awsome pilot ^^

[Ami~chan]

Hmm... My favorite gundam is Tallgeese, so henceforth my favorite pilot is Zechs.

Yes, I know he isn't the strongest or best, but I like his style. Plus, he was just great in "Endless Waltz".

Second favorite is Char. Yeah, Char ^^

[Shiryuu]

Yes, I know he isn't the strongest or best
So, if you know he's not the best, then why vote for him? The thread is supposed to be about who is the best pilot afterall.

[Ami~chan]

When I said "best" I meant the best in combat. Zechs is just cool and awesome in my opinion; he's the "best" to me.

[cowboydemon666]

Athren.

[clowtrigger]

It's Athrun, and GUNDAM WING SUX!!!! Story rushed.check, Annoying boyband of destruction. Check. Annoying princess who could do nothing. Check. Disposable Grunts. At least in SEED Destiny we see Grunts take out a Gundam.

and don't underestimate the power of the Ultimate Coordiantor/Newtype
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6052/animation25hn.gif

Gundam Wing is boring, nonsense, its a disgrace to the War drama called Gundam!

[FlashD]

Well, I didn't see all the series yet, but from the ones I saw it's Heero Yui.

[Sir_Twist]

Heero Yuy

[[BlackDeath]]

Kira Yamato, why? Because he was a born weapon, any MS he uses has the potential to become more leathal than any other. Thought his skills went to waist as he was raised like a normal child and not the way he was made to be.

[The Wing Man]

Heero is my faviorte and i think the best pilot up there.

[clowtrigger]

Heero is my faviorte and i think the best pilot up there.Heero is not the best because Amuro and Kira could rip off his ***

[Angel of Dreams]

HEERO RUCKS!:bow:

[clowtrigger]

How can Heero rock when he's only xxxxxxxth fiddle to Amuro, Char, Garrod, Kamille, Judau, Kira, Shinn, Athrun. Heck even Stellar, Lunamaria, Four, Ple, and Haman pilot better than he does

[-Batman-]

For the love of... CLOW, this thread is for peoples OPINIONS, we had a thread for this, and it was closed. Just because you have some kind of personal beef with a fictional character, stop telling people not to like him.

[clowtrigger]

This Thread talks about the best pilot: Naturally. Saying that Heero is the best is understandable in a Favorite Thread, I never heard Favorite in the Thread Title.

Also saying that Crap has it's complications:
1. How could heero be the best when Amuro and Kira are proving us that he's not that good
2. Stellar, Haman and other female pilots are better in comparison to Heero.

in a point, I'm just respecting the threads title, Because it says Best pilot in the Gundam Universe

[-Batman-]

still, arguing other peoples opinions is pointless, your not going to change minds, and your just going to waste time replying. Hell, i could say vash the stampede is the best Gundam pilot,as wrong and stupid as that is, it would still be my opinion.
Not everyone will share your opinion, just accept the fact and move on. Your actling like people thinking Heero is the best pilot is bad or something.

And i also found a slight loophole in the poll question.
"Which pilot is the best from all Gundam series?"

that can mean many things

"Which pilot is the best kisser"
"Which pilot is the best Dancer"
"Which pilot has the best aim"
"Which pilot has the best luck"

it doesn't specificly say "Which pilot is the best pilot"
it would be diffrent if it said "Which character is the best pilot"

maybe some people think herros the best looking, or something along those lines. Don't you just love loop holes?

[clowtrigger]

But this is a Mecha Thread. Unless you're blind. Naturally you talk about mecha skills here!

[-Batman-]

yes, mecha skills...so what do pilots have to do with mecha skill?

theres the skill of the pilot
and the skill of the mech.

[clowtrigger]

It's understandable with the favorite thread, but it's an insult to Amuro and Char if Everybody thinks an Amateur like Heero be hailed as the Best, Heck even Four, Stellar, and Haman could pilot better than him

[-Batman-]

They aren't being insulted because they are fictional.just let it go already.

[clowtrigger]

But their importance to the franchise is being destroyed

[-Batman-]

It happens to everything.

[samuriagent]

i'm stayin out'a that



i would have to say Christina from 0080 or Duo

[The Governator]

Heero of course hes a cold harted assain and doesnot care about the mobile suit pilots he kills also he would rip Amuro to shreds! with just his teeth!

[Myrcice Maeghym]

I'll always like Domon...because G Gundam was the first Gundam show I've ever seen, and I saw the whole series. XD So yeah...I vote Domon.

[kanin]

Hero Yuy!!! no need for seed mode

[clowtrigger]

Reasons why Heero isn't the Greatest...
From UC:
Amuro will Kick his ***...
Ple would make him look like a retard!!!!
Judau would make him mincemeat
Kamille would Make him his Ragdoll
Char would Axe Him to death

From AC:
Zechs was better than Him IMO
Duo is even cooler

From AW:
Garrod would pawn him like there's no tommorow
Roybe will outmaneuver him

From CC:
Loran would Destroy him as soon as Moonlight Butterfly Activates

From CE:
Kira would destroy him in 1 minute
Athrun would Slice and Dice the Faggot
Shinn would Chop down his ***
Rau will disect him
Mwu would pawn him w/ a Skygrasper

[Vagary]

My favorite pilot is WuFei, but Heero is the best pilot.

[bakakame]

*sigh* I can't believe I'm actually going back to this Heero vs Kira debate.

I still think that Heero is a better pilot that Kira. The keyword here is PILOT.

If you ask who is better at piloting, then yea of course Kira's gonna be better.

But piloting ang being a pilot are 2 different things. For example, I've loved the thought of flying since I was a kid. I've played almost every kind of flight simulator ever made and am easily an ace. When I took flying lessons for the first time I could control the plane better than my instructor. My Uncle was in the Navy and is friends with an ex-Blue Angel. While visiting a few months ago he was there and I challenged him to a few flight combat games. Out of over 20 sorties, he never shot me down once.

Does that make me a better pilot than a Blue Angel? Of course not. I may have the skills but it will be a long time before I have the attitude and actual experiance to come close to it.

That is my main point I'm trying to make. Kira isn't a pilot, he's a civilian turned fighter. Even in Destiny from what you're telling me he's not close to Heero in that manner. Kira could handle any mobile suit better than Heero could without a doubt(with the exception of the Zero system) but he's not even close to being the type of pilot that Heero or Zechs is. Almost no one else is.

[lionheartghost]

Miliardo Peacecraft a.k.a. Zechs Merquise. He's the man.

[Knife_Messiah]

Ever realized that Heero never seems to die? Yet, each time he falls out of his gundam, he lands head first?

[Uchiha Ulquiorra]

I think their all great, but hero is the best

[ssj4gogeta]

Wrll i think it is Kera from gundum seed when he is piloting the freedom gundum and when his coodenater skill rises. You know when there is a cystal and it breakes.
Or else I like dearka piolting the buster gundum.

[clowtrigger]

You can't face it, Heero is DEAD LAST WHEN COMPARED TO THE LIKES OF:


Amuro cough*
Char cough*
Ple Cough*
Kamille cough*
Judau cough*
Garrod cough*
Kira Cough*
Shinn Cough*
Athrun Cough*
Usso Cough*
****And the list goes on*****

And Ple is that Girl in the Pic, and She's amobile suit pilot, from ZZ Gundam Piloting a Quebeley...

All that Heero does is just purely PLOT HOLE... and you should stop worshipping Gundam Wing... THE MODS FRANKLY, ARE GETTING SICK OF YOUR ONE DIMENSIONAL GUNDAM TALK w/o UC/CE/AW/CC. Heck, this Mech forum is sure good, the only Gundam fans are boyband worshipers who don't know crap about true skill as demonstrated by your Red Comet and the White Devil! Heck even Ple, Cagalli or Quess could pawn Heero and his **** bandmates to Hell!

You Obviously haven't watched any UC, because if you did, you would probably know by now that Heero is DEAD LAST WHEN IT COMES TO PILOTING SKILL!
OH, DON'T JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW **** ABOUT DESTINY!
Oh, can Heero do this???
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/clowtrigger/sfreedom6ou.jpg

If you can't get the pic... This is what Happened. Kira throws his Rifles up, after that. He uses his Shields to block the Anti-Ship sword from not just a Grunt, but Destiny!. After that, He catches the Rifles DMC3 Style!
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/8610/strikefreedomvsdestiny27nh.gif




I give you time to watch SEED Destiny 39-42.... and from Char's Counterattackto Victory... before answering the question. Comparing Amuro/Kira to Heero is like comparing MJ to a Basketball noob. Face it.... I don't think you will agree with me until you see Destiny... and another thing, in SEED Kira's a Civilian, In Destiny He's a full Pledged pilot.

That looks a lot like Recoa. But once again I couldn't stand the poor animation of the earlier gundams so I'm just kinda guessing here..... So does that prove that UC Pilots<AC Pilots, You're too assuming. Gundam Wing is DEAD LAST WHEN IT COMES TO SHOWCASING OF SKILL! IT IS A MASSACRE RATHER!!!! You would say Gundam Wing>>>UC/CE/AW because 1.UC has Sucky animation that's why they suck skill -wise 2.CE has coordinators that obviously pawns the Wing Pilots so you come up with the "it's in the genes part" which is not so true becuase Mwu can pawn Coordinators and Cagalli can own as much as Lunamaria can!? 3. Because Gundam Wing is the only thing You worship and you can never accept someone like: Amuro/Kira/Athrun/Shinn/Kamille/Garrod/Char/Haman/Quess/Ple/Ple two are really better than your stupid-*** Boyband of Doom who:
1. Failed their First Mission
2. Killed the People who wished for peace
3. Suck at Disabling Grunts

Oh and Sapho, before closing the Thread, Please note these Wingers, about the what's the True Difference between an AU and a UC Series???

[bakakame]

So does that prove that UC Pilots<AC Pilots, You're too assuming. Gundam Wing is DEAD LAST WHEN IT COMES TO SHOWCASING OF SKILL! IT IS A MASSACRE RATHER!!!! You would say Gundam Wing>>>UC/CE/AW because 1.UC has Sucky animation that's why they suck skill -wise 2.CE has coordinators that obviously pawns the Wing Pilots so you come up with the "it's in the genes part" which is not so true becuase Mwu can pawn Coordinators and Cagalli can own as much as Lunamaria can!? 3. Because Gundam Wing is the only thing You worship and you can never accept someone like: Amuro/Kira/Athrun/Shinn/Kamille/Garrod/Char/Haman/Quess/Ple/Ple two are really better than your stupid-*** Boyband of Doom who:
1. Failed their First Mission
2. Killed the People who wished for peace
3. Suck at Disabling Grunts

Oh and Sapho, before closing the Thread, Please note these Wingers, about the what's the True Difference between an AU and a UC Series???
um... where did that come from?

I've already said several times that I like SEED better than Wing, I just like Wing as well.

Also, like I said, in terms of piloting skill Heero isn't close to most pilots. If I was going by skill I would have said Duo has the most in Wing. I'm not gonna repost my pilot vs piloting thing though, that would be redundant and annoying. *cough*

I never said anything of the sort demeaning the skill of UC pilots. I merely said that I couldn't watch them for long cause the animation and voicing gave me a headache. You really need to stop putting words in other peoples mouths.

[Shizzy]

Athrun all the way. That pansy Kira ain't got nothin on him.

[clowtrigger]

Well Kira did this to Athrun...
http://img137.echo.cx/img137/233/saviourpwnedavy7jl8np9ma2dn.gif
Well, A preview of what Kira can do now...
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/8610/strikefreedomvsdestiny27nh.gif

[Masato Indou]

If You ask me the best gundam pilot was Duo Maxwell, And he was matched By Triton/ Trowa Barton

[clowtrigger]

Well I have a question to ask you mr Winged Demon... Exactly, How many Gundam Series did you watch?

Well another Question Bakakame, Since when Did Heero completely own Zechs. Oh and why can't you say that UC Pilots>>>>>SEED pilots>>>>>>>AC Pilots. You obviously are still underestimating the Piloting skill of the one and only Amuro Ray, and also his second coming, Kira Yamato?? Kira has even more potential than Amuro, because, hell it's just his second series and he's ascending to a level of piloting nobody in Gundam has ever seen, to be able to control Dragoons, to pull off moves that are too fast and difficult for other pilots to do... Refer to the pics ubove, those moves are done w/in a split second's time. Those require a constant concentration, another thing, the people he was engaging are not your grunt pilots, they're actually Shinn and Athrun equally skilled Pilots. So If you're going to say the alibi:"It's only the Genes", better think again because he's engaging Shinn and Athrun, both Coordinators.

[bakakame]

yea, we get the picture, you like SEED Destiny a lot and have little respect for people who haven't seen other gundam series or who don't worship the same charecters you do.

Oh and Sapho, before closing the Thread, Please note these Wingers, about the what's the True Difference between an AU and a UC Series???
You're kinda the one spamming this thread here, so don't blame someone else if it gets closed.

[clowtrigger]

What I actually don't like are people who keep on saying Heero or *Insert Gundam W character here* w/o any proof on battle data or any official info because it clearly stands that Kira=second Coming of Amuro Ray. and Amuro Ray>>>> Anyone else in terms of piloting... oh and it's a no brainer in Animesuki, Animenation and on All other MAJOR ANIME FORUMS THAT AMURO>>KIRA>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>HEERO

[gerardlover24]

i love Domon he is da best of the best and i don't care what any one eles thinks.

sike:p you can tell me what you think any time.

kira is cute though. who's with me .:laugh: is'nt he well he is to me

[bakakame]

Let me say this, is ranting about it going to change their minds or stop them from saying Heero?

Yes, Heero is near the bottom of the spectrum in piloting skills. He's not even 1st in the AC era.

But getting angry at everyone and insulting them isn't gonna change anyones mind.

[clowtrigger]

Well, This is a bit though to get through your stomach though, Domon is not considered a Mobile suit Pilot. He's a Mobile Fighter by Definition alone.

Still when you're talking about Conventional Pilot's Amuro or Kira would be the nice bet.
When you're talking about uberness and cheap re-use animations expert, Heero would be nice....LOL

@bakakame:Please tell me that you're kidding, Heero has become somewhat a God here, Insulting him or telling that He's not as good as most UC/CE Pilots is a crime... Oh and you should be the one explaining since you know stuff about other series yet you refuse to do so.You should be the one to inform them about why the Newtypes and Coordinators are Superior, Yet you still insist that they have special "abilities", what about The Zero System? Another thing I wouldn't mind if the Thread's title is FAVORITE Gundam Pilot...

Unfortunately it just so happens that it deals with an objective aspect, so the post need to have sufficient information or reason to work... Saying that Heero is the best with no apparent reason is like telling the judge that tihs person is guilty as charged because you don't like the person. You must stay in an objective manner. It's just so redundant that MANY misplace Heero and overrate him as a Mobile suit Pilot, It's so disheartening for the other fans especially those Amuro fans who have watched and compared how Amuro ray, A guy who just in 5 minutes ... became a pilot thanks to a guidebook, become nothing of value here in the forums and also the likes of you who treat Kira Yamato, the true Amuro Homage he is, as a guy who is just lucky because of his Genes, Give Credit where it's due... And I do have some good memories about Heero but the things he did were so much did by Amuro. And Kira has more creativity than he does, simply put, I have seen too much to comment on him...

[IshtarXDuzzel]

I'd have to say heero's the best because I haven't heard or amuro and Kira's just not as good.

[Wandering Samurai]

Heero is the best.

[clowtrigger]

Well back on topic, You're saying this because you don't know a thing about amuro or kira? Remember, to give an opinion on something you do not comprehend is oblivious...

[chaoscntrl77]

Duo Maxwell is the best.

[clowtrigger]

Well... If you're talking about Gundam Wing....
If not... Forget it.

[Star Alchemist]

I was either going to pick Aumro or Char, and since Amuro beaten Char I am going to go with Aumro Because he is a Newtype. Which is enough said. And seeing how I only like the Gundam Series from Universal Century it was the logical choice... Kamile is kinda... I dunno. Newtypes really only fall to other Newtypes. Coordinators would kinda be in the same class, but I don't think Kira would be able to take on Amuro.

But seeing as how it isn't fair to even compare the other Gundam wing pilots to Amuro, I am going to go with Zechs out of everyone else who isn't a coordinator or Newtype on this list. I think his pure piloting skills set him apart from everyone else. I remember when he took on 4 of the Gundam Pilots all by himself with only 3 Mobile Dolls, that was pretty cool. Plus he fights with Homor.

Aside from that... I hate G Gundam (No offense.) It's a disgrace to all of the other shows.

[clowtrigger]

Thanks chum, I like your statement... Well It kinda Agrees with this One
Amuro>>>Kira>>>>>>>>Heero

[Crimson Phoenix]

Heero. End of story, and Clowtrigger can keep his mouth shut about it please.

[Star Alchemist]

Heero. End of story, and Clowtrigger can keep his mouth shut about it please.

Heero over Amuro or Kira..? ... <No comment.>

[Melian Chang]

My favorite pilot, who believes in his own sense of Integrety, is Wufei Chang! And I don't mean to be rude to anyone else out there that Think Gundam Wing is the worst, personally I think It's the best! (no I haven't seen any of the others) but from the way people bash Gundam Wing, I don't WANT to see the others, cuz I love my lil Gundam Wing series! (I wish I had a Wufei plushy!)

[clowtrigger]

^ Okay, Ive seen the Worst case of Winger here, to ditch Kira is okay, BUT AMURO OF ALL PEOPLE!!!

[Star Alchemist]

My favorite pilot, who believes in his own sense of Integrety, is Wufei Chang! And I don't mean to be rude to anyone else out there that Think Gundam Wing is the worst, personally I think It's the best! (no I haven't seen any of the others) but from the way people bash Gundam Wing, I don't WANT to see the others, cuz I love my lil Gundam Wing series! (I wish I had a Wufei plushy!)
Well... I don't blame you, Gundam wing is more of a fantasy type of series... DOn't get me wrong, its Anime it is all fantasy... But I've seen Wing Episodes where Heero will gun down Hundreds of Moble suits... Which is completely unrealistic even for Anime.

But the reason why people like the Universal Century Anime's is because they have more of a tactical sense to them. Touching on the Specificatens of Technolgy, Evolution, Specifics. And some people enjoy that more. More of a sense of some realism. And thats MY conclusion why people hate wing. Or like the other series better... Simply its really unrealistic.

[teed]

heero from gundam wing!

[clowtrigger]

Well... I don't blame you, Gundam wing is more of a fantasy type of series... DOn't get me wrong, its Anime it is all fantasy... But I've seen Wing Episodes where Heero will gun down Hundreds of Moble suits... Which is completely unrealistic even for Anime.

But the reason why people like the Universal Century Anime's is because they have more of a tactical sense to them. Touching on the Specificatens of Technolgy, Evolution, Specifics. And some people enjoy that more. More of a sense of some realism. And thats MY conclusion why people hate wing. Or like the other series better... Simply its really unrealistic. Which is Why WIng could never win the Skills Department... Even the Female Pilots from Argama would rip everyone from wing like nothing. Lunamaria and Stellar from Destiny would simply erase Duo and Trowa, Ple and Ple Two would Destroy Wufei and Quatre, and Fa will take the Liberty of Killing off Heero... LOL

[Melian Chang]

Frankly I don't care. I love Gundam Wing and that's all I have to say about it... I love fantasy. and NOTHING is to fantasy for Anime. Heck, look at Yu-Gi-Oh! and Fushigi Yuugi. (don't like YGO NEARLY as much as most anime)

[clowtrigger]

Well, That does not comply with the Topic, since it clearly says Best Gundam Pilot

[bakakame]

Gundam Wing a fantasy?

I know that wing was specifically made to attract new crowds to the Gundam Universe, so it's not gonna be as "technical" but I would hardly call it fantasy either.

Anyway yea when posting your pilot choice would be helpful to give a bit of a reason. I understand that answers CAN be different. Like I said before our views on what makes a "pilot" are gonna vary, so there's gonna be more than one right answer.

My personal view on what makes a pilot is from the view of someone who has been working for 2 years now to try to become a marine. I feel that there is more to being a pilot than just controling your mobile suit. Attitude, calm, focus, experiance, as well as others are a part of being a successful soldier.

Of the Gundam era's, I feel that the best pilots by that description are:

UC - Char
AC - Zechs
CE - Mwu

and of those 3 I feel that Zechs is the best view of what a pilot should be, and my vote still stands as the only one he has.

[Goku(AKIRA)]

heero yuy hands down and the first Gundam series was the best

[clowtrigger]

WTHeck are you talking About?? Gundam Wing is NOT the First Gundam Series, it's Mobile Suit Gundam, The one With Amuro Ray!!!... Sheesh, This Thread gets Lamer by the minute

[raziel]

Heero is not the best because Amuro and Kira could rip off his ***heero would kick kira butt. amuro vs heero i would love to see that

[Star Alchemist]

Gundam Wing a fantasy?

I know that wing was specifically made to attract new crowds to the Gundam Universe, so it's not gonna be as "technical" but I would hardly call it fantasy either.

Anyway yea when posting your pilot choice would be helpful to give a bit of a reason. I understand that answers CAN be different. Like I said before our views on what makes a "pilot" are gonna vary, so there's gonna be more than one right answer.

My personal view on what makes a pilot is from the view of someone who has been working for 2 years now to try to become a marine. I feel that there is more to being a pilot than just controling your mobile suit. Attitude, calm, focus, experiance, as well as others are a part of being a successful soldier.

Of the Gundam era's, I feel that the best pilots by that description are:

UC - Char
AC - Zechs
CE - Mwu

and of those 3 I feel that Zechs is the best view of what a pilot should be, and my vote still stands as the only one he has.

If you read all of the posts I stated outside of all the characters outside of the Universal Century Zechs would be the best pilot so I agree with you in that respect...

But things go off into fantasyland when one single poilot and kill off 100 moble suits ... Thats just totally out the window. And to a group of people who saw Universal Century Animes first... Then it would just look very strange... It is enertaining... But you working to become a Mariene you should know better than anyone, a pilot even shooting down ten airplanes in a battle would make him a legend among the ranks

But when you talk about the quallities of a solider... Didn't Zechs end up betraying Triez(sp?)..? And wasn't he the same guy who wanted to blow up the earth..? So if you're talking about terrorist tactics then I question your defnition of a good soldier...

[bakakame]

Well, in UC Char tried to kill off the earth by dropping asteroids on it, and I haven't seen much of Destiny (finally finished downloading episode 2, the only one I have) so I don't have much information, but it looks like Mwu sorta turned into Rau.

Also let's face it this is anime, in SEED 4 prototype mobile suits took out an entire orbital fleet that was lead by the guy who had the mobile suits built, and later on you have the freedom and justice blowing the crap outs mobile suits left and right and acurately enough to not even kill anyone at that. Heero blowing up 100 guys isn't that much different. I mean it's anime, come on.

That's just how it goes to make the shows more dramatic. Except for in Wing, all the protagonists were civilians who just suddenly needed to jump into a mech and kick butt. All the antagonists ended up going off and trying to kill everyone. That's just the way it is in anime.

[Star Alchemist]

You're veyr correct... That -IS- how it goes... Realistic or not. It is Anime like I had stated before. Fantasyland.

And besides the fact, I wasn't talking about Gundam SEED, I was talking about the Universal Century Animes. You will not see a single pilot take down 100 Mobile suits in any Universal Century Anime. Kinda like you will not see any real pilot take down 100 Airplanes in a dog fight... People like that sense of realism in Anime, and if you saw the earlier gundam shows first, then Wing would just be a comedy to them having no sense of realism.

[clowtrigger]

^Yup... I was re-watching Zeta and It's nothing like Gundam Wing and Also in SEED Destiny, It's not the way you said it because the EA and ZAFT both have advanced mobile suits now. It's like the Three Ship Alliance has Strike Freedom and Infinite Justice but ZAFT Has Destiny and Legend. Orb now has better suits than that of EA and ZAFT, ClyneFaction has the DOM... The variety of suits rivals UC.

[Star Alchemist]

Well in most of the Universal Century series even though Zeon isn't still around, they still have some simular looking mobile suits... So I guess it is a trait of the series.

[SGI]

I vote for Char Aznable, and for actual decent reasons.

1.)Screen presence, even Char haters can't deny the fact that whenever he's on screen he steals most every characters presence (except mabye Amuro's because well, he's the star of the show).

2.)Piloting ability. In raw piloting ability i'd say he is Amuro's equl. I've seen countless debates on who is better, and where skill comes in and where pure "Newtype potential" is but i'd say more or less they are equl.

3.)Political ambition, you just got to love it.

4.)And this one may sound stupid but he had far cooler flings with females than Amuro ever had... except mabye Lahlah Sunne which they both shared.

[*Stargazer*]

All of them

[GhostFireFly]

I'd say Kira Yamato from Gundam Seed and Gundam Seed Destiny.

[mastercane]

Heero is the best in my book but Kira overall would kill Amuro and destroy everyone else

[†Prince §even†]

i think Heero is the best

[shanyetta]

Heero, but if there were two choices Heero and Zechs, they were always pretty evenly matched.

[AzNTediZ]

Heero is better cuz he is always focused

[AzNTediZ]

Heero is better cuz he is always focused

[SerenityPeace]

The best is Kira Yamato.

[White Wolf Of Solomon]

Im going to say Amuro Ray he got into the Gundam and took it from there,He had great piloting skills and My second choice would be Char because he just cant be ignored while on screen

[Luzifer]

I go with the Extendeds. Because they could keep pace with genetically superior co-ordinators. Especially the first three Shani, Orga, and Crot since they were the least modified. All they had was a little mental conditioning and Gamma Glipheptin seperating them from other naturals

[bug]

Heero Yuy, is my favorite pilot. He is the best gundam pilot I've seen in the gundam series that I saw.

[shinryuzero]

Hello, a newbie here in these forum. My Vote for best pilot is Heero Yuy :laugh: .

Now why is he my Favorite? For the sake of argument... and for some clarifications... Now I would only base My comparisons on the type of "People" the Gundam Universe has that I know.

New Types:
Generally they are just... People... with enhance ability of perseption. Now for those who would say "What?! NT's are not just like that?!" well Amuro himself said those word in one of the episodes of the first gundam series Aside from that it is always been in every Super Robot Wars dialoge that pertains to NT's. Think of NT's as people with "Exceptional Skills" Given by Nature. Are they Good? Yes they are. But that Doesn't mean they cant be defeated. Even with those Fancy Funnels. Look at Garrod Ran of GX he was beaten silly by a NT at first bec. of that Funnel Weapon but Later he learned that it can be stopped.

Coordinators:
They are like NT's but are genetically enhanced Both Physically and Mentally. They are not Natural as we all know but, what most people don't know that being a Cordy (Coordinator) doesn't mean that Everything has been Enhanced to them. Some don't have the abilities of Athrun, Shinn or Kira. They are Just Coordinators because some Hereditary Illness have been remove from their Genes. Also The Greatest Flow of Cordy's is the fact that they can no longer evolve. I wont go to the statistics of "Evolution" since this is just a Minor Description of Cordy's.

Super Human:
Well... This is the only description of the G-Fighters of the G-Gundam Universe. Heck they are just Naturals with... Unusual Abilities :ninja: .

Naturals:
Plain old humans...:)

Old Types:
Ancestors of New Types. Slight Enhancement courtesy of nature but are not that Evolve like NT's

Enhanced:
Usually this type of people are forced to go Beyond NT's and Cordy's. Some are Genetically Enhanced but not like Cordy's that Enhancements are done while still in Embrayo stage. Enhanced people get enhancement when they reach their Growing stage either by the use of Genetic Manipulation or By some sort of medicine. Most Only leave a short Life. Clones can be said to belong in this Group.

Kai:
In Between Enhanced and Super Human. Comparable or even better than NT's or Cordy's. Basically they are Gifted with aspects that are enhanced through experience and training. They are Very Fast learners and can cope to almost any situations. Although their abilities don't include creating techniques like those of Domon or have Ultra sensetive perception ability found on NT's and Cordy's they are more than a match To those type of persons. Also since NT's, Cordy's and SH type of persons deal with the fact that they can Speculate their opponents move Because of their enhanced perception through their opponents emotions... Thus The lightning thing that sparks to NT's and Cordy's whenever they fire those Funnels and sensing other NT's, Kai's don't show any sign of EMOTIONS making this type of people hard to predict in battle.

Now you might all be wondering why the hell I have to mention those type of people in the Gundam Universe or where the heck did I got those Info's so Here are the answer for those 2 Questions:

1. To make it Clear the Reason Why I choosed Heero... 'coz Heero is a Kai Person.

2. Research. A Good Source of info are Gundamofficial.com and wikipedia though some info's are missing or contradicting to official statements maybe because of mistranslation, Games that Came from Bandai namely the SD Generation Series. I would also like to mention that although the SD Generation Series give Good Info on the different Gundam Universe I also did ask questions Through E-mails at the support section of sunrise and bandai. Although it will take forever for them to actually answer you back :unsure: . Other sources are Japanese magazines Such as New Type Magazine (Old Ones), Video Footage of interviews with the creators of the different series, heck you can find them in the Internet if you search throughly. Some came from friends residing in Japan. Take note though that my Research goes WAYYYYYYYYYY BACKKKKK... and of course watching/reading the actual series.

I based my opinion on these why I choosed Heero. Every Pilot has their strenght and weaknesses and in the end its just generally the preference of each individual. Oh yeah... Another thing Heero Has Been Raised as A living Perfect Weapon... Kira was designed to be an Ultimate Coordinator in which in the end he is still human with issues. Sure Those famouse NT's and Cordy's are great but the fact still remains... They where not made as weapons.

BTW... There is someone more greater than Heero Yuy... Unfortunately I'm not sure if you can consider him as a pilot. He also resides in the GW universe and as a final Footnote.... NT's, OT's, Cordy's, Naturals and SH's cant control the ZERO System... Just worth mentioning.

[SGI]

Old Types:
Ancestors of New Types. Slight Enhancement courtesy of nature but are not that Evolve like NT's

According to the Gundam novels written by Yoshiyuki Tomino (the creator of Gundam) Oldtypes is a derogatory term used by Spacenoids to those who have backwards, earth-centric thinking.

[shinryuzero]

According to the Gundam novels written by Yoshiyuki Tomino (the creator of Gundam) Oldtypes is a derogatory term used by Spacenoids to those who have backwards, earth-centric thinking.
Yeah what you say is also right. But due to evolution of the Gundam Universe and the complexity of some Dimensions in the story some of the Terms actually used Vary in the different universe of Gundam. The old type I use was that of the GX universe or time line. I was confused for a long time about such a statement coming from Tomino if you compare it to the other description of the other creators of the other series :unsure: . But I guess this is due to the fact that most people just redifine things and varies in the perspective of each creators.

[SGI]

Aaah so your reference of Oldtypes are the "Grade F's" during the After War timeline. (The group of failed attempts at creating Cyber Newtypes led by the Frost Brothers who displayed unique powers and abilities, but often serve psychotic tenacities.)

[shinryuzero]

Yup. kinda confusing but since where talking about pilots here (Not name calls) I used the terms that are generally depicting a pilot OT.

Ironically most debates about whos the who of the Gundam universe actually comes from the fact that most people has still little knowledge about the truth of the Gundam Universe. Sufficient enough to say in reallity all pilots are good at what they do. but I guess Bandai also has the greatest fault. You can see it in their Games and other stuff conserning merchandising their gundams. Heck they just want to keep the people wanting more so in the end its still bussiness.

[SGI]

Of course it's still buisness. Gundam was originally created to sell the toy robot (Originally called Gunboy). It was just that maverick Tomino, sick and tired of the same fare of giant robots had other ideas.

[Night Strife]

I would have to say Heero Yuy and Trowa from Gundam wing. They both are good gundam pilots.

[Schwarze]

amuro sure, and i prefer pilots from universal century. bside he's a newtype who can use psycommu, he also defeated his eternal newtype rival, char in char's counterattack. so i think amuro would be the best ever.

[International 4-8818]

CHAR AZNABLE! all of the way. Probably the best pilot in the whole series.

[JustPlaying]

I would have to say Trowa Barton. He always keep his cool even under any Circumstance and Situation and always find's a way out of it.

[killa_454]

personally i think kiras a good pilot but in my opinion he's
a pussy crying and not wanting to kill anyone its a war what do you think your going to do. heero wont hesitate to kill you and himself to gain his objective

[Funkyduck]

well, I must admit that I havn't seen any other than Gundam Seed and screen caps of Gundam Seed: Destiny, but I'd have to say Shinn Asuka cause not only does he look cool (almost scary how much he looks like me accept my hair isn't that long) but he kicked Kira's butt and destroyed the Freedom, almost taking Kira with it (I still don't get how he survived) Now that takes skills! :laugh:

[-Shinigami-]

Jesus christ crow, can you get off of the gundam seed thing. Just because you can across this forum and constantly complain about it. You like Gundam Seed more than the other series, good for youm but stop trying to push your ways onto other people.

1. They're dummies in Gundam.
So what your saying is that ANY person who just happens to like Gundam Wing is dumb.

I can just say the same about seed, that doesn't mean it's true.

2.2. They do not even know Mobile Suit Gundam, Z-Gundam, ZZ-Gundam, Char's Counterattack, Gundam SEED, Gundam SEED Destiny. You ask them what a Gouf is, wait, they're dummies. they don't know wtf is a gouf.

MS-07B "Gouf" single pilot moble suit used by Zeon,successor to the Zaku II. Do i need to go into tech details and list all of the armamnets, propultion, ect?

3. They only know Heero as the "best" pilot around. Kira, Amuro, Char, Kamille, Shinn, Athrun, hell even Ramba Ral would play with this sucker!

Amuro and Char, i can agree with.

4. They Think Wing "Zero" is the Bomb, while Strike Freedom will disect it with pinpoint accuracy, Zeta will breeze to it like nothing, Nu-Gundam well, see the Strike Freedom Comment, and Gundam Double X would obliterate that "Gundam"

for the love of...are you trying to turn this into another debate thread, just leave peoples opinions alone. So they like Wing more than Seed, who cares.Your debate was locked, so just give it up.
I agree with you... just because someone likes Gundam Wing doesn't mean he's an idiot. I mean, look at me, I like Gundam Wing the best out of all of the Gundam series, and who gives?

[Uno_Caste]

An early reminder for those who might disagree with me.
That I only knew 3 of the choices in the list and thats Heero, Zechs and Kira.

And the best pilot out of the 3 in my opinion is Hero. I like Kira, but I see more passion and dedication in Hero as a pilot despite how it is overly portrayed.

[Uno_Caste]

And the best pilot out of the 3 in my opinion is Hero. I like Kira, but I see more passion and dedication in Hero as a pilot despite how it is overly portrayed.

Edit: Sorry for the double post!

[-Shinigami-]

Personally, my opinions are similar to those of clowtrigger.
I mean, in Gundam Wing Heero is 'skilled' you could say (or better than the other pilots at least).
But compared to other pilots such as Amuro Ray, Char, and Kira? No way.
Seriously, if you watch Seed Destiny, you can see Kira using the D.R.A.G.O.O.N. system of the Freedom to hit only specific parts of an enemy mobile suit to make the mobile suit unable to move. Do you know how hard it is to hit an enemy without killing him (especially multiple ones at the same time)?

[randy_peltier2000]

Amuro Ray he's just the best there is an ever was.

[kakashi the copy ninja]

Domon Kasshu Is the best. Persionaly i think every gundam series but G Gundam and Gundam Wing were some s***.

[KagomeAsakura]

I love Heero Yuy his the best

[Dark Fate]

I like Kira Yamato...

[yoh01]

Heero and Kira... But I like Heero better

[TeNKeN]

Are you people serious? I just got done watching the Gundam Wing series. It was decent but I have to say I was kind of disappointed. All that hype and it was one of the worst overall gundam series that I have seen.

Amuro Ray and Kira Yamato are BY FAR the best gundam pilots. It is not even close. I would have to say Kira is the best pilot though overall. He is the ultimate coordinator afterall!

Heero has absolutely no skill compared to Kira. Kira honestly would pwn him in about a minute (as he did almost everyone else!).

I guess it isn't really a fair comparison though since he is the ultimate coordinator and the gundams he piloted (Strike Freedom) are far superior to most of the other gundams out there.

[Heero-Yuy]

Are you people serious? I just got done watching the Gundam Wing series. It was decent but I have to say I was kind of disappointed. All that hype and it was one of the worst overall gundam series that I have seen.

Amuro Ray and Kira Yamato are BY FAR the best gundam pilots. It is not even close. I would have to say Kira is the best pilot though overall. He is the ultimate coordinator afterall!

Heero has absolutely no skill compared to Kira. Kira honestly would pwn him in about a minute (as he did almost everyone else!).

I guess it isn't really a fair comparison though since he is the ultimate coordinator and the gundams he piloted (Strike Freedom) are far superior to most of the other gundams out there.


Ok you are wrong. Even if Kira had the Stirke-Freedom, Heero would just kill him with the twinbuster rifle ont he wing zero custom. It doesn't matter that the Strike-Freedom has a positron shield and a nueclear core. The twinbuster rifle is alomst as powerful as G.E.N.E.S.I.S. In other words Heero would just kill Kira in one hit and my vote goes out to Heero. He will complete his mission no matter what.

[CapnJack]

Im going to have to go with Amuro Ray. I mean he started it all. He just jumped into a Gundam and it became a part of him. He mastered it like it was nothing, and time and time again, against unfair odds (like 3 doms at night) that he can pull out a victory. It was him and Char that helped to discover the hidden abilities in pilots called New-types. Their natural traits to immediately sync themselves mentally with a Gundams controls and capabilities made them the true best pilots in all the Gundam timelines and universes. I choose Amuro over Char though because of the fact is that Amuro risks his life for his friends and would even sacrifice his life saving the whole planet from complete annihilation, where as Char mostly fights for himself and his blind ambitions for domination.
(if I misinterpreted that, sorry, I did this tired and during the night, heh heh ^^;)

[TC the Swing Cat]

I have to say Trowa Barton from Gundam Wing. He is cool, collected, patient and pilots Heavyarms with awesome skill.

[Red Phantoms]

Amuro.
He is the greatest pilot for more then three wars. even as the side chara and even didnt involve

He also the one who use the fin funnel technology (not all newtype can use it)

[Sinjoda]

Kira Yamato, because when things got rough he would snap and he made all the bad guys go away. xD

[krzglue2]

I like the old man from crossbone Gundam (is his name Umon, i think i spell it right, :D). He is a newtype but unlike others he pilot a Ball, which does not have any super powerful weapons and he is not a main character of the series, but he at lease he shoot down 3 doms with a ball, and cause 3 others to crash into each other by mistaken it is a big Gundam head. (the ball's cover by a big gundam head in the front.)

may be I value pilot who dos not have some super power skills

[AishaStar]

I voted for Heero Yuy. He was quite scary when in his gundam yet he was awesome. He doesn't have a great personality but for what he was trained to do, it's okay. He doesn't need a personality to kick butt.

[Nameles84]

I voted for Kira hahaha...
Though I like Heero, but if talking about best pilot I think Kira would be one of the best since Kira is a 'Coordinator' with the SEED factor another word, he's a higher level of 'human'.

If comparing their Gundams, Strike Freedom have a higher chance to win comparing the statics and weapons.

Of course I'm not talking about who would 'kill' who first. Just a friendly of disabling each other match. Oh.. when I was reading the posting, someone mention that Heero would kill anyone 'gladly'. If you've watched Endless Waltz, Heero changed - He had joined the 'no killing' gang later in the end of Endless Waltz.

Strike Freedom (Including Meteor)
Gundanium with Ultra Strong Alloy & Phase Shift Armor (Correct me if I'm wrong. Thx.)

MMI-GAU2 Picus 76mm CIWS x 2
M100 Balaena plasma beam cannon x 2
MMI-M15 Xiphias railgun x 2
MA-M01 Lacerta beam saber x 2
MA-M20 Lupus beam rifle x 1
DRAGOON System (beam gun x 8) (Added into it when the previous Freedom was destroyed.)

Meteor
120cm high-energy beam cannon x 2
93.7cm high-energy beam cannon x 2
MA-X200 beam sword x 2
60cm Erinaceus anti-ship missile launchers

Wing Zero
Gundanium Alloy

twin buster rifle x 1
beam saber x 2
machine cannon x 2
wing vulcan x 2

The OS of Strike Freedom has also increase it's fighting capability along with features which can be automatically programed to help the pilot.
Of course Wing Zero's OS was great, it help to predict what might happen or let say it calculates the battle ahead way before it really happen.

Both OS are great at each of it's capabilities, which for me, it's hard to chose as Freedom's OS is pretty complicated, while Zero's is not to let the system trick you.

Along with the weapon comparison, Wing Zero's Buster Rifle needs time to charge and when charging, movement is minimized, unlike Strike Freedom which can auto target and fire within seconds. Along with endurance fight, Wing Zero may run out of power faster than Strike Freedom. Freedom uses Neutron Jammer while Wing Zero uses Thermonuclear Fusion Reactors (Correct me if I'm wrong. Thx.)

If comparing their emotion level, Heero have better control over his emotions than Kira. Everyone would agree with me that Kira is a very emotional character especially in the fight. And most of his defeat is cause by negative emotions.

Off Topic:
In concluding, Wing Zero's performs best during it's time (A.C.) while Strike Freedom Perform at it's best in it's time (C.E.) It's hard imagine Freedom fighting in A.C. and Zero fighting in C.E. as their time line is totally different. To say Freedom fighting in A.C., the technology in A.C. can't really fuel Freedom's maintenance and if Wing Zero goes to C.E, it's totally another different thing.

Just my view and 'short' research. ;)

[krzglue2]

Wing Zero has Zero system onboard, which can tell the pilot where the enemies attack will come from, normal people (even Duo cannot use it in good ways.) cannot handle it except Heero and Zechs, and they use them perfectly for their advantages.

Heero can handle his emotion better because he was a soldier that train for battle, his mission is to kill off his target and left, not like Kira who just accidently bump into the Strike Gundam and then from his Coordinator ability he can master the OS instantly.

Wing Zero's energy is running out faster that strike freedom, but since Heero is can go into hand-to-hand combat with the sabers in top speed. Again this all depend on the pilot's ability. One thing for sure is Heero is harder to have an emotional breakdown then Kira if something happen in the field.

[Nameles84]

Yeah I gotta agree with you :)

[shinryuzero]

Ok. Let me explain a little something about Wing ZERO's System. First for those who do not know ZERO means:

Z-oning
E-motional
R-anged
O-mitted

Now that the meaning of Zero is known to those who do not know it, on to the other description.

1. What is the ZERO System?
A: ZERO is a system is a technology for interfacing the brain of the pilot with the mobile suit's computer, it could be comparable to the Universal Century's biocomputer in the Zeta Gundam. This system would not only increase the pilot's reaction times as there are no need for traditional visual interfaces, but thanks to the advanced computations performed by the computer, the pilot can become aware of future outcomes and possible courses of action that can be taken to achieve total victory or total defeat. However, due to the bidirectional nature of the system, the system had the negative side effect of creating hallucinations for those with poor mental strength, as the mood and thinking of the pilot can create a feedback loop in the system, leading to temporary insanity.

2. What does this mean?
A: It Only means NT's (New Types) and CD's (Coordinators) wont be able to use this system. Although it is said that ZERO make sthose who are not strong enough to handle all the input insane, a NT and CD who has too much in mind due to the fact that their brains are ultra sensitive in picking up emotions and wave lenghts especially in space, that if fused with the ZERO system will creat a backlash to them since EVERY INPUT THAT YOUR BRAIN OR YOUR THINKING WILL MAKE THE SYSTEM DO BILLIONS OF CALCULATIONS THAT WILL FLOOD AN NT OR CD'S BRAINS. Just think of it like when your computer hangs because of too many input or data then cross it with a squashed fruit like a water melon. That will be the result if a NT or CD use the system.

3. So does that mean only "Especial" Kinds of people can use the ZERO System?
A: No. Contrary to popular beliefs that ZERO is a hard system, its an actual so-so system. In the series all the Wing pilots including Zechs, had a hard time controlling the system at first, until they found out that it can be tamed. The difference between Heero and the other pilots that Piloted ZERO is the fact that heero is a focused guy... Way too focused in what he is doing (and of course he hides his emotions well) that the ZERO system doesn't have any hard time Asserting data since it only has to process what Heero wants to accomplish. Not like that of NT's and CD's that their Brain's and Emotions are always open and sensitive in picking up other emotion and brain patterns of other people, that if Fused with ZERO will be interpreted as RAW data needed to be sorted out and POOF... Zechs on the other hand became focused in Heero (beating him) that he gain complete control on Epyons ZERO System as well. To make it short if you have the same Mental strenght and focus as Heero then your Perfect for ZERO, But if not your welcome to try but the end results will not be pretty.

Ok, this is something that only a very FEW and I do mean a VERY FEW people know. There is another Gundam mini series that are based on the G-Wing series. No its not G-Unit that holds ZERO System's Cousin system PX System. Its XXXG-00W0L Gundam Lucifer and XXXG-00W0S Wing Gundam Seraphim are two Gundams based on Wing Zero, but appearing solely in the semi-canon story Tiel's Impulse , published in the Ultimate Playing Book , a model kit magazine-book. At a point prior to the end of Gundam Wing, the Romefeller Foundation used the data from the Gundams and used it to develop new mass-produced mobile suits. Lucifer was a test unit based on Wing Zero, and was used to trial an improved ZERO system, Zero 2.0. Although more powerful than the original system, ZERO 2.0 forced the pilot to take certain actions, as opposed to the original ZERO 'suggesting and urging' them. Following these tests, Seraphim was designed. Its ZERO 2.5 reduced the side effects seen in ZERO 2.0, and the wing binders were moved from the back to the skirt of the mobile suit. Six Seraphims are seen as completed in Tiel's Impulse. Seraphim is piloted by Tiel Non Blue. The short story is Following the secret construction of Gundam-based mobile suits by the Romefeller Foundation, the prototype Gundam Lucifer is stolen by test pilot Karl Noembreux, who is under the influence of the ZERO 2.0 System. Following this, a group of civilians breaks into the colony where the Gundams are under construction. Their leader, Tiel Noembreux, steals one of the Seraphim Gundams, and heads out in the company of two others, in search of her brother.

Now About Gundanium Alloy:

One of the central elements of Gundam Wing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gundam_Wing)'s mobile suits (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_suits) is the use of Gundanium Alloy. What makes Gundanium so incredible is its properties: it is practically immutable, highly heat-resistant, and electrically neutral. These properties combine to produce a material that is extremely hard to damage, lending to the Gundams' atmosphere of invincibility and intimidation. Additionally, heat and beam weapons produced using Gundanium are much stronger than similar weapons made using traditional titanium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanium), thanks to its extremely high melting point allowing it to produce hotter and therefore stronger beam energy. The name is actually a misnomer, since Gundanium is not technically an alloy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alloy); it contains non-ferrous (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrous) metals and non-metallic elements. Gundanium is very rare and hard to make, since it requires the use of super-heated plasma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_%28physics%29) and nanomachines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanotechnology), and very few people know exactly how to make and refine it. Further, it is said that Gundanium can only be produced at Lagrange points (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrange_points) under zero-gravity conditions, putting a very powerful tool in the hands of the colonial rebels.
There is a common misconception that Gundanium is nigh-invincible; this has been disproven by several instances in Gundam Wing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gundam_Wing) and Endless Waltz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endless_Waltz) where the Gundams were damaged, usually by beam weapons. However, this has also lead to the supposition that Gundanium is especially strong against solid weapons, like traditional machineguns (as is the similar alloy Gundarium, from the Universal Century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Century)). This second theory may have some truth to it: according to the novelization of Gundam Wing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gundam_Wing), a physical impact roughly equal to the force of a train (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Train) travelling at 120 kilometers per hour while towing ten-plus transport cars would be enough to easily destroy Gundanium. This is also covered in the series where Heero attempts to destroy the Wing Gundam with several naval torpedoes detonated simultaneously, although no exact figures are quoted and the gundam appears undamaged afterwards.
Gundanium's name is actually an acronym; it stands for Genetic on Universal Neutrally Different Alloy. The suffix -nium was added to distinguish it from similar alloys being made on Earth. In the After Colony (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/After_Colony) Universe, the word "Gundam" is derived from this acronym (GUNDAnium Mobile suit). Despite this fact, not every mobile suit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_suit) made with Gundanium is a Gundam (examples: Vayeate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OZ-13MSX1_Vayeate), Mercurius (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OZ-13MSX2_Mercurius)). In an Easter Egg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_egg_%28virtual%29) of the Series, Gundanium is referred to as "Gundarium Theta" which would make it an eighth-generation descendant of the Lunar Titanium used on the original RX-78-2 Gundam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RX-78_Gundam#RX-78-2_Gundam) of the Universal Century.

Now I just posted this here so that people can have an insite on Wing ZERO. Now as for other issues like Power source I'll be Brief on this. Although the SeeDers (G SeeD Fans) think that Strike Freedom is all good in the Tech stuff, Between UC and CE timeline CE is way Ahead of the SeeD tech. Nuclear power cannot hold its own Againts Fussion Power, The Source of the UC power for thier MS (Besides SeeD was meant to be just another remake of UC or most Japanese Critic would say "The Gundam Rip-off"). as For GX, Again UC still has more of a say in he Technology Department. Now As for AC vs. UC in terms of technology I'll Let you Decide, But for the sake of Argument Here are The Few pointers I would Like to Focus on:

1. UC uses Fussion Reactors, it also houses a especial Nano technology (Guess this is where Nano Tech Started for the Turn-A Series) that makes it stable. This makes Fussion Reactors Safer and and Compact that Nuke Reactors or power plants used in SeeD and Fussion Reactors are not that prone to Melt down or big Blow ups like that of SeeD's Nukes or Fall victim to EMP. On the Side note, AC uses Ultra Light Compact Fussion Reactor, nuff said.

2. in AC, ZERO is a System that should have never excisted and even it's designer where afraid of it. Now tell of another Gundam series that has its creators so scared that even in the Blue print stage they already know its capabilities and agreed not to make it or even mention it.

BTW Kira's shooting is actually shooting down enemies and not killing them are due to the OS inside of his Gundam. Another Spoiler is that Kira Didn't create this OS, its all thanks to Lowe Guele of SeeD Astray. his the one who designed the System because he didn't want to kill. Kira just Copied it and added to Freedom's system. So its really not Kira's Skill taht do all that, it the Computer OS. Trowa is the Better Shooter and of Course The Great Amuro Rey and Char Aznable. Last, Kira is the Perfect Coordinator not because he is super smart or cannot be beaten. The real meaning of The "Perfect Coordinator" is actually a child resulted from what the parents want to happen in their child. This means specifically choosing their childs hair, hair color, eye shape, eye color and such.

[Nameles84]

Woo... that's a great inside. :)

Thx for the research :)

[shinryuzero]

@Nameles84

Actually that is not all. All of the 5 Gundams where copied by the Romefeller Foundation. Here is a link that will give you more insite on the other Gundams. Take note though there are better sites with more details but I find this site more easy to understand. Besides its in english :p .

Site http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/tielsimpulse

[ParaParaJMo]

1. Char Aznable
-Can pilot agile or bulky mobile suits. Plus, he's the man

2. Jedeau Ashita
-Maxed out his potential

3. Amuro Ray
-A natural

4. Camille Vidan
-Shows no remorse for jerks he kills

5. Anavel Gato
-Piloted the best Gundam ever

[Roaming East]

Gonna have to go with Amuro. Very close behind him would be Char. The reason? Throughout the series that they debuted, their preferred mobile suit never stayed the dominant design. Towards the end of the OYW, Amuros Gundam was actually outclassed by various Zeon suits chief among them being the Gelgoog which was actually a better vehicle overall. Amuro however was able to remain victorious through sheer piloting skill. Same goes for Char, this is a guy who went toe to toe with a Gundam in a suit of VAST inferiority and came out no worse for wear.

The other pilots on the list depend so heavily on the god abilities of their gundams v their enemies its astounding people consider them decent pilots at all. Just looking through the old animes, count how many times each pilots suit takes damage/hits from enemy gunfire. Had virtually any of the other pilots been in anything BUT a Gundam, they most likely wouldnt have survived very long. GW pilots this is especially true for. They managed to get tagged dozens of times in whatever battle they are in it seems. With Char and Amuro, any hit would have slagged them permanently towards the end of the series. So as far as piloting skill goes? it goes to the guys who almost never got shot.

[dEmn]

I think all of them is the Best...
but I think I'll go to Amuro Ray ^_^

[Madel5566]

I voted for Kira. I've not really watch other gundam series, so I might be a little bias. He's really strong, after gaining much experience in GSD.

[EonKid]

I would have to say Heero Yuy is the best Gundam pilot.

[Lucion]

Heero is the best. The end.

[Trisseh]

Either Domon (G Gundam) or Shinn (Gundam SEED Destiny..now On Demand =D )

[ShinnAsuka]

I vote Kira becuase he is a skilled pilot and he is GOD too.

[Nameles84]

I vote Kira becuase he is a skilled pilot and he is GOD too.

Nah... He's just the Perfect Adam in Man's History if you wanna say that... :p

[hoshino]

1. Char Aznable
-Can pilot agile or bulky mobile suits. Plus, he's the man

2. Jedeau Ashita
-Maxed out his potential

3. Amuro Ray
-A natural

4. Camille Vidan
-Shows no remorse for jerks he kills

5. Anavel Gato
-Piloted the best Gundam ever

Let's add Kou in there.
6. Kou Uraki
-He earned his acehood the hard way. Sheer guts and determination.

I like this list. In terms of pure stats, in the SRW official universe there are few, if any, pilots in the same category as Amuro, Char, and Camille, with Judeau not too far behind. Seabook and Kou would be almost in their caliber, except the former has weak Newtype ability and the latter has none. Those top three however possess the strongest manifestation of Newtype ability, Camille's to the point it drove him mad and turned him into a vegetable in the end when his unbridled emotion went out of control.

There's more to be said. Amuro actually gained maturity rather than remain a poster boy with a static trademark and predictable demeanor. He was a boy that learned to grow up in many ways to become a man, instead of simply being embittered or naively sweet towards everything (you probably know which set of characters I'm pointing to at this point). Between UC and SEED, this sort of thing didn't really happen except for within X-bone Gundam with Seabook's evolving into an almost equally epic hero. It is later on in SEED where we get redemptive moments of personal growth and maturity that actually matter to the story development, something tragically lacking in the Gundam series in between.

This is what made UC Gundam what it was, and is. Hands up if you hated the rather whiny (at first) Amuro of UC, who soon becomes a grown man of conviction, a stern and disciplined leader, and a terrifying pilot that inspires horror in his enemies and profound respect from his comrades. Every single one of those soldiers at that falling colony would have died for their beloved captain, and many did as the stress of the falling mass and the mysterious energies of the psychoframe began to consume them all. Your closest friend(s) dying for your sake is one thing, an entire legion doing it because they believe in you is another. There is no other pilot in the Gundam universe that commanded even half that much respect.

Plus, the ZERO system in G-W cannot (and was not intended to) compete with either native Newtype or Coordinator ability: it was essentially meant to mimic those traits in the same way kyouka-ningen were modified, except the former is an external device. And as we know, kyouka-ningen are all mentally unstable (Four, Rosamie, etc.) as an effect of these mental/psychic amplifications. Being able to see into the future for a little bit and possessing reaction time faster than either carbon-based tissue or silicon circuits can provide tends to do that sort of thing to living things.

In a way it's exactly like a lesser version of the psychoframe developed by Amuro for the Nu. Above, shinryuzero mentioned the hazards of such a system operated by someone with Newtype (or similar) abilities, which include nendoryoku (Ryuusei Date, Aya, Rai, etc.). While it was never explicitly mentioned, one can only imagine the apprehensions of the creators. A Federation hungry for more power would can only think of harnessing this new technology however, and why the psychoframe eventually came into test implementation on the Nu. Not surprisingly, one of the test subjects went haywire as a result of the psychosystem feedback, resulting in Amuro formally and insistingly requesting for the psychoframe system to be massively toned down. Otherwise, he was the only one mentally stable enough to actually be able to handle it.

[hoshino]

....their preferred mobile suit never stayed the dominant design. Towards the end of the OYW, Amuros Gundam was actually outclassed by various Zeon suits chief among them being the Gelgoog which was actually a better vehicle overall. Amuro however was able to remain victorious through sheer piloting skill. Same goes for Char, this is a guy who went toe to toe with a Gundam in a suit of VAST inferiority and came out no worse for wear.


Very much the case. In both it was the product of two key qualities: pure skill and sheer resolution. It is interesting to note that in the beginning, it was Char in a Zaku against a massively superior RX-78-2 with a rookie Amuro, and towards the end it was an epically heroic Amuro still in the same RX-78 going up against Char in a staggeringly powerful ZEONG. It's the pilots that make the machine, not the other way around, unless one is willing to make the concession that the pilots were indeed inferior.


The other pilots on the list depend so heavily on the god abilities of their gundams v their enemies its astounding people consider them decent pilots at all .... Had virtually any of the other pilots been in anything BUT a Gundam, they most likely wouldnt have survived very long. GW pilots this is especially true for. They managed to get tagged dozens of times in whatever battle they are in it seems. With Char and Amuro, any hit would have slagged them permanently towards the end of the series. So as far as piloting skill goes? it goes to the guys who almost never got shot.

By the time of Char and Amuro's true final confrontation there were already some pivotal developments in MS design based on advances in Minovsky physics. And yet, while those advances make average soliders godly, they still bow to the presence and skill that these two pilots possess. Sadly, they were the last of their kind, as all the Newtypes that came after continued to degrade in that ability. This was intentional, I think, as the writers were stressing the humanity of the pilots, and why we have the rise of aces like Kou and Shiro --- the triumph of the common man, sans powers and/or superb MS, was always an underlying current in UC Gundam, and very important.

Even then, Amuro and Char never relied on the abilities of their suits as much as their own. These two carved their legends with their own hands, not on someONE or someTHING else's credentials. Their Newtype status was but a mere bonus.

[shinryuzero]

Plus, the ZERO system in G-W cannot (and was not intended to) compete with either native Newtype or Coordinator ability: it was essentially meant to mimic those traits in the same way kyouka-ningen were modified, except the former is an external device. And as we know, kyouka-ningen are all mentally unstable (Four, Rosamie, etc.) as an effect of these mental/psychic amplifications. Being able to see into the future for a little bit and possessing reaction time faster than either carbon-based tissue or silicon circuits can provide tends to do that sort of thing to living things.

Actually what was said above the words I quoted from hoshino's post is the closest I've seen other people know about the ZERO System. The problem is other people tend to misunderstood ZERO Systems true purpose and attributes and it's good to know that people like hoshino actualy do some research. But there is a bit of a loop hole on the statement above that I wish to correct. ZERO System actually doesn't amplify the pilots own ability rather it brings it out and lets it flourish in a fast rate that it's final goal is to actually let the pilot go beyond what he or she can do. In other words go to his or her limitations.

Many people don't know this coz alot of people dont know about G-Wing's PX System, ZERO System 2.0 and ZERO System 2.5. Now what am I babbling about? This three other system that I mentioned are intentionaly created to mimic or counter act ZERO System Omega (The ZERO system in Wing ZERO, ZERO System Alpha is a code some people use to differentiate Epyon's ZERO System). PX System is what really makes the pilot "Super Pilots". Basically enhancing everything humanly possible like Reaction time susseption againts G-Forces etch. This is done by actually letting your Body produce Uber amounts of Adrenaline. As we all know Adrenaline makes a Human do impossible or "Super Human" things. The Downside of this is like in any adrenaline rush, the after math is complete exhaustion... in the case of PX System... DEATH. Hence PX System can only be used for a maximum of 5 minutes.

ZERO 2.0 is not like ZERO of Wing. Although both of them have the same ability ZERO 2.0 doesn't make it's pilots every though as an ENEMY, rather it siffs the thoughts that are relevant in the battle and process the neccessary action in order to achieve victory based on it's pilots own abilities and capabilities, the greatest difference from ZERO 2.0 and ZERO of Wing is that ZERO 2.0 actually forces its pilot to do what it suggested not like the original ZERO System who just urges it's pilot to do the action that may fit the situation. ZERO 2.5 is the most friendlier ZERO System coz it actually calculates the risk factor and important things in the pilots mind. Like ZERO 2.0 it also siffs the only neccessary info's needed for the situation but it doesn't forces its pilot to do the action but like the first ZERO System urges them but with little casualty to its pilot as possible.

So if we compare it the Original ZERO System is the sum total of all the systems ever though in the Gundam universe (Well almost all) compressed to one system with a more power behind it. So when people say's ZERO controls Heero or Heero is only Good because of the System they are all practically WRONG. Like Amuro, Heero is already a Good Pilot to begin with and Like Amuro both of them was given the Ability to actually master their respective systems.

Another thing, Anyone can Pilot Wing ZERO (With the exception o NT's and CooR's of Course). But they will not be as Good as Heero because of the difference of abilities, Besides Heero is a Kai. Not even sure if the guy is even human anymore :laugh: .

[patgarci]

Zechs is awesome because he has this sense of honor and has skills that can match any gundam pilot in any series

[Haine Rammsteiner]

Heero Yuy xP
- Cute
- Smart
- Talented. Three reasons why.

[maximillian_cross]

I'll have to say Char Aznable is the greatest pilot cause he can pilot the Rafflesia with ease. Second will be Kira Yamato in the GS/GSD Series cause he's the Ultimate Coordinator and then there's Zechs in Gundam Wing.

[tefa_cagalli]

to me is Athrun Zala i love that guy

[Nameles84]

to me is Athrun Zala i love that guy

lol... is it because you're 'using' cagalli? :x

[allpink]

I love Athrun Zala!!!!! :p but as pilot.. I prefer Kira than Athrun.. :laugh:

[shinryuzero]

Ah... Athrun Zala... BTW people don't forget Uso Ewin of V Gundam for a 13 yr. old his quite good.

[Shinigami Ichigo]

I voted Amuro because no matter how good your reflexes, nothing beats being able to see the future. Plus, did you see how easily he defeated his "rival" in Char's Counterattack? However, I think that Judau Ashta from ZZ could give him a run for his money, if he had been in constant combat like Amuro.

However, that is just going strictly for pilots. If you mean characters who do battle in Gundams, then Domon Kasshu would kick the crud out of ALL the other characters on this list, because, simply, he moves too ridiculously fast to counter, and has a wide array of powerful energy moves.

[Jdmk]

Best pilots of all times are Amuro, Char, Camile, Heero, Athrun, Kira, and Shinn, thats my opinion of curse...

[gundamforreal]

The Best Should Be Zechs Because Among The Others, He's One Of The Very Few Without Special Training (Till You Lose Your Emotions Like Heero) Or Modified Genes...

[Reonic Flux]

The best pilots for me are Kira Yamato, Shinn Asuka, and Athrun Zala.
Kira and Athrun because their mobile suits support each other. As for Shinn, I still don't know.

[dangaioh red]

i like wing gundam zero piolt is heero yuy

[jcx250]

Kira!! Because he's the ultimate coordinator...

[Reonic Flux]

You're right. He was the one who dealt the finishing blow to the Destroy Gundam, eventually killing Stellar in the process...

[jax500]

I prefer Kira 'cause he's the Ultimate Coordinator and he piloted the stolen Strike Freedom and its two predecessors, EA's Strike and the stolen Freedom.

[Chuck the Ninja]

The Polit of Heavy Arms,Deathscytle,Sandrock,And Naraku,And duh Heero ..............And my Fav gundam Wing gundam custom.

[Reonic Flux]

Oh, yeah. Shinn Asuka wasn't the best pilot, but he was a good one.:)

[GSD]

My favourtite pilot would be Kira Yamato since im a big fan of GS/GSD becasue he is intelligience, best looking boy in GS/GSD :p

[canta per me]

My favorite is definitely Heero. He was bred for battle and even named after a great man. His skill is not easily surpassed and I love his character. He lives his life by his emotions but doesn't show them.

[hokiboshi]

I prefer Kira 'cause he's the Ultimate Coordinator and he piloted the stolen Strike Freedom and its two predecessors, EA's Strike and the stolen Freedom.

technically the freedom was given to Kira by Lacus Clyne but since Lacus isnt a member of the army, well on the ZAFT's side, it may be in fact "stolen"

back to the topic, my list of who are the best pilots based on their overall piloting skills are...

-Kira Yamato: setting aside that he's the "ultimate coordinator" his overall piloting abilities are exellent and his attitude as to who to kill (as many know, Kira only aims at the weapons or the main camera of a mobile suit to make sure that its pilot doesnt die) makes his skills totally exceptional

-Zechs Marquis: one of the few pilots without special modifications or abilities, his skills coupled with his tallgeese make his title of "lightning Count" more ovious

-Mu la Flaga: another pure bred pilot, he only learned MS piloting from a sparring session with the freedom using the strike and instantly became a pilot with the caliber comparable to that of the best from the coordinators' ranks

-Duo Maxwell: his skills some would say is pretty average, but like one guy said, luck is a part of skill, and his luck is one that borders on the insane (his luck protects him from the most deadly situations) but when it comes to his skill, i'd say he is comparable to that of Heero

[jxtanimel]

For me, Kira's the best pilot because... I don't really know why. I just prefer Kira over the rest. And of course Shinn Asuka.:)

[raziel]

Heero is. he not like the other ploits. 2 is amuro rey or like 2 call him mr ray. G Gundam sux

[X-Wind]

Domon Kasshu cause he's the freakin King of Hearts XD
But seriously Kira Yamato and some of the other guys in SEED pwns cause of their SEED Mode <.<

[blackrosetwilight]

according to B Gundam thread it would seem kira would be the best since his brain is like a zero system

[Gaarademon]

all of em' because it one of my old school favorite shows

[B Gundam]

according to B Gundam thread it would seem kira would be the best since his brain is like a zero system
Actually according to mead it would be Amuro.

-Zechs Marquis: one of the few pilots without special modifications or abilities, his skills coupled with his tallgeese make his title of "lightning Count" more ovious
But he feels obligued to press his beam sabre into other people's for about 10-20 seconds and babble a whole lot of nonsense about warrior's fate and war. Gato is the more badass unmodified pilot. As for W characters, Treize, Valder and both Barnett brothers would win over Zechs (though treize is questionable, but he has a lot of skill). And probably even Roche. Zechs held his own against gundams in Tallgeese? Well Roche did it in a Leo.

-Mu la Flaga: another pure bred pilot, he only learned MS piloting from a sparring session with the freedom using the strike and instantly became a pilot with the caliber comparable to that of the best from the coordinators' ranks
Fighter to MS isn't that great, Lydo Wolf was a fighter pilot of the UC and got transferred to MS due to a pilot shortage, he instantly adapted too and became an ace despite lack of any special traits like spatial awareness.

[blackrosetwilight]

Actually according to mead it would be Amuro.


But he feels obligued to press his beam sabre into other people's for about 10-20 seconds and babble a whole lot of nonsense about warrior's fate and war. Gato is the more badass unmodified pilot. As for W characters, Treize, Valder and both Barnett brothers would win over Zechs (though treize is questionable, but he has a lot of skill). And probably even Roche. Zechs held his own against gundams in Tallgeese? Well Roche did it in a Leo.


Fighter to MS isn't that great, Lydo Wolf was a fighter pilot of the UC and got transferred to MS due to a pilot shortage, he instantly adapted too and became an ace despite lack of any special traits like spatial awareness.
my bad must of skipped amuro's bio or fact thingy since it was late but you're right LOL:D

[datajack]

Zechs, I think, he is just that kind of "somewhat classical" guy who has a great vision. Even if it is crashing a colony, or battleship into earth.

[B Gundam]

Char is Zechs, + better in every aspect. Zechs visions are a ripoff of Chars.

Zechs and his retarded babbling about world united under OZ = Peace

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/1285/charvszechsgh5.jpg

Quattro counters the argument and points out Zech's foolish and Naive ways, also noting that a *certain* person has been on that road before some time ago.

Zechs lacks the wits to keep up and phails the argument as Quattro (who is Char Aznable after all) has a clearer vision of ideals.

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/730/charvszechs1pj6.jpg

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/7300/charvszechs2pl8.jpg

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/7289/charvszechs3gi3.jpg

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/1373/charvszechs4xy9.jpg

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/6047/charvszechs5mn2.jpg

If Quattro attacks Zechs, a small event occures, because apparently Quattro is kinda pissed at Zechs. Probably because of that mask, which was the trademark of a *certain* person some time ago XD

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/492/charvszechs6ci3.jpg

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/599/charvszechs7fm5.jpg

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/6200/charvszechs8hu4.jpg

Don't worry, Zechs did not die.

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/8480/charvszechs10ee6.jpg

[datajack]

Thats interesting, iv never seen a gundam with char, there are far to many gundam series to buy them all. iv seen char talked about allot, however i don't know which series he is in, care to elaborate? i mean, if he is a better pilot then zechs, its definetly worth my time to learn about. I would hate to give zechs the credit that char deserves.

PS. Thats an interesting game, what is it? TITLE/PLATFORM. Looks snes

[B Gundam]

Char appears for the first time as the original villain of the 1st Mobile Suit Gundam, the most notable trademark is his mask (he is the original "Rival with Mask" character.

Char appears in:

-Mobile Suit Gundam (the 1st and original) as distinguished and original "masked rival".
-Z Gundam under the covert name Quattro Bajeena, he's among the good guys this time.
-Mobile Suit Gundam: Char's Counterattack, yes Char has a whole series named after him. In here he makes the ultimate judgement and criticism on mankind and takes radical measures in order to save it, making him the villain again.

His other major appearances in manga and novels include (there are more but many are non-canonical or very trivial and unknown):

-Char's Deleted Affair: Portrait of a young Comet, describing his past.
-Mobile Suit Gundam: The Origin, focussed on the original Gundam by Yoshikazu.
-Mobile Suit Gundam: Beltorchika's Children, an alternate story to Char's Counterattack with an alternate ending.

Char is the ultimate archetype of any awesome rival/villain in and outside of Gundam. Within Gundam, we see the tradition of his masked appearance follow down, outside we see the typical "Red Rival" based on him. Char blond and is nicknamed the "Red Comet" because he often uses a Red Colored tuned MS, being a little excentric on that and he is a major rival, even alternate main character. Lets see his influence:

-Ken Masters (Street Fighter): Blond, wears red, rival character to Ryu
-Zero (Megaman Zero): Blond, wears red, rival character to Megaman or X
-Eikichi Onizuka of GTO has a Char's Custom Gelgoog Modelkit which he cares very much about.
-Nintendo frequently brings out "Char's Custom" edition consoles, all of them being red. For example, the red Char's Custom Gamecube or the red Char's Custom Gameboy Advance SP.

Another fact about Char is, that in japan, he is by far the most popular male anime/manga character, even during periods where the mainstream flows elsewhere he will regularly appear in the top charts. In 2005 when Gundam SEED was all new and shining, the poll of "most awesome Gundam character" in japanese magazines had Kira only in 2nd place, Char being 1st with MORE THAN TWICE as much votes.

i mean, if he is a better pilot then zechs, its definetly worth my time to learn about. I would hate to give zechs the credit that char deserves.
Zech's character is completely based on Char, if not ripping him off.

Char has the orignal identity of Casval Rem Deikun, the true heir of Zeon.
Zechs is actually Milliardo, the true heir of the Sanc Kingdom.
Char entered Zeon under the name Char Aznable, wearing a mask.
Zechs does the same when he joins OZ.
Char's distinguished skills earns him the nickname "Red Comet".
Zechs is nicked "Lightning Count" for his skill.

And this is just the proverbial tip of the iceberg. Even leaving all this aside, anyone who's unbiased and with commons sense will know Char is also the better pilot. The quote "I will show you the superior Mobile Suit will meet its limit against the superior pilot!" is from Char and his combat style is distinguished, everyone knows his signature move inofficially named the "Char's Kick" which often turns the tide of a battle, disarming his opponent or delivering an unexpected blow (Zechs has no real signature move). In Gundam Musou, Char uses the kick on Heero in Wing Gundam, holding his own against him (and landing the only clean hit of the cutscene battle with that kick) while piloting nothing more than his Zaku.

PS. Thats an interesting game, what is it? TITLE/PLATFORM. Looks snes
Super Robot Taisen Alpha for PSX. SRW titles are crossovers of mecha Anime, one of the few places where an EVA can meet a Gundam for example lol. Other notable crossovers involving Gundam are SD Gundam G Generation titles, Gundam Battle Assault titles, Gundam Musou and the rather less known Sunrise Eiyuu Tan. The footage from the screenshot is from a level called "The Shooting Star She Saw", an introduction level for Gundam W with Zechs and Heero, Amuro the 1st Gundam pilot also appears in his original Gundam (and you can easily shoot Heero down with him because despite being 4 levels lower and in a rather cheap unit, his pilot ability majorly top Heero's in most games. Heero being shot down is obligated because he turns on you once the OZ goons are defeated, and Wing Gundam has to get destroyed in some way for him to meet Relena)

[ReccaReichiri16]

Kira Yamato....

[B Gundam]

...is evidently weaker than Amuro.

[hiddenwater]

i have not seen all the series but i think Dudo cause hes the pilot of my favirite gundam Deathsythe

[Makoto-Sama]

i reallly don't know which one it is but i like the pilot of the burning gundam and the death like one with the sythe

[B Gundam]

Domon and Duo.

[Hanzo_DarkIce]

Burning finger!!!!!lol Domon Kasshu kicks gundams main leg joints lol

[ChibiSasukex]

Tohou Fuuhai Master Asia any one else like him?

[B Gundam]

Master is the strongest "normal human" pilot out there if you consider him one (since the mobile trace system makes things different). Domon did defeat him but that was more or less plot forced.

Master is awesome in his own way because he's not another one of those bishounens that get mass produced. And just look at those overdone moves! He can frickin rotate his body while the head remains still XD

[sanzoku.]

Heero definately.

[danime4]

oh yes! Heero Yuy is definitely the best because he can take any mission and risk his life AND always succeed!

[B Gundam]

Name me a main character who does not fit into the description "risks life for a mission and succeeds" <_<

[sanzoku.]

@B Gundam, xD, sad but true.

I just think heero is the coolest. That was the first gundam series I ever saw and still to this day think he r00ls!

[Eragon51592]

Duo Maxwell. 2nd would be Domon.

GUNDAM Wing was the first Anime I've ever watched, and even now that I've seen plenty of other GUNDAM series, it's still my favorite.

DeathScythe Hell Custom ROCKS!!! ^_^

I really really like the command system in G GUNDAM, though.

Wing 0 Custom is alright, but there are definately better GUNDAMs.

[emukidz]

Amuro is the best in my mind

[meyrinia]

kira yamato is the best pilot

[cagathrun]

for me, athrun is the best pilot. Thats why my username is cagathrun. . . .

[B Gundam]

Athrun got like... beaten by Kira multiple times throughout SEED and humiliated by Amuro in a crossover...

[cute_wong]

Kira Yamato is the best....he took down other mobile suits without blew them...because he doesn't want to kill the others. Of course it needs a perfect ability to pilot it.

[B Gundam]

Cheating (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YyaViZAdtE)

Aimbot hack is considered as skill? XD

[Jehuty183]

Duo Maxwell is my top fav my 2nd is Zechs Merquise

[Arcxcia]

Athrun is the best. Hohoho... he can control his seed easily!

[mcfly rule]

heero is well better than kira

[B Gundam]

Heero would be below any of the Extended in terms of training, but is very well better due to being the main protagonist. Still, he isn't anywhere near the top league in global comparison and one of the worst gundam main pilots there is.

[Amuro112]

im actually surprised amuro is losing and heero is leading.

[Arcxcia]

heero is well better than kira

Yup I agree. Heero is better. But Kira is ok... Well, not bad... :p

[B Gundam]

im actually surprised amuro is losing and heero is leading.
Thats because of the high amount of irrational W fans who never touched the UC and think themselves oldschool because they compare to SEED and 00.

[Ikaruga]

Thats because of the high amount of irrational W fans who never touched the UC and think themselves oldschool because they compare to SEED and 00.

You're right there B Gundam... Kira Jesus Yamato uses his Aimbot hack to help him target other enemies.

Also, since he's a coordinator, all he has is heightened sense, but that's nothing near the level Newtypes are at. I don't remember seeing Kira in SEED shooting any of the DRAGOONS (is that right?) that "Char lookalike" used. Hell he could've saved his own girl...

But I didn't vote for Amuro, no. I voted for the great Red Comet Char! Not only is he 3 times faster, he get's all the loli characters too...

[Aizmov]

im actually surprised amuro is losing and heero is leading.

Heero has nothing on Amuro, Camille or Judau, let a lone having Heero even coming close to Char :cool:

[Ikaruga]

Heero has nothing on Amuro, Camille or Judau, let a lone having Heero even coming close to Char :cool:

Hmmm well Heero attracted a loli and got her killed just like that. Char is always getting lolis attracted to him and getting killed off..

But then I'm not sure about Minerva Zabi getting killed....

[Amuro112]

Amuro > Char :D
even thou char is a very intresting character
but Amuro is just Gar.

[Ikaruga]

Amuro > Char :D
even thou char is a very intresting character
but Amuro is just Gar.

Amuro112, do you know what GAR means?

If anything, Amuro doesn't have much GARat all.. The guys you should be looking at for GAR are Domon Kasshu and Master Asia.

"Look! The East is burning red!"

[Amuro112]

Amuro112, do you know what GAR means?

If anything, Amuro doesn't have much GARat all.. The guys you should be looking at for GAR are Domon Kasshu and Master Asia.

"Look! The East is burning red!"

yea i do no.
he wansnt gar until maybe Char counterattack
he took on 3 Rick Doms in 0079 he dodge the bazooka from 1 rickdom, jumps on 1 lands on its shoulder then jumps again toward the other rickdom with the lightsaber pointing at the cockpit at the Dom. that scene was just.......i dont no how to explain it in words really.

Killing aces: he either directly kills or is indirectly responsible for the death of Ramba Ral, Lalah, the black tri stars, Garma Zabi, Dozel Zabi, Chalia Bull and Mqueve. Thats a large portion of Zeons experienced aces, leadership, and newtypes.

in zeta amuro crashed a plane into a mobile suit named ashibaga or something
then char counter attack he soloed axis.
i kinda agree with you hes not on the level of GARCHER yet by a LONG LONG LONG WAY
but the ACTIONS are there..maybe he lacks the attitude of him being a true gar
he is still have a bit of Gar no matter how or which way you see it.

[Ikaruga]

yea i do no.
he wansnt gar until maybe Char counterattack
he took on 3 Rick Doms in 0079 he dodge the bazooka from 1 rickdom, jumps on 1 lands on its shoulder then jumps again toward the other rickdom with the lightsaber pointing at the cockpit at the Dom. that scene was just.......i dont no how to explain it in words really.

Killing aces: he either directly kills or is indirectly responsible for the death of Ramba Ral, Lalah, the black tri stars, Garma Zabi, Dozel Zabi, Chalia Bull and Mqueve. Thats a large portion of Zeons experienced aces, leadership, and newtypes.

in zeta amuro crashed a plane into a mobile suit named ashibaga or something
then char counter attack he soloed axis.
i kinda agree with you hes not on the level of GARCHER yet by a LONG LONG LONG WAY
but the ACTIONS are there..maybe he lacks the attitude of him being a true gar
he is still have a bit of Gar no matter how or which way you see it.

True, taking out 12 Rick Doms in less than 3 minutes (TV series) is an awesome feat (no aimbot here). Also taking out each Bit on it's own is an impressive task, something the other Gundam pilot's might not be able to do.

[B Gundam]

he took on 3 Rick Doms in 0079 he dodge the bazooka from 1 rickdom, jumps on 1 lands on its shoulder then jumps again toward the other rickdom with the lightsaber pointing at the cockpit at the Dom. that scene was just.......i dont no how to explain it in words really.
Thats because you do not explain the Jet Stream Attack in words. In fact, it is one of the most often referenced scene in Anime History, even Squaresoft's Final Fantasy pays its tribute to the Dom trio!


Look here to be enlightened (http://www.animeforum.com/showthread.php?t=67516)

[Snarf103]

heero , because he's just simply the best.

[Ikaruga]

heero , because he's just simply the best.

Lol, on what basis? Could you please explain?

Sure he's the indestructable man who loves wearing spandex shots with super plot armour, but what else is there?